Congress fails to act, 1.2 Mil americans to lose unemployment beis in March.

[winmutt]

http://qctimes.com/news/local/article_7763eae8-2352-11df-9e73-001cc4c002e0.html?oCampaign=hottopics


In all, 1.2 million Americans stand to lose unemployment benefits in March.

[FireMedicATL]

Thank god, get these worthless lazy ****s off the tit.

[winmutt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x18hrNp--NM

[Mongo]

Works for me, time to go get a job - any job.

[ga_skyline_rydr]

Here in GA unemployment should be rather low with all of the chicken plants around. In 1990 I held a Masters and the country was in a recession, no matter what I did I couldn't get a job in me field. Still had a family to take care of, so off to the chicken plant I went, money is money as long as it is legal, it mattereth not where it comes.

[signguy]

Part of the reason we have illegals is because of unemployment. Time to grow our own cheap labor.

[wbeck257]

Here in GA unemployment should be rather low with all of the chicken plants around. In 1990 I held a Masters and the country was in a recession, no matter what I did I couldn't get a job in me field. Still had a family to take care of, so off to the chicken plant I went, money is money as long as it is legal, it mattereth not where it comes.

They've been closing and idling chicken plants across north Georgia for the last few years; because of the economy.

[Karl Hungus]

Thank god, get these worthless lazy ****s off the tit.

A friend of mine who is a manager in a carpet plant said they recently tried to recall about 100 people from layoff. About 80% of them turned it down, because they were still able to draw unemployment because the job offered wasn't the exact same job they had before. Apparently there are a lot of people out there who a) aren't hurting enough and b) have absolutely no ambition or work ethic.

[GEORGIADAWG]

A friend of mine who is a manager in a carpet plant said they recently tried to recall about 100 people from layoff. About 80% of them turned it down, because they were still able to draw unemployment because the job offered wasn't the exact same job they had before. Apparently there are a lot of people out there who a) aren't hurting enough and b) have absolutely no ambition or work ethic.

counting 80 people from a carpet plant turning a job down isn't enough of any percentage to say "Apparently there are a lot of people out there who a) aren't hurting enough and b) have absolutely no ambition or work ethic. There are more than "A Lot" of people doing everything they can do for money and finding work.

[ga_skyline_rydr]

If you don't mind me asking what plants are you referring to. Tyson has a tremendous turn over and they are taking on new hires. I know the two in Athens have had issues. The old Goldkist plant was shuttered, but the Con Agra plant is still going. Unfortunately when Bo Pilgrim bought out Gold Kist and ConAgra poultry he did himself in and then the grain prices flew through the ceiling.

[Karl Hungus]

counting 80 people from a carpet plant turning a job down isn't enough of any percentage to say "Apparently there are a lot of people out there who a) aren't hurting enough and b) have absolutely no ambition or work ethic. There are more than "A Lot" of people doing everything they can do for money and finding work.

I'm sure there are, and I'm not talking about those who are legitimately hurting. Hopefully some of them will take the jobs that others are too lazy to fill. I'm usually one of the few here taking the side you are, but I wanted to point out this one story I have heard. It's disappointing to me that people will turn down work when they are unemployed, especially from their former employer.

[impalanar]

If you don't mind me asking what plants are you referring to. Tyson has a tremendous turn over and they are taking on new hires. I know the two in Athens have had issues. The old Goldkist plant was shuttered, but the Con Agra plant is still going. Unfortunately when Bo Pilgrim bought out Gold Kist and ConAgra poultry he did himself in and then the grain prices flew through the ceiling.

+1 I know the Poultry industry is not hurting.

[ga_skyline_rydr]

+1 I know the Poultry industry is not hurting.

The poultry industry has its trouble like anyone else and unfortunately it is probably one of the last home industries we have left, just food industries in general we haven't entirely outsourced yet.

[impalanar]

The poultry industry has its trouble like anyone else and unfortunately it is probably one of the last home industries we have left, just food industries in general we haven't entirely outsourced yet.

Not like anyone else. Pilgrim's Pride yes, other not publicly traded, over stretched, poultry company's not nearly as much.

[FireMedicATL]

I am speaking from the viewpoint of a man living in MI.
Everybody is on unemployment here, they have been for over a year, they aren't looking because they don't have to.
There are jobs out there, just not ones you want until you get hungry. Let the lazy bastards get hungry.

[MrBlah]

you all realize WE pay for unemployment insurance, it is our own safety net that we all pay into, I know too many that cant find work, way too many

[UNICOS]

Their time was up. I don't see a problem.

[Steve750]

Can't or won't? I know lots of people who are hiring...granted, jobs may be "below" what you think your paygrade is...but that is your decision.

Later,

Steve

[zxsexr]

I have been on unemployment sinse May of last year. I haven't been able to get a job. I have applied for over 30 jobs and have had several interviews. The problem isn't that there isn't ANY work out there its that there are so many that need it. For every job that comes up there are atleast 200 or 300 people applying for it. I have applied for jobs that the pay was 15k less a year than the one I was laid off from. I now only have 5 wks to find something and I am not to optomistic. Now I haven't just been sitting on my butt either though. I watch my two children while my wife is at work and I started back to school last fall. It is easy to sit there and say "get a job" or "oh well it doesn't effect me you shouldn't be so lazy" and all these other ignorent things you guys are saying when YOU HAVE A JOB. When you aren't struggaling to pay your morgage and put food on the table for your family. Maybe you guys should step down from your soap box's for a bit and take a look around. Not everyone that is on unemployment is a lazy, drug addicted low life that just doesn't want to work. I hate being on unemployment and embarrased as hell when ever I have to tell someone that I'm on it. I hate it because I hate being judged like you guys here are judging people that you don't know. Maybe, just maybe, some of us need unemployment. I only pray that none of you have to go through what me and my family have had to go through for the past 10 months.

[jkhonea]

I have been on unemployment sinse May of last year. I haven't been able to get a job. I have applied for over 30 jobs and have had several interviews. The problem isn't that there isn't ANY work out there its that there are so many that need it. For every job that comes up there are atleast 200 or 300 people applying for it. I have applied for jobs that the pay was 15k less a year than the one I was laid off from. I now only have 5 wks to find something and I am not to optomistic. Now I haven't just been sitting on my butt either though. I watch my two children while my wife is at work and I started back to school last fall. It is easy to sit there and say "get a job" or "oh well it doesn't effect me you shouldn't be so lazy" and all these other ignorent things you guys are saying when YOU HAVE A JOB. When you aren't struggaling to pay your morgage and put food on the table for your family. Maybe you guys should step down from your soap box's for a bit and take a look around. Not everyone that is on unemployment is a lazy, drug addicted low life that just doesn't want to work. I hate being on unemployment and embarrased as hell when ever I have to tell someone that I'm on it. I hate it because I hate being judged like you guys here are judging people that you don't know. Maybe, just maybe, some of us need unemployment. I only pray that none of you have to go through what me and my family have had to go through for the past 10 months.

I completely agree. Luckily, and knock on wood, I've got my architecture business moving again. But I can tell you from first hand experience, I've tried sending out hundreds of resumes and networked for jobs for the past could of years. I landed on sales job that got me through a huge slowdown thanks to TLR67 on here but that job went away about three weeks ago. I've tried covering a full gauntlet of jobs with a BS in Business Administration and a Master's in Information Technology and have made zero headway. Either not experienced enough or way overexperienced. Its not all people not wanting to work.

