Wwdc 2010

[SlimDizzleATL]

Anyone checking out the live blog? iPhone 4 looks aiight. The iMovie will be cool, along with the video chat. Not to excited about the iAds. Doesnt look like anything thats going to pull me away from Android.
Thoughts?

[Mongo]

Depending on my contract I'll upgrade to it and upgrade the wife to my 3gs so she can video the grandkid. Lots of cool stuff for sure - only thing that I really want is the flash for my beers in bars picture collection :D

[jkhonea]

Anyone checking out the live blog? iPhone 4 looks aiight. The iMovie will be cool, along with the video chat. Not to excited about the iAds. Doesnt look like anything thats going to pull me away from Android.
Thoughts?

I'm not digging the looks of the new iPhone for some reason. Something about the buttons on the side, primarily. It seems almost like a step backward to me. I'll be interested to see it in person.

[jkhonea]

Depending on my contract I'll upgrade to it and upgrade the wife to my 3gs so she can video the grandkid. Lots of cool stuff for sure - only thing that I really want is the flash for my beers in bars picture collection :D

Sean, just read something about a third party developer that is supposedly pulling something together to convert Flash to HTML5 on the fly that may be getting implemented on the iPad and iPhone. Greystream is the company developing it, I believe.

[wbeck257]

Video chat on WiFi only -- Jobs says the service providers have some work to do; lol@att.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Video chat on WiFi only -- Jobs says the service providers have some work to do; lol@att.

Yeah. Im not really impressed. Keeping the Nexus for now...

Jk, It looks like a flip camera or something with those buttons...Idk.

[TarzanMan]

Depending on my contract I'll upgrade to it and upgrade the wife to my 3gs so she can video the grandkid. Lots of cool stuff for sure - only thing that I really want is the flash for my beers in bars picture collection :D

Video chat is only iPhone4-to-iPhone4. AT&T is moving up upgrade-eligibility 6 months earlier for customers, so if you have had your current phone for 18 months then you should be able to get the lower price.

The only noteworthy features is the enhanced screen resolution (which admittedly, is very nice). Everything else is available on other current-generation smart phones

[SlimDizzleATL]

Video chat is only iPhone4-to-iPhone4. AT&T is moving up upgrade-eligibility 6 months earlier for customers, so if you have had your current phone for 18 months then you should be able to get the lower price.

The only noteworthy features is the enhanced screen resolution (which admittedly, is very nice). Everything else is available on other current-generation smart phones

Yeah, I'd like to see the screen. Its probably gonna be cool. If I could get by on just staring at the screen, it'd be perfect.

[TarzanMan]

I started switching my LCD screens over to IPS technology last year. Got a computer monitor with IPS and found a laptop with an IPS screen.

I have a disdain for the apple ecosystem, but they do use the IPS screens on a lot of their products.

[impalanar]

AT&T is moving up upgrade-eligibility 6 months earlier for customers, so if you have had your current phone for 18 months then you should be able to get the lower price.

A sure sign that Verizon is getting the iPhone later in the year?

[Georgiacbr]

Video chat on WiFi only -- Jobs says the service providers have some work to do; lol@att.


LOL is right Att network sucks

[Georgiacbr]

Video chat is only iPhone4-to-iPhone4. AT&T is moving up upgrade-eligibility 6 months earlier for customers, so if you have had your current phone for 18 months then you should be able to get the lower price.

The only noteworthy features is the enhanced screen resolution (which admittedly, is very nice). Everything else is available on other current-generation smart phones

Problem i have with Att is there pricing for the Iphone is out of there Mind esp since there taking away from the unlimited date package (major step backwards). I currently pay around $55 a mo and that's enough in my opinion for there so called unlimited date 3g and 200 text. yea i'm grandfather in that package for a wile it's hard to see me go with something different right now. Overall I'm not too key about Att anyways lot's of issues with there surport on date and some clueless people working there.

[jkhonea]

A sure sign that Verizon is getting the iPhone later in the year?

Maybe, maybe not. There is a lot of speculation it's to get more people into the phone since the video conferencing is only going to work 4G to 4G.

[TroyBoy30]

verizon is not getting the iphone, let it go

so since att sucks so bad why are you still using them? who would you go to? sprint? verizon? tmobile? LMAO

still deciding between the new iphone and the evo 4g myself but I'm scared of going to spint and now being able to use all of my music and videos purchased though itunes on the new phone! Att has served me well for almost 15 years so I have no issue with staying with them. the early upgrade is nice as well. tiered data is not an issue and will actually save 90% of the users some cash. All providers will be gong to the same tiered system soon as verizon announced it several months ago.

[impalanar]

verizon is not getting the iphone, let it go

I am with AT&T and have no plans on changing since if I do, my company doesn't pay for my phone any more. There is going to be speculation about an end to AT&T's exclusive contract with Apple, let it go.

[Georgiacbr]

I am with AT&T and have no plans on changing since if I do, my company doesn't pay for my phone any more. There is going to be speculation about an end to AT&T's exclusive contract with Apple, let it go.

why is that you have opinion about something and some people like to discredit them . We are aware Att sucks and that most people have made that claim including media about Att crappy network for the Iphone date look around. Att is spending lots of money to update there network but it's buying time on there outdated current network. If Apple chooses to go with other carriers thats more power to them and that increases competition to rival Att . I see this as a good move if Apple makes this transition .

