The Gun Club is pretty quiet

[Perry73779]

Come on guys and gals. I know there are more topics for this section.

Before the crash, we had a pretty good amount of gun talk. I had info on getting discounts on Glocks and people were asking questions. Now, it just seems dead.

I will post up more stuff here if people want it, ie Glock deals, other gun deals, ammo, good and bad shops, why Eastman gun shows suck, etc. Just let me know there is still interest here.

[Mortalis5509]

Got any free ammo deals?

[Perry73779]

Got any free ammo deals?

Here are some FREE, ammo deals. I will not charge you a penny for telling you of this deal:

.223
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=UIB3UCKNFY1EVLAQBBISCN3MCAEFEI WE?id=0076323217275a&navCount=2&podId=0076323&parentId=cat140009&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat21404-cat21420-cat140009_TGP&catalogCode=9IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat140009&hasJS=true&_requestid=79616

7.62x39
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0075447217275a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntt=7.62x39&Ntk=Products&sort=all&Go.y=0&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1&Go.x=0

[Back Marker]

glocks are butt ugly... go walthers...

-a|ex

[Gamecock]

glocks are butt ugly... go walthers...

-a|ex

But my Glock goes BOOM everytime......1300 rounds and just keeps wanting to be fed. My Walther P22 (really a S&W) jams all the time depending on ammo brand

[Back Marker]

But my Glock goes BOOM everytime......1300 rounds and just keeps wanting to be fed. My Walther P22 (really a S&W) jams all the time depending on ammo brand

i find that federal value packs from walmart works great on my p22. over 5k rounds with maybe 3 failure to fires and 1 failure to eject. i used cci standard velocity to break it in (500 rounds). my p22 was manufactured in 2009.

btw, i screwed up the factory laser. i forgot to remove it when using break-free... the mounting tab melted and now it's stuck. bummer.

-a|ex

[wbeck257]

But my Glock goes BOOM everytime......1300 rounds and just keeps wanting to be fed. My Walther P22 (really a S&W) jams all the time depending on ammo brand

its dirty ass rimfire, what do you expect?

[Seca]

BTW - Call Sonny and tell him to sign SB308 & SB291

[The Lazy Destroyer]

I got my first gun pretty recently :)
But I don't have anything worthwhile to say I guess :lol:

[Perry73779]

glocks are butt ugly... go walthers...

-a|ex

I have a Walther P99. Love it. But I'll be picking up a G34 on Monday.

[Perry73779]

But my Glock goes BOOM everytime......1300 rounds and just keeps wanting to be fed. My Walther P22 (really a S&W) jams all the time depending on ammo brand

The P22 isnt even really a Walther or Smith. It was designed by a third party. Almost any 22 will have problems with ammo. It is a plinker gun, not meant for self defense.

[Billy]

I got my KAC SR-15 in last week :) . Waiting for my glass to arrive so i can mount it.

[Solace]

I recently sporterized a Mosin Nagant M91, and just mean sporterized, not Bubbafied. Just a synthetic stock and a Mojo micro click iron sight pair. I wanted a 300 yard destroy-anything-it-hits gun for almost no money and I got it. I nicknamed it Remo, after Remo Williams.

[Hughduffel]

I recently sporterized a Mosin Nagant M91, and just mean sporterized, not Bubbafied. Just a synthetic stock and a Mojo micro click iron sight pair. I wanted a 300 yard destroy-anything-it-hits gun for almost no money and I got it. I nicknamed it Remo, after Remo Williams.

I never get why people get so upset about sporterizing mosins. I did the same thing, synthetic stock and threw away the wood furniture. Seriously, if I find I want an authentic mosin I'll just go buy another one for $100. I really just wanted a super-cheap rifle that calls the thunder.

[Barton72]

I recently sporterized a Mosin Nagant M91, and just mean sporterized, not Bubbafied. Just a synthetic stock and a Mojo micro click iron sight pair. I wanted a 300 yard destroy-anything-it-hits gun for almost no money and I got it. I nicknamed it Remo, after Remo Williams.
Got some 7.62x54r I will sell you if that's what it shoots.

[Hughduffel]

Got some 7.62x54r I will sell you if that's what it shoots.

what have you got?

[Barton72]

what have you got?
100 Rds of 7.62x54r headstamped 671 and 54.6. 671 is Peoples Republic of China and 54.6 is June of 1954.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/Barton72/Bullets010.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/Barton72/Bullets012.jpg

[Barton72]

671 shows up here....

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmoID04.htm

[Mortalis5509]

Here are some FREE, ammo deals. I will not charge you a penny for telling you of this deal:

.223
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=UIB3UCKNFY1EVLAQBBISCN3MCAEFEI WE?id=0076323217275a&navCount=2&podId=0076323&parentId=cat140009&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat21404-cat21420-cat140009_TGP&catalogCode=9IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat140009&hasJS=true&_requestid=79616

7.62x39
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0075447217275a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntt=7.62x39&Ntk=Products&sort=all&Go.y=0&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1&Go.x=0

Don't have those calibers yet:-(

[chance]

didnt realize there was a gun club sub-forum. will have to troll this site more often.

Looking to get a carry weapon in december. Opinions on carrying a compact 1911? Could possibly scrounge up the cash for a kimber, but it will most likely be a RIA compact or maybe even a Citadel. I saw one at Nicks guns and it seemed to be made with decent quality. I love the way 1911's feel, (havent shot one yet) and i love the way the single action trigger feels, so thats why i want one. But they might be kind of heavy

[Wheedle]

I got my first gun pretty recently :)
But I don't have anything worthwhile to say I guess :lol:

What did you get? We should get together and go shootin!

[Solace]

100 Rds of 7.62x54r headstamped 671 and 54.6. 671 is Peoples Republic of China and 54.6 is June of 1954.

Good for fun, but not legal to hunt with in GA.

[Lazarus]

I got my first gun pretty recently :)
But I don't have anything worthwhile to say I guess :lol:

You could tell us what kind it is and post pics.