[signguy]

There comes a point when the handouts need to stop, for some people that really stinks, some just deserve it. You would think that at some point people would just do something.. anything to make some money, but there are those who would prefer to hold on to what they think "they deserve" as far as a job goes. Anyone who thinks that companies can afford to keep paying increased labor, medical, insurance, taxes, material costs, fuel, travel and whatever else it takes to run their company is simply not understanding the current situation.

[zxsexr]

Thats all fine and dandy to say, but it is not real life. The jobs I have applied for are not glamorus jobs. They are not well paying jobs, hell there not even decent paying jobs. Yet I still can't get a job. I don't have a degree and I don't have a lot of work experience in anything other than manual labor. Yet I still try, I still send in apps and resumes. I also don't understand why its a hand out. Didn't my tax dollors help to fund our unemployment system for the past 9 years? So why is it that now when I need it you say I don't deserve it? Isn't that what its there for? To help me get by untill I can provide for my family again. I just wish people would put them selfs in others shoes for a change befor they were so quick to judge. Again, it's easy to say "why don't you just get a job" when you have never been through what I have. Again, I pray that none of you have to go through what my self and my family have gone through. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[MrBlah]

unemployment is an insurance fund, not a tax, your employer pays it for you, based on his track record of layoffs, it is YOUR earned money, a self funded safety net. Most of the posters in this thread are confusing it with welfare, it is NOT welfare

[wallypiper]

There's no question that it's hard to find a job, any job, right now. And if you're taking care of kids, you always have to weigh the potential income against the cost of daycare etc. But there are people that support a family by slinging hash or sweeping floors. At some point, that's what it will come to for many people. My wife was unemployed for about a year. Luckily for her, my income allowed her to hold out for better job but she's been there/done that - cleaned bathrooms for a paycheck, sewed jockey shorts together for slave wages, lived on generic cereal so she could pay the rent. Sometimes your life situation changes. You have a mortgage. Can you sell? You have cars? Can you dump a good one and buy a beater? THAT's real life. Sometimes you just have to change your lifestyle to match your life situation. I don't wish that on anybody and it is easy to say as long as I continue to get my paycheck. But I'm not blind. My company, which I own part of, was about a month from running out of cash late last year. Everybody in the company was calculating how many paychecks we could skip before we had to make drastic changes in our lives. Luckily, we landed some good projects, got some cash and we're moving forward, but I was right there, looking at the edge of the cliff. I could have survived for a while, but that would be measured in months and would leave me with no cushion pretty quick. I mean, you obviously have internet access. How much a month do you pay for that? Cable TV? Any other regular monthly expenses that you haven't cut? I was about a week away from calling charter and canning the cable TV and internet. It would have been one of the FIRST things I did if I missed a paycheck.

I hate that you are faced with the situation you have. I wouldn't wish it on anybody and I'm grateful that I have, so far, escaped it.

[wallypiper]

unemployment is an insurance fund, not a tax, your employer pays it for you, based on his track record of layoffs, it is YOUR earned money, a self funded safety net. Most of the posters in this thread are confusing it with welfare, it is NOT welfare

Except that I believe the federal extensions have long since used up the collected funds. I've looked for that information and can't find it. The federal trust fund can borrow money from the treasury but I can't find a current accounting of it. Most states are out of money and are borrowing from the federal government to continue to pay benefits.

[FireMedicATL]

Or maybe the people saying it have gone and gotten jobs. They ARE out there. You stick in a resume at Taco Bell? If you said no, then I have no sympathy for you not finding one.
I live in the state with the highest unemployment in the country, yet I was able to find work and have slowly moved up.

[MrBlah]

I would make more from welfare than taco bell, please some of us have families we have to support, be realistic, instead of a jerk

[Butthead]

i bet 80 hours per week at taco bell pays better than welfare or unemployment.

[MrBlah]

i bet 80 hours per week at taco bell pays better than welfare or unemployment.

you either dont know what welfare or unemployment pay, or you dont know what taco bell pays, I'm not sure which

for most of us with kids, the cost of daycare exceeds taco bell's pay check

[wbeck257]

i bet 80 hours per week at taco bell pays better than welfare or unemployment.

and i bet you wouldn't get near 40 hours a week if you worked at taco bell.
probably cheaper for them to have 2/3 'part time' employee's and not pay them benefits than it is to have 1 full timer..

[zxsexr]

No not Taco Bell, but I have filled out apps at all the pizza places near me, Longhorn, Outback, and a few other resteraunts. Also put them in for trash man, meter reader, armored truck driver, a few retail places, Home Depot, Wal-mart, etc, etc, etc. I am glad you were able to find a job so easy, unfortunatly I haven't had such luck. I might have an apprenticship with a local HVAC place if all goes well. Every interview I have had its almost like they made it a point to tell me how they have never seen so many apps befor. I was told by the person that interviewed me for a warehouse gig that they were happy because instead of having to hire just anyone they got to pick and choose what they wanted. Its hard to get a job when the people sitting next to you have a degree and experience. Which is why I have started back to school since my lay off and am trying to get into the Enginering Tech program at Gainsville College. Oh, by the way do any of you guys know anybody thats hiring?:D

P.S. Sorry for the spelling errors. I can't get my spell check to work for some reason.

[Butthead]

someone told me $300 per week unemployment/$1200 month. $8 hour * 80 hours = $640 week/$2560 month.


you either dont know what welfare or unemployment pay, or you dont know what taco bell pays, I'm not sure which

for most of us with kids, the cost of daycare exceeds taco bell's pay check

[Butthead]

then work 40 hours at taco bell and 40 hours at burger king. if you're hungry, eat bad food.


and i bet you wouldn't get near 40 hours a week if you worked at taco bell.
probably cheaper for them to have 2/3 'part time' employee's and not pay them benefits than it is to have 1 full timer..

[MrBlah]

someone told me $300 per week unemployment/$1200 month.

it's based on your pay at your last job, so that person who gave you those numbers did not make much when they got laid off

[FireMedicATL]

I would make more from welfare than taco bell, please some of us have families we have to support, be realistic, instead of a jerk

Exactly everybody's answer here, but soon the unemployment will run out, and it will be tough shit.
I am being relaistic, this is a guy on the internet posting woe is me I can't find a job.
Why does he have internet, he isn't that hungry yet.

[MrBlah]

then work 40 hours at taco bell and 40 hours at burger king. if you're hungry, eat bad food.

have you ever worked in the food industry? First you wont get 40 hours, 2nd they both will require you to be at there on the same hours, if they even let you work at a competitor, I worked in restaurants when I was in college, they dont allow full time, we were always capped around 30 hours

we should not talk about welfare in a thread about unemployment insurance, they are completely unrelated

[Butthead]

ok, give me real numbers then. since you want to bicker, how long should the government pay you to sit on your ass before they cut you off? i want a number in months.


it's based on your pay at your last job, so that person who gave you those numbers did not make much when they got laid off

[MrBlah]

ok, give me real numbers then. since you want to bicker, how long should the government pay you to sit on your ass before they cut you off? i want a number in months.

you mean YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE? I'm not sure why you think the government is paying anyone, its YOUR insurance policy, it is not welfare

and it's based on YOUR pay, I have no idea how much I would get if I was unemployed

[FireMedicATL]

have you ever worked in the food industry? First you wont get 40 hours, 2nd they both will require you to be at there on the same hours, if they even let you work at a competitor, I worked in restaurants when I was in college, they dont allow full time, we were always capped around 30 hours

You could get 3 part time jobs, like I said, people will start to work once they quit getting a handout.
I have a shit job, but it is what I could find in MI. I work 15 hours a day, 6 days a week, in a landfill. Work is there, it just isn't that great of work.

[Butthead]

uh, yeah, plenty. i have waited tables, cleaned kitchens, prepped foods, washed dishes, and bartended. first, they gave me as many hours as i wanted because i did a damn good job. second, restaurants have many shifts. third, noplace i have ever worked seemed interested in what other jobs i had outside of that job.


have you ever worked in the food industry? First you wont get 40 hours, 2nd they both will require you to be at there on the same hours, if they even let you work at a competitor, I worked in restaurants when I was in college, they dont allow full time, we were always capped around 30 hours

we should not talk about welfare in a thread about unemployment insurance, they are completely unrelated

[Butthead]

you can call it whatever you like, but if you have been unemployed for any length of time you have taken out more than you have put in. it is paid for by the state, not AIG, Blue Cross Blue Shield or the like.


you mean YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE? I'm not sure why you think the government is paying anyone, its YOUR insurance policy, it is not welfare

and it's based on YOUR pay, I have no idea how much I would get if I was unemployed

[MrBlah]

you can call it whatever you like, but if you have been unemployed for any length of time you have taken out more than you have put in. it is paid for by the state, not AIG, Blue Cross Blue Shield or the like.

no it's paid for by US, we pay it, whoever you work for pays it for you, it's part of your compensation, at least do high school level research on it

[Butthead]

i know how it works. but it is not a trust fund. the payment by your employer generally runs about 1% of payroll. so you do the math and figure out how long it would take you to take out all that has been put in on your behalf. and then answer my question. how long should you be allowed to be paid to sit at home and do nothing (in months).


no it's paid for by US, we pay it, whoever you work for pays it for you, it's part of your compensation, at least do high school level research on it

[zxsexr]

The only reason I still have internet is because I am taking two online classes ontop of the two I'm taking at school.

[MrBlah]

i know how it works. but it is not a trust fund. the payment by your employer generally runs about 1% of payroll. so you do the math and figure out how long it would take you to take out all that has been put in on your behalf. and then answer my question. how long should you be allowed to be paid to sit at home and do nothing (in months).

you dont know how it works, it's not 1 % for everyone, it's based on the company's industry and how often it lays people off, at least get your facts straight, then come back and we can talk more

[Butthead]

it's generally around 1% for several companies that i have worked for. i know this because i managed the payroll groups for these companies, reserved the amounts and paid the bills. if you have better intelligence, please tell.


you dont know how it works, it's not 1 % for everyone, it's based on the company's industry and how often it lays people off, at least get your facts straight, then come back and we can talk more

[MrBlah]

it's generally around 1% for several companies that i have worked for. i know this because i managed the payroll groups for these companies, reserved the amounts and paid the bills. if you have better intelligence, please tell.

it's not generally 1 %, it's all over the map, it is calculated by how often the company lays off employees. If your old company was only 1 % they must not lay off very often.

and it's an insurance, it's not meant to be a 1:1 ratio for everyone, I will pay in my whole life and hopefully never use it

[Butthead]

the term insurance donotes that money is being invested to offset future claims. that is not the case. so, again, how many months should you be able to sit on your ass and collect this "insurance"?


it's not generally 1 %, it's all over the map, it is calculated by how often the company lays off employees. If your old company was only 1 % they must not lay off very often.

and it's an insurance, it's not meant to be a 1:1 ratio for everyone, I will pay in my whole life and hopefully never use it

[jkhonea]

And then there are some of us that have always been self employed that don't get the option of unemployment. When the works not coming in, then we have to find something else really fast.

[MrBlah]

the term insurance donotes that money is being invested to offset future claims. that is not the case. so, again, how many months should you be able to sit on your ass and collect this "insurance"?

you really dont know how it works, you keep proving that

the insurance fund is managed by the state, and it's always been a pot of money, the recession has drained it, perhaps you should research how it all works and who manages the fund before you go complaining about it

[Butthead]

ok, you're right. i don't know anything. so how many months should this insurance program pay you to sit on your ass before it cuts you off? in months please.


you really dont know how it works, you keep proving that

the insurance fund is managed by the state, and it's always been a pot of money, the recession has drained it, perhaps you should research how it all works and who manages the fund before you go complaining about it

[Mongo]

unemployment is an insurance fund, not a tax, your employer pays it for you, based on his track record of layoffs, it is YOUR earned money, a self funded safety net. Most of the posters in this thread are confusing it with welfare, it is NOT welfare

That insurance ran out a long time ago and it is now welfare - which is why it's a federal issue to terminate the benefit extensions.

[MrBlah]

That insurance ran out a long time ago and it is now welfare

did you make that up? What was your information source?

http://nelp.3cdn.net/737a594850cf857a83_j4dm66hog.pdf

it's almost out now though

[Mongo]

There's no question that it's hard to find a job, any job, right now. And if you're taking care of kids, you always have to weigh the potential income against the cost of daycare etc. But there are people that support a family by slinging hash or sweeping floors. At some point, that's what it will come to for many people. My wife was unemployed for about a year. Luckily for her, my income allowed her to hold out for better job but she's been there/done that - cleaned bathrooms for a paycheck, sewed jockey shorts together for slave wages, lived on generic cereal so she could pay the rent. Sometimes your life situation changes. You have a mortgage. Can you sell? You have cars? Can you dump a good one and buy a beater? THAT's real life. Sometimes you just have to change your lifestyle to match your life situation. I don't wish that on anybody and it is easy to say as long as I continue to get my paycheck. But I'm not blind. My company, which I own part of, was about a month from running out of cash late last year. Everybody in the company was calculating how many paychecks we could skip before we had to make drastic changes in our lives. Luckily, we landed some good projects, got some cash and we're moving forward, but I was right there, looking at the edge of the cliff. I could have survived for a while, but that would be measured in months and would leave me with no cushion pretty quick. I mean, you obviously have internet access. How much a month do you pay for that? Cable TV? Any other regular monthly expenses that you haven't cut? I was about a week away from calling charter and canning the cable TV and internet. It would have been one of the FIRST things I did if I missed a paycheck.

I hate that you are faced with the situation you have. I wouldn't wish it on anybody and I'm grateful that I have, so far, escaped it.

Yep. WERA is okay but we were definitely cash poor in December after paying deposits and stuff we had to do to get the 2010 season rolling. Evelyne and I put off getting a couple of checks, paid some WERA bills out of our accounts. Started cutting expenses at home and setting up some other stuff to be cut a lot more if needed if the first couple of events tanked. Luckily they didn't but we were prepared to make a lot of changes ASAP if needed. It's always amazed me that people consider cell phones, cable, internet, new cars, etc... as necessities. I've been poor, really poor, you don't need more than shelter and food. Everything else is a want not a need.

[MrBlah]

show of hands, who here thinks a new car is a necessity ?