[Lazarus]

I recently sporterized a Mosin Nagant M91, and just mean sporterized, not Bubbafied. Just a synthetic stock and a Mojo micro click iron sight pair. I wanted a 300 yard destroy-anything-it-hits gun for almost no money and I got it. I nicknamed it Remo, after Remo Williams.

http://pcmtl.com/public/misc/this_thread_is_useless_without_pics.gif

[The Lazy Destroyer]

What did you get? We should get together and go shootin!


You could tell us what kind it is and post pics.

Got a Ruger 22/45 MKIII from Jeff not too long ago (http://www.georgiasportbike.com/showthread.php?1438-FS-Ruger-Model-0193-22-45-and-accessories&highlight=ruger).

Been to the range once with it so far. It is far more accurate than I can be at the moment.

Here are the pics from the for sale thread:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/martin_j001/IMG00074-20100412-2056.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/martin_j001/IMG00073-20100412-2055.jpg

[Lazarus]

Sweet. Heard good things about those Ruger .22s. Funny thing is earlier this morning I got an email saying .22 was on sale. I'm happy to see you can still get a box of 50 rounds for $2.29 for Thunderbolt, althought I think it used to be close to 1.50 or so but still. You can shoot all day for like 20. LOL! I might have to get a couple more 22s.

[Solace]

Good for fun, but not legal to hunt with in GA.

Damn, quote replying to my own post. My hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Too clarify the quoted text, that's not because of caliber, but because it's FMJ. GA law requires expanding bullets for hunting. Oh and I'll get pictures of Remo to put up this weekend.

[The Lazy Destroyer]

Sweet. Heard good things about those Ruger .22s. Funny thing is earlier this morning I got an email saying .22 was on sale. I'm happy to see you can still get a box of 50 rounds for $2.29 for Thunderbolt, althought I think it used to be close to 1.50 or so but still. You can shoot all day for like 20. LOL! I might have to get a couple more 22s.

It's a good gun so far. Tried a few different ammo brands while I was there. I did get a fail to fire out of a thunderbolt though, and that ammo was more "dirtier" than the other ammo I was using, if that makes sense. My hands were pretty gross after a few mags. But everything else shot pretty clean and smooth with no issues. Probably put 200+ rounds maybe. All the ammo I tried was accurate though.

22 stuff is so cheap compared to the other rounds I've been seeing so I might splurge a little on ammo since it's still pretty affordable. Seems everyone likes the CCI stuff.

[Lazarus]

Yea I'm not surprised with the Thunderbolt jamming. Yea I like CCI for 22 and 9mm. My Savage rifle doesn't care for the bulk Federal in the blue box.

[Seca]

didnt realize there was a gun club sub-forum. will have to troll this site more often.

Looking to get a carry weapon in december. Opinions on carrying a compact 1911? Could possibly scrounge up the cash for a kimber, but it will most likely be a RIA compact or maybe even a Citadel. I saw one at Nicks guns and it seemed to be made with decent quality. I love the way 1911's feel, (havent shot one yet) and i love the way the single action trigger feels, so thats why i want one. But they might be kind of heavy





I have been kicking around getting a compact 1911 also. Either Kimber or S&W. I have a full size S&W1911 and love it. Not to heavy witha good gun belt. I carry mine a lot.

[Lazarus]

I love Kimbers. My next 1911 will be a Kimber as well. I love the look of the small 1911s but I have never shot one. I dont know what they feel like. If I had the money I'd probably get a 1911 in 9mm for carry.

[KTM Rider]

I am thinking about a FN SCAR 5.56 in the next 2-4 weeks. Gonna trick it out a little to go play with my brother and his AR:up:

[Solace]

I am thinking about a FN SCAR 5.56 in the next 2-4 weeks. Gonna trick it out a little to go play with my brother and his AR:up:

That's some serious coin, Frank. Course it's a serious gun!

[Barton72]

I have been kicking around getting a compact 1911 also. Either Kimber or S&W. I have a full size S&W1911 and love it. Not to heavy witha good gun belt. I carry mine a lot.
What happened to this foo......

http://guns.wicked96ss.com/kimber_eclipse/thumbs_d/mi_eclipse_3-3_jpg.jpg

This will be my next handgun....

http://www.frontiergunsandammo.com/catalog/images/tactical_ultra_II.jpg
http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/tactical/tactical_ultra_II.jpg

[wbeck257]

kimber's are too pretty to be a 1911...

[Seca]

What happened to this foo......

http://guns.wicked96ss.com/kimber_eclipse/thumbs_d/mi_eclipse_3-3_jpg.jpg

This will be my next handgun....

http://www.frontiergunsandammo.com/catalog/images/tactical_ultra_II.jpg
http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/tactical/tactical_ultra_II

You already have a compact carry gun. Why not go with the full size next?

[Barton72]

You already have a compact carry gun. Why not go with the full size next?
Don't know. I've wanted that exact Kimber for a while. I've got a compact 40. Now I need a compact 45. LOL! Then a compact 50 cal so I can have a bigger compact than you know who!!!

[Back Marker]

I am thinking about a FN SCAR 5.56 in the next 2-4 weeks. Gonna trick it out a little to go play with my brother and his AR:up:

lemme know if you get one. my next purchase is either gona be a scar or magpul moe m&p15. i am trying to justify the high price of that scar. if i do get the m&p15, i'll put a spike's dedicated 22 upper on it.

http://www.gundealeronline.com/v/vspfiles/photos/811021-2.jpg


http://www.issc-austria.com/images/gun3.png
This scar clone in 22lr wouldn't be a bad toy to plink with:
MK 22 (http://www.issc-austria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=4)

-a|ex

[KTM Rider]

That's some serious coin, Frank. Course it's a serious gun!

You only live once. Plus once AW type guns are banned it will only go up in value. Have you looked at the price of a pre '86 full auto M-16/AR recently? ~$18,000.00 :eek: Back before '86 they were relatively cheap.


lemme know if you get one. my next purchase is either gona be a scar or magpul moe m&p15. i am trying to justify the high price of that scar. if i do get the m&p15, i'll put a spike's dedicated 22 upper on it.

-a|ex

It will be a SCAR or nothing. My brother has a pretty trick AR that he has about ~3500 into with ACOG and suppressor. No reason to build the same thing since I can shoot his. Going to get the SCAR for variety...but I want the dark earth color....

Probably going to set it up like this....a nice little room broom.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s141/franklaw996/23ly5i8.jpg

[everyday3]

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[Perry73779]

lemme know if you get one. my next purchase is either gona be a scar or magpul moe m&p15. i am trying to justify the high price of that scar. if i do get the m&p15, i'll put a spike's dedicated 22 upper on it.

http://www.gundealeronline.com/v/vspfiles/photos/811021-2.jpg


http://www.issc-austria.com/images/gun3.png
This scar clone in 22lr wouldn't be a bad toy to plink with:
MK 22 (http://www.issc-austria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=4)

-a|ex

There may or may not be a 22 upper in the FS forum. I know it isnt a spikes. I have a spikes and love it.

Also, the people who designed the scar clone are the same ones that did the Walther P22. So it will be very very plasticy.

[Back Marker]

You only live once. Plus once AW type guns are banned it will only go up in value. Have you looked at the price of a pre '86 full auto M-16/AR recently? ~$18,000.00 :eek: Back before '86 they were relatively cheap.



It will be a SCAR or nothing. My brother has a pretty trick AR that he has about ~3500 into with ACOG and suppressor. No reason to build the same thing since I can shoot his. Going to get the SCAR for variety...but I want the dark earth color....

Probably going to set it up like this....a nice little room broom.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s141/franklaw996/23ly5i8.jpg


Looks sexy... but aren't the pre AWB's select fire?
i'd like to see a scar with the side and lower rails removed. i used to have alota tacticals on my sig, but it made it too heavy for the kids to hold. so i removed most of the accessories and bought a lighter weight scope.

-a|ex

[derhntr76]

Frank, we're going to have to go play. My new AR showed up, now waiting for my inside buy on the Trijicon to come in the mail. Can't wait.

[KTM Rider]

Deal pending on a SCAR. Standby!

[KTM Rider]

picked up my SCAR today. gonna mount up the Eotech this evening and will shoot it tomorrow afternoon. will report back but super excited :up:

[wbeck257]

stay the **** out of rivergreen kids...

[Hughduffel]

To anyone who was talking about carry weapons earlier, I had been carrying a full size HK45, and that thing is just too big for the summer. I recently picked up an RIA compact, and I have to say I absolutely love it. Wilson makes 8 round mags for it if 7 doesn't do it for you, but I don't think I'll ever need another .45 for carry.

[wbeck257]

i love my ria full size...

i really want a colt commander 1911 w/ trench sites...

[Hughduffel]

i love my ria full size...

i really want a colt commander 1911 w/ trench sites...

I think a commander is going to be my next .45

[Mongo]

stay the **** out of rivergreen kids...

Huh?

[wbeck257]

was poking fun at frank and his new toy...

[Mongo]

Ahhhhh..... Didn't know he lived next door :D

[KTM Rider]

yep:up:

[Mongo]

Well just don't aim towards the preschool!

[KTM Rider]

LOL

The only thing I shoot in RG is my bow. One of my neighbors, who owns the Corner Butcher shop on Bells Ferry, used his bow in the 'hood to pop an 8 pointer in his backyard one night last fall. Very quiet that way.:lol:

[Mongo]

Very nice! Used to be a lot of deer hunting over there before it was built. Can't shoot anyway since it's in the city now, luckily I'm not so I can shoot in the backyard (well, if the MiL didn't live here).

[KTM Rider]

you're MiL would probably think you were crazy if you shot a deer where you live:rofl: besides the city thing, i would think you would have to be 500 feet from the road too:up:

yes i see deer in my yard on an almost daily basis. between RG being an old deer camp and the fact that there are the buffers of the river and Hwy 20 totally surrounding the place, there is a large deer population that is relatively free from natural predators.

the .22 and my brother's suppressed AR have been shot over there a little but what nobody hears, nobody knows about.

[chance]

To anyone who was talking about carry weapons earlier, I had been carrying a full size HK45, and that thing is just too big for the summer. I recently picked up an RIA compact, and I have to say I absolutely love it. Wilson makes 8 round mags for it if 7 doesn't do it for you, but I don't think I'll ever need another .45 for carry.

Awesome!
Thats good to hear. Im decently sized frame, about 6'2 and 215, so i dont think the slightly larger and heavier compact 1911 would be harder to carry or conceal than a glock or other typical carry gun

[Mongo]

you're MiL would probably think you were crazy if you shot a deer where you live:rofl: besides the city thing, i would think you would have to be 500 feet from the road too:up:

yes i see deer in my yard on an almost daily basis. between RG being an old deer camp and the fact that there are the buffers of the river and Hwy 20 totally surrounding the place, there is a large deer population that is relatively free from natural predators.

the .22 and my brother's suppressed AR have been shot over there a little but what nobody hears, nobody knows about.

Not sure on the road thing but I'm close to 500' in the house and we have deer all the time. I live up behind where the John Deere Landscaping place was on 20, same side of the road as RG. Used to ride my quad out the side yard into the field where the preschool is then down to the river. Now someone put some houses in my way (sort of, I can get through over towards Teasley if I want to)

[KTM Rider]

Not sure on the road thing but I'm close to 500' in the house and we have deer all the time. I live up behind where the John Deere Landscaping place was on 20, same side of the road as RG. Used to ride my quad out the side yard into the field where the preschool is then down to the river. Now someone put some houses in my way (sort of, I can get through over towards Teasley if I want to)

Yeah there are a few ways down into those woods...probably some from where you are still. I used to ride my dirt bike down in there but the threat of a federal ticket (not directly but just the knowledge of the fact that I could get one) from the Army Corps keeps me on foot only back there now. Shame too because there are some fun trails back in there.

[Back Marker]

after trying out a variety of evil black rifles, i've finally put a deposit on one. FNH ps90. i like the 5.7x28. it's a bit better than a 9mm and not as loud as a .223. the balance of the rifle is perfect which allows my youngest to shoot it standing without support. this will be my primary home defense that the kids can also use. will be picking it up on Thursday at the GeorgiaGunStore in Gainesville. i'll post up pix and vids the following week.

http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0029mb.png

here's some vids of my kids handling the sig 522... they don't shoot it much because it's too heavy for them.