Without a phone and for most of us, internet, it's basically impossible to find a job

[Mongo]

have you ever worked in the food industry? First you wont get 40 hours, 2nd they both will require you to be at there on the same hours, if they even let you work at a competitor, I worked in restaurants when I was in college, they dont allow full time, we were always capped around 30 hours

we should not talk about welfare in a thread about unemployment insurance, they are completely unrelated

Yes I have worked in restaurants and picking up hours was never a problem. Being paid hourly doesn't make you full time at 40 hours, it doesn't matter. They aren't forced into paying any benefits at 40 so you're full of shit as usual. Not sure what world you live in but there are jobs out there for people actually willing to work. There are jobs that will pay the bills if you actually scale back your life to what you can really afford instead of living off of other people because you have some ludicrous sense of entitlement - why do you deserve the same pay now? Oh yeah - you don't.

Welfare and unemployment are NOT unrelated any more, welcome to 2010.

[Mongo]

show of hands, who here thinks a new car is a necessity ?

Without a phone and for most of us, internet, it's basically impossible to find a job

You can't find a job without the internet? You are one truly delusional person. You should try the real world where real people live.

[Mongo]

did you make that up? What was your information source?

http://nelp.3cdn.net/737a594850cf857a83_j4dm66hog.pdf

it's almost out now though

The people living in unemployment for the last year have taken out more than they ever put in, it's welfare. It's my unemployment money paid by me working, money I have never claimed. Money my company has never had anyone claim. So yeah, welfare it is.

[Mongo]

The only reason I still have internet is because I am taking two online classes ontop of the two I'm taking at school.

You have no job, have no money, yet you can afford school? Interesting.

[MrBlah]

You have no job, have no money, yet you can afford school? Interesting.

keep showing us how much of an ass you are, it's great entertainment, you should tell him to stop sucking the welfare tit, because, you know, as you said unemployment insurance is now welfare, because you said so


For those that dont know, or are doing the dave ramsey thing, a phone is more expensive than internet, I pay 19 $ for DSL, my old phone was much more with taxes and fees, and then you get a voip jack, very cheap, much cheaper than a phone

these days your better off with internet and voip instead of a phone

[Mongo]

keep showing us how much of an ass you are, it's great entertainment, you should tell him to stop sucking the welfare tit

Pretty sure I've already done that. Got anything else moronic to say about how deserving people who aren't working are?

Yeah I'm sure you do. Still going to be a clueless git but you'll keep talking...

[DICKIEDOO]

It's sad that Americans are not working, but it's even more depressing how many are sitting on their asses. Unfortunately the funds need to be cut off to kick people into gear. Will we have some good people suffering because of it? Yup. It's still the lesser of the 2 evils in my mind.

ZXSEXR, I'M NOT BEING A DICK HER AND I'M NOT BEING SARCASTIC. If you've only applied for 30 jobs since May you need some help. I'm employed and I've probably applied for to that many jobs (looking to move up). 30 jobs in 9 months is about 5 jobs per month or a job per week. You will never get employed in this economy at that rate. Also, you're probably doing it wrong. Have some people look at your resume, network more often and read some job board tips. You need to step it up if you haven't received any offers. Get creative, but most of all get busier than 5 jobs apps per month.

Mr Blah (love the new name, very fitting) I understand what you;re saying, but it's time to cut the dead weight and we're going to have some casualties when we do that. Do I want people to be out of work or go hungry? No. The simple fact that you think a cell phone and internet are necessities does show your lack of knowledge on the subject of being broke. Every heard of a library? Public internet to anyone with a pulse. Internet, cars, phones and whatever else are not freaking necessities.

[MrBlah]

a phone is a necessity if you want to get a job, how else will they contact you?

The cheapest way to get a phone, 19 $ internet and VOIP

[DICKIEDOO]

a phone is a necessity if you want to get a job, how else will they contact you?

The cheapest way to get a phone, 19 $ internet and VOIP

Right, but I said cell phone. I agree you need a phone.

[Mongo]

a phone is a necessity if you want to get a job, how else will they contact you?

The cheapest way to get a phone, 19 $ internet and VOIP

You're the only one saying phone - I said cell phone. I agree a phone is a necessity for most employers.

[zxsexr]

No I can't afford school. Thats why I have the Hope Grant. You would have to be an idiot to not take advantage of the many programs to help pay for an education. I am also qualified for WIA, but have chosen not to apply for it. I just said over 30 jobs. I have no idea how many I have applied to I would have to look at my book I am sure it is much more than that. I appreciate your comments Dickiedoo and I will definitely get someone to look over my resume to see what I am doing wrong.

[MrBlah]

You're the only one saying phone - I said cell phone. I agree a phone is a necessity for most employers.

I said internet, but that's how my voip phone works, it's cheaper than a phone line

[Mongo]

No I can't afford school. Thats why I have the Hope Grant. You would have to be an idiot to not take advantage of the many programs to help pay for an education. I am also qualified for WIA, but have chosen not to apply for it. I just said over 30 jobs. I have no idea how many I have applied to I would have to look at my book I am sure it is much more than that. I appreciate your comments Dickiedoo and I will definitely get someone to look over my resume to see what I am doing wrong.

Totally agree on using the Hope, that's what it's for.

[Mongo]

I said internet, but that's how my voip phone works, it's cheaper than a phone line

Your internet is cheaper than a single landline? Sorry but no way.

A pay as you go cell might be cheaper than a landline but cabel/dsl/dialup/whatever to be able to get voip isn't going to be.

[Todd]

19/month IS cheaper than a single LL. 25+ for the cheapest LL.


Doesnt matter bow much money you earned, the max payout for unemployment is right at $325/week. and ys, it is derermined based on what you were earned in the last X quarters of your employment before you were laid off. if you had a job makin 8/hour, working even 40 hours a week, you will NOT get that $325/week payout. it will be substantially less.

[Todd]

damn typing on a cell phone is a pia!

[Todd]

even if you're gerring hope money, you're still having to come out of pocket for a lot of stuff. i know, ive got a son at UGA on hope, and a wife thats doing the online thing for her bachelors on hope. still gotta buy books and stuff. hell, id damn near rather pay for the tuition out of pocket (thats the only thing hope covers), and wish that hope would cover everything else. these days seems tuition is the cheapest part of an education.

[Butthead]

ok, 325 per week. damn, i do not know shit. :D


19/month IS cheaper than a single LL. 25+ for the cheapest LL.


Doesnt matter bow much money you earned, the max payout for unemployment is right at $325/week. and ys, it is derermined based on what you were earned in the last X quarters of your employment before you were laid off. if you had a job makin 8/hour, working even 40 hours a week, you will NOT get that $325/week payout. it will be substantially less.

[Todd]

keep in mind, Dean, MOST unemployment recipients dont get that.

[zxsexr]

The most I have had to pay for books is $25. Buy used online.

[Todd]

zx, i know all about buying books online, thats been our only saving grace, BUT, there are some books you cant buy used, and holy SHIT are they expensive! One book for my wife cost almost $200. :eek: Granted, we'll be able to sell it as "used" and re-coup some of that, but still, depending on the classes you take, friggin books cost more than tuition.

[Dan43]

Cheapest phone service is a prepaid cell as long as you are not using it just to chat.

I figure I paid into the unemployment system and if I wind up unemployeed, I will draw unemployment until I find a job that pays more than the unemployment benefit or my benefits run out.