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-a|ex

[Hughduffel]

should pay the tax stamp to chop that barrel down and make it an SBR :D

[Back Marker]

should pay the tax stamp to chop that barrel down and make it an SBR :D

i thought about it, but i didn't want to engrave my name and town on it. it's better to just purchase an SBR instead of converting one. i'm planning on an SBR gas piston for my next year purchase (or possibly a scar if the price drops).

-a|ex

[Hughduffel]

I wouldn't mind having a chopped down AK side folder. Neat little truck/home/office defense gun.

[KTM Rider]

The price of the SCAR might come down but probably not much. The days of people buying them for 5,000+ on gunbroker are clearly over however I wouldnt expect to see much, if any, below 2k. Speaking of SCAR, I put 100 rounds through mine yesterday and 60 mid week last week and now that both the iron sights and eotech are on, it is nice. I am still waiting on a foregrip and a few other goodies but for the most part, it is done and I LOVE IT:up:

I will post pics here once I get it completed.

[Perry73779]

after trying out a variety of evil black rifles, i've finally put a deposit on one. FNH ps90. i like the 5.7x28. it's a bit better than a 9mm and not as loud as a .223. the balance of the rifle is perfect which allows my youngest to shoot it standing without support. this will be my primary home defense that the kids can also use. will be picking it up on Thursday at the GeorgiaGunStore in Gainesville. i'll post up pix and vids the following week.

http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0029mb.png

here's some vids of my kids handling the sig 522... they don't shoot it much because it's too heavy for them.

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-a|ex

Not to sound like a jerk, but the ballistics of the 5.7 are almost the same as a 22 magnum. The ammo available to the civilian market cripple the potential of that round. They make a great AP round, but it is not available to civis. They are fun guns to play with, but as a home defense gun, I would reconsider a larger round.

[Back Marker]

Not to sound like a jerk, but the ballistics of the 5.7 are almost the same as a 22 magnum. The ammo available to the civilian market cripple the potential of that round. They make a great AP round, but it is not available to civis. They are fun guns to play with, but as a home defense gun, I would reconsider a larger round.

i don't want over-penetration (rifle rounds - .223) and larger calibers have a crappy double/tripple tap (i practice with friends .40/.44). there were very interesting reports on certain larger rounds not penetrating layered clothing (winter overcoats). even that events in FL where 15 body shots by cops didn't take down the bad guy. don't forget the effectiveness of 5.7x28 during the fort hood shooting.

from what i read, shot placement is more important than caliber size. if i want AP rounds, i'll just reload with steel core. ballistic gels are one thing, head shots are another. i'll take my chance on head shots than wound patterns on ballistic gels.

-a|ex

[Hughduffel]

from what i read, shot placement is more important than caliber size. if i want AP rounds, i'll just reload with steel core. ballistic gels are one thing, head shots are another. i'll take my chance on head shots than wound patterns on ballistic gels.

-a|ex

lol ok, you aim for the head when a crackhead 10 feet away is weaving towards you with a knife. I'll put 8 in his chest. Btw, if I were a cop I'd hesitate to believe that someone shot once in the head was the result of justified self-defense, it looks more like an execution.

[KTM Rider]

If you want home defense, just buy a tactical 12ga with buck shot unless you have a really long driveway that you plan to defend from your upstairs window and need a bullet:lol:

IMO, nothing else is a good home defense gun. I dont want a bullet going through a wall and hitting anything....a person or otherwise.

[Back Marker]

wow, you guys aren't looking at reality...
SBR is needed to manuever in my house. ps90 fits the bill without federal paperwork and sheriff signoff. shotgun is too long. as for headshots, yes i can take out a crack head at 10 feet. if i miss, doesn't matter, i have 50 round mags with little recoil. i can still put 20+ to the chest before putting the rest to his forehead. actually, i can hit 2-3" groupings at 75 ft with a pistol standing with no support. 1" with a rifle without support.

err, you do know the ps90 is a PDW?

-a|ex

[Back Marker]

Btw, if I were a cop I'd hesitate to believe that someone shot once in the head was the result of justified self-defense, it looks more like an execution.

castle doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine)...
it's legal to execute home invaders

[Qoute=Frank]IMO, nothing else is a good home defense gun. I dont want a bullet going through a wall and hitting anything....a person or otherwise. [/Quote]

5.7x28 doesn't over-penetrate... ps90 is for cqb

-a|ex

[KTM Rider]

a pistol grip equipped 18 inch barrel pump shotgun is as short or shorter than a sbr more times than not and a lot cheaper than either a ps90 or any SBR rifle. no offense but your example of "reality" is skewed unless you are contemplating a move to the middle east.

if you need that many rounds to stop people in your house, you pissed off the wrong group of people. the likelihood of 1 or 2 people coming into your house is already slim and the likelihood of a mob coming into your house is nill unless you are hanging out with the wrong crowd.:up:

[TroyBoy30]

I still prefer as many rounds as possible! :up:

[Perry73779]

wow, you guys aren't looking at reality...
SBR is needed to manuever in my house. ps90 fits the bill without federal paperwork and sheriff signoff. shotgun is too long. as for headshots, yes i can take out a crack head at 10 feet. if i miss, doesn't matter, i have 50 round mags with little recoil. i can still put 20+ to the chest before putting the rest to his forehead. actually, i can hit 2-3" groupings at 75 ft with a pistol standing with no support. 1" with a rifle without support.

err, you do know the ps90 is a PDW?

-a|ex

A few things.

1. Hitting 2-3 inch groups is good, but try doing that when the target is moving toward you, possible with a weapon, your heart racing, etc. The average person can cover 21 feet in less than 3 seconds. In that time, there is little to no chance of getting a clean head shot. Also, a head shot with a 5.7 might not do the trick. The reason it is a PDW is because of the ammo that was developed for it. That 5.7 would have no problems, but this civilain 5.7 can. A 22 can be deflected by the skull. No not all 22s have been and yes they have been used to execute people, but you are taking a big risk. It is a very different ball game when someone's life is on the line.
2. If you make a trust, you dont ahve to get a sheriff to sign off on NFA stuff.
3. In the end it is up to you. I am only here to give advice.

[Perry73779]

castle doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine)...
it's legal to execute home invaders

[Qoute=Frank]IMO, nothing else is a good home defense gun. I dont want a bullet going through a wall and hitting anything....a person or otherwise.

5.7x28 doesn't over-penetrate... ps90 is for cqb

-a|ex[/QUOTE]

And we dont have 100% castle doctrine. If you execute a home invader that does not show ill-intent, you will go to jail. It is legal to kill a home invader if you fear for your life or great bodily harm to you or others in the house. Read GA law.

[Back Marker]

A few things.

1. Hitting 2-3 inch groups is good, but try doing that when the target is moving toward you, possible with a weapon, your heart racing, etc. The average person can cover 21 feet in less than 3 seconds. In that time, there is little to no chance of getting a clean head shot. Also, a head shot with a 5.7 might not do the trick. The reason it is a PDW is because of the ammo that was developed for it. That 5.7 would have no problems, but this civilain 5.7 can. A 22 can be deflected by the skull. No not all 22s have been and yes they have been used to execute people, but you are taking a big risk. It is a very different ball game when someone's life is on the line.
2. If you make a trust, you dont ahve to get a sheriff to sign off on NFA stuff.
3. In the end it is up to you. I am only here to give advice.

1. i use up a box of federal 550 value packs every weekend. rapid fire succession will put down any charging attacker with a weapon. 50 rnds in one mag with adrenaline should be enough.

2. what if i don't want to make a trust? i can always do the corporation thing to bypass it all together. but not having to deal with federal paperwork is alot more convenient.

3. advice noted and appreciated, i thought about all my options. i've also considered pistol grip shotguns, but still too long and the ps90 felt comfortable (still shorter). i haven't shot a pistol grip shotgun, so i don't know how my kids will be able to handle it.

i'm very familiar with 22's. the high velocity CCI stingers have no problems with skull penetration. as for 5.7x28 civilian rounds. there are youtube videos comparing both 9mm and ss197sr (the ones i ordered) shot both into layers of wood and wet newspapers. penetration and cavities were better with the ss197sr, ss195lr next and 9mm last. all used pistols. but i'm using rifle barrel.

i have over 6k rounds of various .22lr's for practice. after i use up all my commercial 5.7x28 ammo, i'll reload with higher velocity specs. the civilian spec ammo is still lethal.

-a|ex

[Back Marker]

And we dont have 100% castle doctrine. If you execute a home invader that does not show ill-intent, you will go to jail. It is legal to kill a home invader if you fear for your life or great bodily harm to you or others in the house. Read GA law.

i'm not even gona comment on that...

-a|ex

[Perry73779]

i'm not even gona comment on that...

-a|ex

So a man walks into you house, you shoot? What if it was a drunk neighbor who thought it was his house? You have to fear for your life and make a cops/jury believe an average person would have felt the same way in that circumstance.

[Back Marker]

So a man walks into you house, you shoot? What if it was a drunk neighbor who thought it was his house? You have to fear for your life and make a cops/jury believe an average person would have felt the same way in that circumstance.

with your comment, i assume you will converse first with anyone who breaks into your home while your family sleeps? not a wise decision. i keep my house locked up at night and i'm going to assume that anyone breaking into my home wants to do bad things and may even have a weapon. if he's a drunk neighborhood, then that's why i have a tactical setup (mini spot light on my rail). i don't blindly shoot, i acquire my target first. in doing so, i can tell friend from foe... if there are more than one person, i will shoot first. if there is only one person, i'll determine their fate at that time.

i've already had false alarms and my adrenaline didn't overtake my common sense. proper training is needed for anyone with firearms in the house.

last night was a good example. i heard a loud crash in my basement at 3am (i'm surprised my dog didn't react to it and my home security didn't go off). but i still grabbed my walther p22 loaded with stingers (tactical light mounted) and proceeded CQBing down the stairs and around corners. no breakin, just a tray of beads had fallen off a stack of books and papers. after retiring from racing, it takes alot to get my adrenaline going again.

note: my uncle was killed in a home robbery 2 years ago (stabbed in the chest while protecting his family). a few years before that, my aunt shot through her locked door to chase away home invaders. this all happened in nice upper middle-class neighborhoods. my uncle was a doctor. i'm not really paranoid, but i don't ignore reality.

castle doctrine, i don't need to go to court... cops sees my family, the broken entry and 1" groupings on the dead man's forehead and he'll just say, good shot, bad guy 0, home owner 1...

-a|ex

[KTM Rider]

...and then some schmuck attorney will represent the relatives of the criminal for free and file a civil suit against you that you have to pay to defend and even if you win wont be able to recoup the court costs/attorney fees you spent because the dbags that sued you in the first place only did so because they are poor.

thats reality for you. of course faced with someone trying to harm me or my loved ones in my house and i will be in the same situation. having a camera system and a alarm that is armed at night with a cellular backup will be a hell of a deterrent that hopefully keeps me from being forced to kill someone because that is not something i ever want to do.

[Back Marker]

...and then some schmuck attorney will represent the relatives of the criminal for free and file a civil suit against you that you have to pay to defend and even if you win wont be able to recoup the court costs/attorney fees you spent because the dbags that sued you in the first place only did so because they are poor.

thats reality for you. of course faced with someone trying to harm me or my loved ones in my house and i will be in the same situation. having a camera system and a alarm that is armed at night with a cellular backup will be a hell of a deterrent that hopefully keeps me from being forced to kill someone because that is not something i ever want to do.


SECTION 3.
Article 1 of Chapter 11 of Title 51 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to general provisions relative to defense to tort actions, is amended by striking in its entirety Code Section 51-11-9, relating to immunity from civil liability for threat or use of force in defense of a habitation, and inserting in lieu thereof the following:
"51-11-9.
A person who is justified in threatening or using force against another under the provisions of Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat from the use of such force and shall not be held liable to the person against whom the use of force was justified or to any person acting as an accomplice or assistant to such person in any civil action brought as a result of the threat or use of such force."

castle doctrine protects against civil lawsuits...