[zxsexr]

Yeah I agree that books are outrageous. Especially if you have to buy new. I sell mine at the end of the quarter and use the money towards the next, thats helped a lot. I hope I don't have to buy new. I went to the on campus book store first quarter and about shit myself when I saw how much the books cost.

Dan43, you better put your flame suit on. That is a very dangerous statement you just made.

[Mongo]

Not dangerous, just lets us know what kind of person Dan is.

[BUD]

have you ever worked in the food industry? First you wont get 40 hours, 2nd they both will require you to be at there on the same hours, if they even let you work at a competitor, I worked in restaurants when I was in college, they dont allow full time, we were always capped around 30 hours

we should not talk about welfare in a thread about unemployment insurance, they are completely unrelatedI've worked in the restaurant industry for 24 years. Most of what you have put isn't correct except getting overtime as an hourly employee. You can work your way up to mgmt pretty dang easily. I was a General Manager at age 20. I've been trying to hire entry level managers for weeks now and can't find anything worthwhile. There are jobs out there.

[Todd]

Not dangerous, just lets us know what kind of person Dan is.
easy trigger. so what kind of person is it that draws unemployment if they get out of work, this one i'd love to hear.

ive been in construction for almost 30 years, and have had to draw unemployment myself a few times over the years, longest stint was 11 months in 1991. Had it not been for unemployment, a little help from family, and side work, i'd have lost everything i owned.

Those of us that have had to claim unemployment benefits are beneath you or anyone that hasnt?

[Mongo]

I'm talking about him being willing to just sit there on unemployment until it runs out because he can't find a job paying more.

[Todd]

well, in his defense, unemployment is there, you'd be an idiot not to take it if its available. would be different if it were someone that were on unemployment more than they actually worked. But even when i was on it, no, i wasnt going to get a job paying $200/week when unemployment was paying $325/week. wtf, are ya nuts? Now, once your allotted time on the benefits run out, sure, you take whatever the F you can get, but when you have bills to pay, kids to feed and raise, taking a cut in pay would be absolutely stupid. And i agree, there is a HUGE difference between unemployment and welfare. For some people, welfare is a way of life, they'll NEVER get off of it. You wanna help fix the system, get THOSE lazy bastards off welfare. Cut THAT off. Unemployment benefits already have a system in place to end benefits after a certain amount of time. Yea, they get extended in times like these, but people shouldnt EXPECT it to be extended. If it is, be thankful, if it doesnt, then yea, you do whatever you have to do to get out there and flip burgers if you have to in order to atleast make SOMETHING to put in the bank.

[Mongo]

Welfare is there - should you take it? You can sue someone and win big money for something that was essentially your fault - should you do so?

I guess I just think differently.

[zxsexr]

Todd the way I look at it is this, if you haven't been in this situation you just can't understand it.

[Todd]

Todd the way I look at it is this, if you haven't been in this situation you just can't understand it.very true man, very true.

Sean, the problem with welfare is, if it was used for what it was originally INTENDED, it wouldnt be the shithole it is now. Welfare for most of those that are on it..........well, look at the class of folks that are on it. Most of them didnt have 2 pennies to rub together when they GOT on it. Most of them never wanted to work to begin with.

For me..........if i had to, yes, i'd take advantage of it. But you can bet your ass, the entire time i was cashing the checks, i'd be working on finding a way off of it. Most of those that are on it, have no desire to get off of it. Theres a BIG difference.

Oh, and the lawsuit thing? :wtf: apples/oranges man. one has nothing to do with the other.

[Mongo]

To me it's the exact same kind of thing. But like I said, that's just me.

[chris948]

To me it's the exact same kind of thing. But like I said, that's just me.

No, it's not. Nobody is advocating that you stay on it forever but I'm guessing Todd is quite a bit older than you and has been paying taxes for quite some time. He's payed how many tens of thousands putting money into systems just like unemployment for how many years and takes some of it back for a couple months? That's at worst paying into a fund that you take from at some point in your life.

Lawsuit for nothing is just that, lawsuit for nothing.

It's like back in that scene of Cinderella Man where Russell Crowe pays back the money he recieved for the depression era help that has us in the mess that we're all in. He payed it back but back then he had never put money into that system. I got news for you, Todd has most certainly put money into that system and aint getting back what he put in even.

That being said, yeah planning on milking it for as long as possible is kind of depressing. $325 a week aint much compared to a real job.

[wallypiper]

There's some good truth slithering around through this thread. I don't think I would take a job that pays less than my unemployment benefit. It doesn't make economic or financial sense to do that UNLESS the job holds genuine promise of pretty quick pay increases. Then you have to consider the whole bird in the hand issue. But the main thing that is coming out here is that this is a special circumstance. While it's easy to say "there are jobs out there" and "we need people and can't find anybody", those are typical anecdotal responses to a situation that is pretty clear statistically. Roughly 1 in 5 people in the US that want to work are either not working or are working for significantly less than they were making a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean the government (that means you and me and the rest of us that are working and paying into the system) should continue to pay unemployment benefits forever. At some point, the workforce has to adjust to the market. There are thousands of people that were working in residential construction or in supporting businesses. Those jobs are not coming back for along time, maybe 5 or 10 more years and some of them will never come back unless we repeat the whole real estate/mortgage lending circus that got us into the current crisis. So those people have to move to a different industry. Period. And there's a good chance that they will have to take a pay cut in the process. And there are other industries that were generally supported by the open tap of disposable income that the rapid runup in real estate prices created. A lot of that is gone for good or for a long time also.

So when the federal government simply extends unemployment benefits, they don't really do anything that addresses the underlying problem. It does address some temporary problems and it injects some cash into the economy at the cost of a growing public debt that has to be paid back at some point. I'd have to do some more thinking than I have time for right now to make coherent suggestions about what the government might do to encourage long term real job growth. But that has to be the goal. Unfortunately that takes commitment and ethical behavior by the congress. They have to be willing to vote for things that have long term benefits but are not popular in the short term. When your primary motivation is re-election, that's not likely. The truth is that if $325/week is the max benefit, that's not going to keep many people sitting on the sofa. That's just over $8/hour. That's starting pay at a fast food joint in many markets and easily reachable in a short amount of time for a mature responsible hard worker. I mean, consider the average counter guy you encounter at the local BK. Don't you think you can outperform him and get a promotion before he does? Don't want a career in the burger business? Guess what. Almost nobody working there wants a career there. A good friend of mine got a job at KFC while he was in college. Now he owns several of them plus a couple of other restaurants. He didn't really plan that but found that it was easy to stand out, get promoted, learn all there was to know about the business and turn it into a career.

[Mongo]

Just for the record, yes, Todd is a hell of a lot older than I am...

[Dan43]

A rational person. If you had a job would you leave that job to take one that paid less? If you are unemployeed and trying to keep food on the table and a roof over your families head, why would take a job for less money than you are drawing from your unemployment benefit?

[MrBlah]

not to mention the possible loss of cobra insurance

[Todd]

Just for the record, yes, Todd is a hell of a lot older than I am...
:fyou2: not THAT much older!!

[impalanar]

A rational person. If you had a job would you leave that job to take one that paid less? If you are unemployeed and trying to keep food on the table and a roof over your families head, why would take a job for less money than you are drawing from your unemployment benefit?

I left a job to take one that paid less, because I saw the writing on the wall. Two years later my department was gutted, we even hired one of the laid off people on at my new place. However, if I were in the unemployment situation, I would not take a job that paid less than my unemployment paid.