-a|ex

[KTM Rider]

Doesnt stop 'em from trying. I can sue you today for being funny looking. Of course if it cost you any money to defend yourself you could countersue for those costs (damages)....but if I am a dbag with no money you get to spend the money to defend yourself and will probably get a judgement against me for the cost to do so but that doesnt mean you will ever see a nickel from me. Just sayin':up:

[Perry73779]

with your comment, i assume you will converse first with anyone who breaks into your home while your family sleeps? not a wise decision. i keep my house locked up at night and i'm going to assume that anyone breaking into my home wants to do bad things and may even have a weapon. if he's a drunk neighborhood, then that's why i have a tactical setup (mini spot light on my rail). i don't blindly shoot, i acquire my target first. in doing so, i can tell friend from foe... if there are more than one person, i will shoot first. if there is only one person, i'll determine their fate at that time.

i've already had false alarms and my adrenaline didn't overtake my common sense. proper training is needed for anyone with firearms in the house.

last night was a good example. i heard a loud crash in my basement at 3am (i'm surprised my dog didn't react to it and my home security didn't go off). but i still grabbed my walther p22 loaded with stingers (tactical light mounted) and proceeded CQBing down the stairs and around corners. no breakin, just a tray of beads had fallen off a stack of books and papers. after retiring from racing, it takes alot to get my adrenaline going again.

note: my uncle was killed in a home robbery 2 years ago (stabbed in the chest while protecting his family). a few years before that, my aunt shot through her locked door to chase away home invaders. this all happened in nice upper middle-class neighborhoods. my uncle was a doctor. i'm not really paranoid, but i don't ignore reality.

castle doctrine, i don't need to go to court... cops sees my family, the broken entry and 1" groupings on the dead man's forehead and he'll just say, good shot, bad guy 0, home owner 1...

-a|ex

P22? Really? Glad you are upgrading to the 5.7 then. To assume a 1" group in the head is unwise. I shoot with some of the best shooters in the state/country and they do not shoot 1" groups on the move under pressure situations.

As for conversing, no, but if the person does not make a threatning move, then wait for the cops. You have to FEAR for your life or serious bodily harm. You can say you were justified, but the law only says you can use that as a defense in court. That does not mean the cops will not arrest you. You can still face charges. If there is a threat, then you are justified, but until then, you can be charged with murder, etc.

[Back Marker]

P22? Really? Glad you are upgrading to the 5.7 then. To assume a 1" group in the head is unwise. I shoot with some of the best shooters in the state/country and they do not shoot 1" groups on the move under pressure situations.

As for conversing, no, but if the person does not make a threatning move, then wait for the cops. You have to FEAR for your life or serious bodily harm. You can say you were justified, but the law only says you can use that as a defense in court. That does not mean the cops will not arrest you. You can still face charges. If there is a threat, then you are justified, but until then, you can be charged with murder, etc.

please read georgia's castle doctrine... immune from both criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits. the act of breaking into one's home is already a threat in itself... unless i have a meth lab or have a child pr0n studio, i don't have to worry about the cops arresting me for defending myself and my family (damn, i should hide my illegal dvd copies).

1" groupings to the forehead was an exaggeration. i didn't think anyone would take that seriously. the point was me unloading headshots at 6-10 feet which is very reasonable with my training.

i don't doubt the killing potential with the stinger rounds. the Virginia tech killer confirmed the lethality of .22's

i'm going to put the question back to you. if someone breaks into your home at night with your family sleeping, would you assume it's a drunk neighbor or will you prepare for the worse scenario? keep in mind that you already have dead relatives from previous breakins...

there has been many cases of homeowners shooting drunk neighbors that broke into the wrong house, the homeowners never went to jail... castle doctrine prevails

-a|ex

[Back Marker]

Doesnt stop 'em from trying. I can sue you today for being funny looking. Of course if it cost you any money to defend yourself you could countersue for those costs (damages)....but if I am a dbag with no money you get to spend the money to defend yourself and will probably get a judgement against me for the cost to do so but that doesnt mean you will ever see a nickel from me. Just sayin':up:


In our justice system, practically anyone can file a lawsuit as long as they have the money to do so. It costs a couple hundred dollars depending on the location. In filing such a lawsuit, the person makes various claims against the defendant. If the claims are so outlandish as to be considered frivolous, the court does not deem them illegal. Lawsuits are a matter of civil law, not criminal law. In short, a civil lawsuit decides fault, not whether something is illegal.

While a judge will not rule a frivolous lawsuit to be illegal, he or she can take another step. As the case proceeds, the defendant can file a motion called a summary judgment. In that motion, the defendant argues that even if all the facts supported by the evidence offered by the plaintiff are presumed to be true, the defendant still has done nothing wrong. If the judge agrees, the lawsuit is over. Depending upon the state, the judge may also be able to award costs and fees to the defendant. The defendant, however, has another bullet in his arsenal.

Upon successfully defending a claim, a defendant has the option to file a malicious prosecution lawsuit. These are sometimes called "slap" lawsuits in certain states. In such a lawsuit, the defendant argues that the plaintiff filed a frivolous lawsuit for the pure purpose of harassing or causing the defendant to spend money on attorney fees. If the defendant is successful in bringing the claim, he or she can often recover the fees spent on an attorney and other damages dependent upon the relevant state law.

Frivolous lawsuits are a fact of life in our modern society. A determined defendant in a civil lawsuit, however, has the ability to turn around and come back at the plaintiff for filing them.

if you have no money, then you can't afford to file a lawsuit...

-a|ex

[Perry73779]

please read georgia's castle doctrine... immune from both criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits. the act of breaking into one's home is already a threat in itself... unless i have a meth lab or have a child pr0n studio, i don't have to worry about the cops arresting me for defending myself and my family (damn, i should hide my illegal dvd copies).

1" groupings to the forehead was an exaggeration. i didn't think anyone would take that seriously. the point was me unloading headshots at 6-10 feet which is very reasonable with my training.

i don't doubt the killing potential with the stinger rounds. the Virginia tech killer confirmed the lethality of .22's

i'm going to put the question back to you. if someone breaks into your home at night with your family sleeping, would you assume it's a drunk neighbor or will you prepare for the worse scenario? keep in mind that you already have dead relatives from previous breakins...

there has been many cases of homeowners shooting drunk neighbors that broke into the wrong house, the homeowners never went to jail... castle doctrine prevails

-a|ex


please read georgia's castle doctrine... immune from both criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits. the act of breaking into one's home is already a threat in itself... unless i have a meth lab or have a child pr0n studio, i don't have to worry about the cops arresting me for defending myself and my family (damn, i should hide my illegal dvd copies).