[winmutt]

I left a job to take one that paid less, because I saw the writing on the wall. Two years later my department was gutted, we even hired one of the laid off people on at my new place. However, if I were in the unemployment situation, I would not take a job that paid less than my unemployment paid.

During better years I always had friends that would chase after that dollar. I took my current job over another for 20g less because I could see the writing on the wall. My friends who chased that dollar are all now out of work or working for far less than I am. Better to be overworked and underpaid than overpaid and underworked. Which leads me to wonder, is this 10% more of a salary correction across the US or what? AFAIC most marketing/sales people are way overpaid for what they do.

[Todd]

AFAIC most marketing/sales people are way overpaid for what they do.
no they're not, just ask Squire. :lol:

[Gmoney]

LOL! thats classic..

[BUD]

At least Bunning has a spine. All he is saying is we need to pay for this. He even offered several ways to do this. This is only political theater by Harry Reid to score points. Harry Reid and the rest of the Democrats have no interest in solving anything except perpetuating their power at the expense of the rest of us. Increasingly, our country is waking up to their shenanigans.

[winmutt]

If by "their" you mean the deficit spending by Washington since Clinton left office, then you are right. Wonder why it took the Republicans so long to realize it.

[impalanar]

If by "their" you mean the deficit spending by Washington since Clinton left office, then you are right. Wonder why it took the Republicans so long to realize it.

You do know where the spending bills start right? Either way, I kind of liked the 90's. I have no issues with legislative being one party and executive being another. It is funny that it took 6 years of Rep/Rep control before a shakeup occurred and it is looking like it will be 2 years of Dem/Dem control before that happens again.

[wallypiper]

A rational person. If you had a job would you leave that job to take one that paid less? If you are unemployeed and trying to keep food on the table and a roof over your families head, why would take a job for less money than you are drawing from your unemployment benefit?

Because a job, even for less money, might have the potential to give you advancement, security, training, benefits and, mainly, a future. Eventually the unemployment benefits will stop. If the unemployment rate now was 5% instead of 10%, they would have stopped for many people a long time ago. When they stop, you are in exactly the same position you were in the day before except now you have zero income. If you had switched to a job for a little less money a few months ago, you might be in a much better position today.

[Dan43]

And if I was offered a job with the possibilty of advancement I would consider it, but the dead end jobs that a person would take just to have some money coming in will still be there after their unemployment benefits run out. A lot of people on here are advocating the position that somebody who takes unemployment rather than accepting ANY job they are offered are wrong. I disagree with that.

[winmutt]

I wouldn't take a job paying less than unemployment, I *KNOW* I am worth more than that.

[Dan43]

I went to work for the company I currently work for when I left the Army in 96. I started out driving a delivery truck because that was the only opening they had, I could have drawn 26 weeks of unemployment and made more money for that 26 weeks. I took the job rather than drawing unemployment because I knew they were building new facilities on the other side of town and that in 6-12 months I would be able to move to a much better position.

But if the choice had been unemployment or flipping burgers for for less money than my unemplyment benefit, I would have drawn the unemployment. The dead end job flipping burgers would have still been there 26 weeks later.

[Todd]

Dan, until someone actually gets put in that situation, they'll never "understand".

You show me someone on this board, that in real life, loses his job, and doesnt collect unemployment while theyre looking for another job, and i'll show you a liar or a dumbass.

You got a family to feed and a roof to pay for, you'll draw that money as long as you can. And when it runs out, like you say, THEN you go to flipping burgers till something better comes along, cus at that point, its do it, or lose everything.

Again, big difference between unemployment and welfare. There are some folks out there that actually flip burgers AND draw welfare, because they dont make enuff money to be considered above poverty level. And whats so sad, is there's alot of folks that dont give a shit if they ever do any better, THOSE are the ones that need to be cut off.

Hell, i worked with a guy, his "girlfriend" of 10 years and he had 4 kids between them. They never did get married, but lived together just like they were. She was on welfare, and got paid each month a certain amount per kid, and THEY cashed those checks. She also got food stamps. Then, to make matters worse, he went to buy a house, well SHE went to buy the house, and because of her "income" level, qualified for some BS government supplemented loan and an interest rate that was a FRACTION of what mine was. Keep in mind, this son of a bitch was making the same pay i was (back then it was around $40K/year).

Now he told me ALL of this shit, and smiled and laughed about how he was just using the system that was set up. When i asked him why he didnt marry this girl, his response was, "what? and lose all that money?" Needless to say, i called him every thing in the book and then made up a few adjectives too. Basically one of the sorriest pieces of shit ive ever been around.

But.........all that being said, whose to blame for it all?????? Him? sorta, but as long as you elect dipshits in office that are willing to keep the plan going, about all you can do is come on forums and bitch about it. And yes, i voted for the dipshit in office now (so before any of you that know me throw that up lets just get that out there in the open). But theres not a soul on this board that can 100% assurity say that the other party/candidate would have done any better. Would have just been a different class of people he would be catering to.

[Hammerhead]

And yes, i voted for the dipshit in office now (so before any of you that know me throw that up lets just get that out there in the open). But theres not a soul on this board that can 100% assurity say that the other party/candidate would have done any better. Would have just been a different class of people he would be catering to.

At least the other candidate isn't an unqualified community organizer who's surrounded himself with communist wackos most of his adult life. However, since you've said that you're a union man, I'm sure you would've voted for a 3 toed sloth if it ran as a democrat.

[Karl Hungus]

That shit burns me up. I would rather my tax dollars pay for abortions than reward people for having bastard children.

[Todd]

At least the other candidate isn't an unqualified community organizer who's surrounded himself with communist wackos most of his adult life. However, since you've said that you're a union man, I'm sure you would've voted for a 3 toed sloth if it ran as a democrat.and thats where your wrong. I dont vote party. I vote for whoever i think is gonna do better than the last dipshit that was in office. Not gonna turn this into a dem/rep. debate, being union (for me) doesnt have a damn thing to do with who i vote for, ive voted republican MANY times over the 30 years ive been in (much to many of my co-workers and union reps dismay). I'd appreciate you not stereotyping me. Afterall, i guess since youre on a sportbike board, youre one of those dipshit/stunnawannabe/wheelie idiots that say FTP running 150mph on the rear wheel down the interstate huh? :D

[Hammerhead]

and thats where your wrong. I dont vote party. I vote for whoever i think is gonna do better than the last dipshit that was in office.
And how's that worked out for ya?


Not gonna turn this into a dem/rep. debate, being union (for me) doesnt have a damn thing to do with who i vote for, ive voted republican MANY times over the 30 years ive been in (much to many of my co-workers and union reps dismay). I'd appreciate you not stereotyping me.
Every union drone I've ever known has voted dem regardless. My father-in-law was a perfect example. He was a pipe fitter & strong union man & he voted democrat regardless of who or what was on the ticket. He was a great man but had allowed himself to be brainwashed by the union jack boots.

[Todd]

And how's that worked out for ya? Has worked out for me quite well. Ive still got a job, and a damn good job (same one for almost 15 years now), whats your point? Lets not forget, the last 8 years helped get us in the f'd up situation we're in now. The one that took over just isnt doing any better and from the looks of it, worse. Dont worry, he'll never make another 4 years. I just hope for all of our sakes, that SOMEONE thats got a friggin clue will be elected next go around. As i said earlier, if youre gonna sit there and tell me that Palin/McCain, could have done any better, then you need to go into the fortune telling business. Again, i admit, the numbnut asswipe douchebag thats running this country right now, is just indeed that. But, i honestly dont think the other option would have done any better given the circumstances. And yanno what? This is america, you have the right to your opinion (which doesnt mean its RIGHT), and i have the right to mine (which also doesnt mean its right), but, I would not sit here and tell you that youre an idiot because of who you voted for had your candidate made it to office and clusterfkd this country as much as mine did. He's an idiot.........i know that...mmmmmmmK?



Every union drone I've ever known has voted dem regardless. My father-in-law was a perfect example. He was a pipe fitter & strong union man & he voted democrat regardless of who or what was on the ticket. He was a great man but had allowed himself to be brainwashed by the union jack boots.Say what you want man, I can assure you you havent met as many union men/women as i have. Trust me when i tell you, the union people today are not the brainwashed union members of our fathers and grandfathers time. You'd be surprise at just how many of them DO vote republican.

[Gmoney]

Wow - I didn't know how much of a burden I had put on people when I was on unemployment for 3-4 monthes this past summer... I guess I should of just went to taco bell and skipped collecting unemployment..who knows I could still be there working.

[Gmoney]

kinda funny that i do work for mcdonalds now..

[Hammerhead]

Has worked out for me quite well. Ive still got a job, and a damn good job (same one for almost 15 years now), whats your point? Lets not forget, the last 8 years helped get us in the f'd up situation we're in now. The one that took over just isnt doing any better and from the looks of it, worse. Dont worry, he'll never make another 4 years. I just hope for all of our sakes, that SOMEONE thats got a friggin clue will be elected next go around. As i said earlier, if youre gonna sit there and tell me that Palin/McCain, could have done any better, then you need to go into the fortune telling business. Again, i admit, the numbnut asswipe douchebag thats running this country right now, is just indeed that. But, i honestly dont think the other option would have done any better given the circumstances. And yanno what? This is america, you have the right to your opinion (which doesnt mean its RIGHT), and i have the right to mine (which also doesnt mean its right), but, I would not sit here and tell you that youre an idiot because of who you voted for had your candidate made it to office and clusterfkd this country as much as mine did. He's an idiot.........i know that...mmmmmmmK?


I guess I'm just perplexed by the number of people who voted for "Dear Leader" & now regret it. What did you think you were getting when you pulled the lever? You now say he's an idiot but he's doing everything he said he would do during the campaign. As far as the "other option" goes...I'm pretty sure McCain's main dealings with communists was when he was being tortured by them, not being mentored by them.

[Troutman]

^^^^Your rethoric is so old. That's all you bring, nothing else. Same old shit.^^^^^

[Hammerhead]

^^^^Your rethoric is so old. That's all you bring, nothing else. Same old shit.^^^^^

Prove me wrong.

[Troutman]

Niel Boortz and Rush are already making money off of your game.

Whats to prove? That Barry is a communist or that Palin and McCain would have been better? Neither is provable.

[Hammerhead]

Niel Boortz and Rush are already making money off of your game.
Speaking of rhetoric that's getting old....


Whats to prove? The Barry is a communist or that Palin and McCain would have been better? Neither is provable.

I haven't actually called Obama a communist. I said he was mentored by a communist, which would be expected of a third world dictator, not the president of the United States. I find that disturbing.

[Todd]

I haven't actually called Obama a communist. I said he was mentored by a communist, which would be expected of a third world dictator, not the president of the United States. I find that disturbing.but you didnt answer this:
Palin and McCain would have been better? Dont bother, like i said earlier, thats your opinion, and unlike you, i dont talk down to someone that voted different from me. Which leads to the point of why i dont typically talk politics, especially with friends. As was stated, you cant prove the repubs would have done any better, youre no better than the hard left, youre spouting the same ol bullshit the die hard right wing has been spouting for years. At least i straddle the fence. As i said, your "party" ****ed this country up the last 8 years. The man thats up there now (nor ANY politician elected to that office, no matter the party) was going to be able to fix things, especially quickly. Its taken 20 years of left/right failures/special interests to get the U.S. in the shithole its in right now.

Again, this thread wasnt even about that crap, you brought it up. Now, wanna go back to the unemployment topic, fine, otherwise, leave this BS out of this thread.

[Hammerhead]

youre spouting the same ol bullshit the die hard right wing has been spouting for years.
I haven't "spouted" anything, I've stated facts. And how anyone who calls themselves an "American" could help put someone with such radical, anti capitalist, anti-American ties in the highest seat in the land is beyond me.

As i said, your "party" ****ed this country up the last 8 years. The man thats up there now (nor ANY politician elected to that office, no matter the party) was going to be able to fix things, especially quickly.

The "man that's up there now" hasn't tried to fix things....he's taken a country that was in a downward spiral, removed the wings, & put it in a streamlined plummet.

[Troutman]

Gotta love politics - all these opinions! My opinion is similar to Todd's. However, how can you say in one year that the POTUS has removed the Country's wings and sent it into a streamlined plummet. The funnny part is when the economy comes back, which it most certainly will, it wont be because of anything the current administration has done it will be because these things are cyclical and it was due to bounce back anyways.........It never stops.

Just yesterday Bortz went on a rave about Barry and his "communist mentors" all you did was recycle that here in this thread. That's hard work.

[wallypiper]

This particular recession is more than cyclical. It was/is seriously aggravated by the whole real estate mortgage backed securities credit default swap fandango. And frankly, that is not really any administration's or congress's doing exactly. It's an error of omission, in a way. A lack of regulation perhaps, although I seriously dislike government regulation of financial markets. No doubt some regulation of the type of activity that triggered the collapse might prevent it from happening again, but at what cost. In any case, Obama didn't do it. On the other hand, Obama and his democratic congress have not been very effective in overcoming it. I don't know if McCain or any other republican would have done better.

[Troutman]

Thats the point I was trying to make. You just make it sound so much better.

[Hammerhead]

Gotta love politics - all these opinions! My opinion is similar to Todd's. However, how can you say in one year that the POTUS has removed the Country's wings and sent it into a streamlined plummet. The funnny part is when the economy comes back, which it most certainly will, it wont be because of anything the current administration has done it will be because these things are cyclical and it was due to bounce back anyways.........It never stops.
Spending. Compare this admin. with the last one, you can't deny it.


Just yesterday Bortz went on a rave about Barry and his "communist mentors" all you did was recycle that here in this thread. That's hard work.

I haven't listened to Boortz in ages so I have no idea what his topic was yesterday. But the fact remains, regardless. Can you dispute it?

[Butthead]

i agree with some of you that mccain would have probably done the same "spend our way out of this" as barry has done. mccain is a progressive and not much better than barry. but i do not believe that mccain would have tried to ramm socialized medicine up our pie holes and disregarded hundreds of years of bankruptcy laws in favor of the scumbag unions.

[Dan43]

. However, how can you say in one year that the POTUS has removed the Country's wings and sent it into a streamlined plummet. SPENDING!

But you are right to say that he didn't do it alone, the Dem controlled Congress helped.

[Karl Hungus]

Here's what you can do.