1" groupings to the forehead was an exaggeration. i didn't think anyone would take that seriously. the point was me unloading headshots at 6-10 feet which is very reasonable with my training.

i don't doubt the killing potential with the stinger rounds. the Virginia tech killer confirmed the lethality of .22's

i'm going to put the question back to you. if someone breaks into your home at night with your family sleeping, would you assume it's a drunk neighbor or will you prepare for the worse scenario? keep in mind that you already have dead relatives from previous breakins...

there has been many cases of homeowners shooting drunk neighbors that broke into the wrong house, the homeowners never went to jail... castle doctrine prevails

-a|ex

First part, you must fall under these conditions to be immune from prosecution or civil torts.

O.C.G.A. § 16-3-23
Use of force in defense of habitation

A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's unlawful entry into or attack upon a habitation; however, such person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:

(1) The entry is made or attempted in a violent and tumultuous manner and he or she reasonably believes that the entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the assault or offer of personal violence;

(2) That force is used against another person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using such force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred; or

(3) The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony

If you fail any of those parts, you could find yourself in cuffs. You have to prove those things to LE/DA to be immune.

Second, yes, the VT shooter did use a P22, but he also had a G17. BB guns kill an average of 12 people every year, but I wouldn't use one for self defense. Just because it has been used to kill before does not mean it is a good self defense gun. The FBI has done research on what rounds work well for defensive shootings. Anything smaller than 9mm/.38 lacks the ability to penetrate the 12 inches needed in a self defense situation.

Third. If there is a break in at my home, I prepare for the worst but will not shoot until there is a valid threat and I fear for my life etc. I have had friends held at gunpoint, mugged, robbed, etc. If I come and see a person break in thinking there is noone home, and when he turns and gives himself up instead of making a threatning move, I will not shoot. The fight is over at that point. There was no longer a threat. If the door gets kicked in and he/she makes a move other than surrender, I shoot.

[Perry73779]

if you have no money, then you can't afford to file a lawsuit...

-a|ex

Yes you can. Find any lawyer that will take the case on a contingency basis. Happens all the time.

[Back Marker]

First part, you must fall under these conditions to be immune from prosecution or civil torts.
--snip--
If you fail any of those parts, you could find yourself in cuffs. You have to prove those things to LE/DA to be immune.

those conditions are easily met... so far, no homeowner in states with castle doctrine has been jailed for shooting a home invader.


Second, yes, the VT shooter did use a P22, but he also had a G17. BB guns kill an average of 12 people every year, but I wouldn't use one for self defense. Just because it has been used to kill before does not mean it is a good self defense gun. The FBI has done research on what rounds work well for defensive shootings. Anything smaller than 9mm/.38 lacks the ability to penetrate the 12 inches needed in a self defense situation.

any gun is better than no gun at all when dealing with a bad guy...


Third. If there is a break in at my home, I prepare for the worst but will not shoot until there is a valid threat and I fear for my life etc. I have had friends held at gunpoint, mugged, robbed, etc. If I come and see a person break in thinking there is noone home, and when he turns and gives himself up instead of making a threatning move, I will not shoot. The fight is over at that point. There was no longer a threat. If the door gets kicked in and he/she makes a move other than surrender, I shoot.

i feel no pity for bad guys who break into my home. too many bad things happen to innocent people when the bad guy has the upper hand. why should i spare the bad guy when i get the upper hand? letting a bad guy go will endanger your family. once he is out of prison, what guarantee do you have that he doesn't bear a grudge for you sending him to jail? i have daughters and will not let these bad guys become repeat offenders.

you have too much faith in our penal system of rehabilitation.

-a|ex

[Perry73779]

those conditions are easily met... so far, no homeowner in states with castle doctrine has been jailed for shooting a home invader.



any gun is better than no gun at all when dealing with a bad guy...



i feel no pity for bad guys who break into my home. too many bad things happen to innocent people when the bad guy has the upper hand. why should i spare the bad guy when i get the upper hand? letting a bad guy go will endanger your family. once he is out of prison, what guarantee do you have that he doesn't bear a grudge for you sending him to jail? i have daughters and will not let these bad guys become repeat offenders.

you have too much faith in our penal system of rehabilitation.

-a|ex

1. That is not true. There have been ones jailed. I can show you a person who was in fear for harm to another when he fired a warning shot. He was arrested and faced charges. I sat in on part of the case. His case was finally dropped but not until after he had to pay legal expenses. He is a member over on GPDO.

2. Yes any gun is better, but why limit yourself to a round that is not a good defensive round?

3. I have no faith in the penal system. I also dont want to be a part of that system. I know when I legally can pull the trigger and when I cant.

[Back Marker]

Yes you can. Find any lawyer that will take the case on a contingency basis. Happens all the time.

you aren't serious...
suing me for having a funny looking face will cost you more than just lawyer fees (see previous example).
a lawyer will take contingency if the amount of recoverable damages exceeds his hourly rate. how much do you think the courts will award you because my face is funny looking?

lawyers will charge hourly rates on frivolous lawsuits. win or lose the plaintiff pays.

-a|ex

[Back Marker]

1. That is not true. There have been ones jailed. I can show you a person who was in fear for harm to another when he fired a warning shot. He was arrested and faced charges. I sat in on part of the case. His case was finally dropped but not until after he had to pay legal expenses. He is a member over on GPDO.

so someone broke into his home and fired in the air and was arrested?
i'd like to study that case... please post more information. case number if possible so i can find it.
but still, he didn't go to jail for shooting the bad guy.
bet he learned his lesson: kill the bad guy, dead men tell no tale.

-a|ex

[Perry73779]

you aren't serious...
suing me for having a funny looking face will cost you more than just lawyer fees (see previous example).
a lawyer will take contingency if the amount of recoverable damages exceeds his hourly rate. how much do you think the courts will award you because my face is funny looking?

lawyers will charge hourly rates on frivolous lawsuits. win or lose the plaintiff pays.

-a|ex

I didnt read his post. But you can be sued for castle doctrine. The judge will dismiss it, but they can still file and make you get an attorney. I am in route to law school, I know lawyers that have contingency cases that will net them less than their expenses.