1. Vote against your Congressman and maybe your Senator this year.

2. Vote against Obama in '12.

3. Wave a poster at a rally.

4. Bitch in an Internet forum.

That pretty much covers it unless you can fly a plane. If you decide to do that, do it on the weekend when no one is working.

[Troutman]

Spending. Compare this admin. with the last one, you can't deny it.



I haven't listened to Boortz in ages so I have no idea what his topic was yesterday. But the fact remains, regardless. Can you dispute it?

Can you prove it?

[Troutman]

Let us also compare the conditions that were inherited. While I dont agree with all of items in the porkulous and bailouts bills. I do believe that government intervention was needed. Those bills, in response to an inherited mess, made the current administrations spending inflated. Does anyone have facts on how the spending compares without these bills?

I believe the arguement about spending ultmately comes down to whether you believe that government intervention was the right call. From what I have seen there is no changing anyones mind on this one. Either you are for it or against it.

[Dan43]

Let us also compare the conditions that were inherited. While I dont agree with all of items in the porkulous and bailouts bills. I do believe that government intervention was needed. Those bills, in response to an inherited mess, made the current administrations spending inflated. Does anyone have facts on how the spending compares without these bills?

I believe the arguement about spending ultmately comes down to whether you believe that government intervention was the right call. From what I have seen there is no changing anyones mind on this one. Either you are for it or against it.Short of a major military conflict (think WWI, WWII) I do not support deficit spending by the government.

[Troutman]

Short of a major military conflict (think WWI, WWII) I do not support deficit spending by the government.

So you would have allowed the banks and GM to fail and just hope the economy makes it?

[winmutt]

GM -> yes.
Banks -> yes.

Could have spent all that money on road works projects and crap like that that puts real food on the table.

[Troutman]

So why did the leading economics brains in the country suggest otherwise? I just dont understand how people make these statements without any factual knowledge and or vast understanding of economis principles. I for one have no knowledge or dont pretend to.

[Butthead]

and quite a few disagreed. there are also many economists that believe keynes was right. it would have been painful, but it would be fine.


So why did the leading economics brains in the country suggest otherwise? I just dont understand how people make these statements without any factual knowledge and or vast understanding of economis principles. I for one have no knowledge or dont pretend to.

[winmutt]

My opinion now is different than it was then atleast on the banks (I always thought GM should fail and restructure, dragging it out damaged their image that much more). The problem now with the banks tarp and all that crap was that it was so poorly mismanaged it makes me want to shoot ppl.

[Hammerhead]

Can you prove it?

Can I prove what? That Obama surrounded himself with radicals? Yes, a simple Google search will prove that. Take Frank Davis, William Ayers, "Rev." Wright, Michael Pfleger, & Obama's pick for "Green Jobs Czar", Van Jones...all of whom are linked to Obama.... & connect the dots. What's the common thread among them? Now take Obama's spending & his assumptions that more govt. is the solution to the nations woes and it doesn't take a genius to come to a pretty accurate conclusion. If someone shares the same same beliefs as these people & supported Obama then I have really don't have a problem, per say, with that person...at least he voted his conscience. It's the people who are now second guessing their support of Obama that I can't understand. All of this was known before the election. Like I said earlier, what did they think they were getting when they pulled the lever?

[Dan43]

Better that the economy suffer greatly in the short term than for the nation to fail in the long term.

[Troutman]

Better that the economy suffer greatly in the short term than for the nation to fail in the long term.

I agree with this, but our opinions differ about the long term success of the nation if nothing was done.

[Hammerhead]

One big problem with the GM bailout is that they are now in the Govts. pocket. They can't avoid expensive regulations that the Obama Admin. would impose on them.

[Butthead]

based on what. you mentioned above that you have no knowledge of the subject matter.


I agree with this, but our opinions differ about the long term success of the nation if nothing was done.

[Troutman]

Can I prove what? That Obama surrounded himself with radicals? Yes, a simple Google search will prove that. Take Frank Davis, William Ayers, "Rev." Wright, Michael Pfleger, & Obama's pick for "Green Jobs Czar", Van Jones...all of whom are linked to Obama.... & connect the dots. What's the common thread among them? Now take Obama's spending & his assumptions that more govt. is the solution to the nations woes and it doesn't take a genius to come to a pretty accurate conclusion. If someone shares the same same beliefs as these people & supported Obama then I have really don't have a problem, per say, with that person...at least he voted his conscience. It's the people who are now second guessing their support of Obama that I can't understand. All of this was known before the election. Like I said earlier, what did they think they were getting when they pulled the lever?


So what you are saying is that you are ok with everyone that voted for Obama knowing that he was a closet communist, but you are more upset with the people that voted for him without connecting the dots?

[Troutman]

based on what. you mentioned above that you have no knowledge of the subject matter.

What I read from experts on the subject. Same as you.

[Butthead]

who? barry's cabinet? :D


What I read from experts on the subject. Same as you.

[impalanar]

So what you are saying is that you are ok with everyone that voted for Obama knowing that he was a closet communist, but you are more upset with the people that voted for him without connecting the dots?

Yes. If you vote your beliefs, even if you are an idiot, that is OK. If you are second guessing voting for him because you are now finding out the things that you should have known before, that is disturbing. It means you shielded yourself from this knowledge as you would have had to actively avoid the information to not have known it.

[Hammerhead]

I agree with this, but our opinions differ about the long term success of the nation if nothing was done.

What about Ford?

[Hammerhead]

Yes. If you vote your beliefs, even if you are an idiot, that is OK. If you are second guessing voting for him because you are now finding out the things that you should have known before, that is disturbing. It means you shielded yourself from this knowledge as you would have had to actively avoid the information to not have known it.

What he said...

[Dan43]

At what point do you think the line should be drawn on deficit spending then?

[Mongo]

So back on the original (sort of) subject - I want to apologize to Dan. The more I think about it the more I can understand staying with unemployment especially if it's a normal unemployment claim and not a government bailout one until the benefits run out if you don't find a job paying more than the UE amount. I was thinking more about the current situation with people and less about a regular round of layoffs or businesses closing, in normal times and without the feds involved, using the insurance that you've paid into makes perfect sense.

[Dan43]

So back on the original (sort of) subject - I want to apologize to Dan. The more I think about it the more I can understand staying with unemployment especially if it's a normal unemployment claim and not a government bailout one until the benefits run out if you don't find a job paying more than the UE amount. I was thinking more about the current situation with people and less about a regular round of layoffs or businesses closing, in normal times and without the feds involved, using the insurance that you've paid into makes perfect sense.It's all good.

[impalanar]

So back on the original (sort of) subject - I want to apologize to Dan. The more I think about it the more I can understand staying with unemployment especially if it's a normal unemployment claim and not a government bailout one until the benefits run out if you don't find a job paying more than the UE amount. I was thinking more about the current situation with people and less about a regular round of layoffs or businesses closing, in normal times and without the feds involved, using the insurance that you've paid into makes perfect sense.

This must be some sort of LEPR first.

[jkhonea]

This must be some sort of LEPR first.

They thought the Chile earthquake might have shifted the Earth on its axis. I actually think this was the true cause. :lol:

[Butthead]

not a first at all. i have purchased several slabs of ribs and other lunches to prove it.


This must be some sort of LEPR first.

[impalanar]

not a first at all. i have purchased several slabs of ribs and other lunches to prove it.

That was usually a tangible result. I.e. Obama won't win. Not something like this.