[jlcnuke]

castle doctrine protects against civil lawsuits...

-a|ex


SECTION 3.
Article 1 of Chapter 11 of Title 51 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to general provisions relative to defense to tort actions, is amended by striking in its entirety Code Section 51-11-9, relating to immunity from civil liability for threat or use of force in defense of a habitation, and inserting in lieu thereof the following:
"51-11-9.
A person who is justified in threatening or using force against another under the provisions of Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat from the use of such force and shall not be held liable to the person against whom the use of force was justified or to any person acting as an accomplice or assistant to such person in any civil action brought as a result of the threat or use of such force."

you post that the portion protecting you from civil suits has been stricken (no longer applicable) and say it protects against civil lawsuits at the same time? Your quote says it doesn't anymore...

[Perry73779]

so someone broke into his home and fired in the air and was arrested?
i'd like to study that case... please post more information. case number if possible so i can find it.
but still, he didn't go to jail for shooting the bad guy.
bet he learned his lesson: kill the bad guy, dead men tell no tale.

-a|ex

Just remembered the case a little more. It wasnt a b&e case, just a stand your ground case, which falls under the same immunity laws. The perp make a threatening move and the guy fired the shot. The perp back off and the guy was arrested. Took months for the case to get dropped.

[Perry73779]

you post that the portion protecting you from civil suits has been stricken (no longer applicable) and say it protects against civil lawsuits at the same time? Your quote says it doesn't anymore...

"and inserting in lieu the following" is the key part. It got rid of the old part and put that part in. He is correct

[jlcnuke]

"and inserting in lieu the following" is the key part. It got rid of the old part and put that part in. He is correct

sure, i'm supposed to read the whole thing?? oops!

[Back Marker]

i went to pick up my ps90 today... but...
it had a crack on the butt stock. grrrrrr

i drove 1.5 hr's then hit atlanta traffic driving back home. twas a 4 hour wasted trip.

another one was overnighted and should be in saturday.

-a|ex

[Billy]

Finally all set up.

Knight's Armament Company SR-15 E3
Larue mount 104-30
Trijicon Aimpoint TR24 1-4 magnification (poor mans Short Dot). Amber with German cross hairs
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/bc361/IMG_7777.jpg

I havent had a chance to get the scope sighted in. I'll see if I can do it next week.

[Hughduffel]

so someone broke into his home and fired in the air and was arrested?
i'd like to study that case... please post more information. case number if possible so i can find it.
but still, he didn't go to jail for shooting the bad guy.
bet he learned his lesson: kill the bad guy, dead men tell no tale.

-a|ex

Pretty much, if the only circumstance under which you can legally fire your weapon is if you're in fear for your life, then the prosecution can make a case that a person who chooses to fire a warning shot rather than shoot the bad guy is not in fear for his life.

[Hughduffel]

bet he learned his lesson: kill the bad guy, dead men tell no tale.

-a|ex

You may be right, but I also know people who would trade the experience of killing someone for a few months of court proceedings.

[Back Marker]

Finally all set up.

Knight's Armament Company SR-15 E3
Larue mount 104-30
Trijicon Aimpoint TR24 1-4 magnification (poor mans Short Dot). Amber with German cross hairs
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/bc361/IMG_7777.jpg

I havent had a chance to get the scope sighted in. I'll see if I can do it next week.

looks good... do you go to an indoor or outdoor range? if someone organizes a group outing, i'd be interested (if outdoor, i can bring my family). hopefully my ps90 will be ready.

[Billy]

I only shoot outdoors. Im game for a group outing. I can offer to bring people on to South river but non members will have to pay 20$ to come on.

[Perry73779]

looks good... do you go to an indoor or outdoor range? if someone organizes a group outing, i'd be interested (if outdoor, i can bring my family). hopefully my ps90 will be ready.

Big group outings tend not to go well. When certain people get into a group set with guns, they try and show off, which usually ends with stupid stuff being done. Small groups work well. I am a member of Creekside and I work there also. South River is nice, but you have to be a member to shoot, or go with a member. Both Creekside (Near Cartersville up 75) and South River (Out I-20 East) are outdoor ranges. I personally dont shoot indoor unless I have to.

[KTM Rider]

I joined a gun club up in the mtns this weekend. Its private but does have public range time from 1:30 to 3:30 on the 2nd sunday of the month for free as it is on NF land and the forest service required that as a rule to let them operate. its cheap. 60 for the first year and 35 thereafter. outdoors, 100yd range and i have a gate key and can go any time during the day on any day i want to. it was nice shooting at a proper range for a change. outdoors rocks:up:

[Mongo]

Where is it?

[Back Marker]

please, do tell...

-a|ex

[Lazarus]

Caliber limit?

[Solace]

I joined a gun club up in the mtns this weekend. Its private but does have public range time from 1:30 to 3:30 on the 2nd sunday of the month for free as it is on NF land and the forest service required that as a rule to let them operate. its cheap. 60 for the first year and 35 thereafter. outdoors, 100yd range and i have a gate key and can go any time during the day on any day i want to. it was nice shooting at a proper range for a change. outdoors rocks:up:

If it's Chatuge Gun Club, I'm a member as well. It's a great range. Just east of 180 Spur that leads up to Brasstown Bald is Owl Creek Road, and the range is on the left not far from the end.

No caliber limit, no ammo type limit (as long as it's not incendiary or exploding), and a covered shooting pad with benches. Kind of like Wilson Shoals WMA range, but a bit nicer.

http://www.chatugegunclub.com/

[KTM Rider]

now Ed cant get mad at me:up: :lol:

thats the place.

[Solace]

now Ed cant get mad at me:up: :lol:

thats the place.

Hey, the gate's locked. I got my key!

[KTM Rider]

yeah....he told me not tell anybody about the club even....wanted to keep it low key. like the good roads i guess:lol:

anyway....i didnt say anything.

i will be up there in 2 weeks if you want to shoot.

[Solace]

Did Ed tell you how many members there are in the club?:)

Low key or not, I think there are close to 700 people.

[KTM Rider]

No he did not but he did tell me that many of the membership does not live in state and infrequently comes to anything.