[wallypiper]

Sean, just read something about a third party developer that is supposedly pulling something together to convert Flash to HTML5 on the fly that may be getting implemented on the iPad and iPhone. Greystream is the company developing it, I believe.

I think he meant "flash" as in a bright light for taking pictures of things in bars, not flash on the web.

[TarzanMan]

iPhone will have to eventually move off of one network. Android will eat Apple's lunch otherwise. Apple is cool and all, but their hardware can't keep pace with the arms race going on between HTC, Motorola, Samsung, and Sony-Ericcson over android handsets.

Even the HTC Evo is arguably superior (or at least equal) to the iPhone in all ways except for screen resolution.

Itunes is the entire reason I won't ever own an iProduct.

[impalanar]

why is that you have opinion about something and some people like to discredit them . We are aware Att sucks and that most people have made that claim including media about Att crappy network for the Iphone date look around. Att is spending lots of money to update there network but it's buying time on there outdated current network. If Apple chooses to go with other carriers thats more power to them and that increases competition to rival Att . I see this as a good move if Apple makes this transition .

Not sure if you are aiming that at me, but that was my point.

[JSKeezy]

IDK about the new Iphone....some of the "minor" things look cool such as 720p and front video camera....but I dont know how AT&T is going to handle this...I see why they limited the data plan now. I think it will do well as usual but i can SLOWLY see people moving away from the Iphone to Android!!!

[Mongo]

A sure sign that Verizon is getting the iPhone later in the year?

I don't see that ever happening unless Verizon changes their infrastructure.

[JSKeezy]

I don't see that ever happening unless Verizon changes their infrastructure.

Which they are not....they strive off of the CDMA format and i dont see Apple going that route anytime soon...Also see that the rest of the WORLD uses GSM as well

[Mongo]

I think Evelyne knows me too well, this morning she tells me "When you pre-order the new iPhone, order one for me too". We hadn't talked about me ordering a new phone at all :D

[Mongo]

Which they are not....they strive off of the CDMA format and i dont see Apple going that route anytime soon...Also see that the rest of the WORLD uses GSM as well

Yep, it'd be stupid for Apple to redesign the phone for one single carrier. A hacked one can work on everything else out there (granted the 3g varies depending on the radios used by the other carriers) but Verizon.

[TarzanMan]

Both Sprint and Verizon are CDMA 2000 networks.

The radio inside a phone has to speak the same 'language' (UMTS or CDMA) and has to operate on the correct frequencies otherwise it won't work fully. All iPhones 'speak' UMTS.

Also, none of the iPhones have a 1700 MHz radio. T-mobile uses 1700 MHz for 3G... which is why unlocked/jailbroken iPhones are EDGE/GSM only devices when you use them on T-Mobile's network.

[Mongo]

I thought Sprint as GSM but cool. Heard something about the new iPhone that it might have a 1700MHz radio in it, not sure if it was real or rumor, haven't done any research yet.

[JSKeezy]

I thought Sprint as GSM but cool. Heard something about the new iPhone that it might have a 1700MHz radio in it, not sure if it was real or rumor, haven't done any research yet.

Sprint is only GSM on the Nextel side but remember they merged their network a while back so, in all actuality Nextel is running on CDMA as well...The only reason they will not go to GSM because 1) and the main reason, they dont have the money to restructure their network and 2) CDMA network is now cheap...they bought out most/if not all of the small CDMA companies for nothing..

[Georgiacbr]

Sprint is only GSM on the Nextel side but remember they merged their network a while back so, in all actuality Nextel is running on CDMA as well...The only reason they will not go to GSM because 1) and the main reason, they dont have the money to restructure their network and 2) CDMA network is now cheap...they bought out most/if not all of the small CDMA companies for nothing..

How do u like Sprint do you have them? I used Sprint once 10 year's ago in California and I liked them problem when I moved to the southeast Sprint really didn't have any retail networks in my area then. I got into Bell South Mobility then renamed Cingular and currently Att during the purchase. Most of my friends have went with other carriers beyond Att a Trend most former Att customers have made .

[JSKeezy]

How do u like Sprint do you have them? I used Sprint once 10 year's ago in California and I liked them problem when I moved to the southeast Sprint really didn't have any retail networks in my area then. I got into Bell South Mobility then renamed Cingular and currently Att during the purchase. Most of my friends have went with other carriers beyond Att a Trend most former Att customers have made .

I dont have sprint...I have t-mobile cause that was my previous job....As far as sprint now, they have drastically made changes to their network...for the better, but i dont know if people knew or not but their data network crashed the initial launch of the EVO, they resolved it but once again data takes away alot of tower's cells. THat is why AT&T put a cap on their....to upgrade the systems to handle all of the data....AT&T will be better....hopefully....Some people never had any problems (TROY) and some people have, but its people preference....to each is their own!

[SlimDizzleATL]

Everyone says ATT sucks but never says why. I've had no problems with them (knock on wood) but maybe its because I have tenure (6+ years). And I havent dropped nearly as many calls since I got rid of my iPhone. And I get 3G most places I go...

Imp, If I heard correctly (numerous times, might I add) the ATT exclusivity goes until 2012
And Troy, If it makes you feel better, I transfered my B.o.B album (drag and drop) to my Nexus One (Android) without any problems. And it was an iTunes purchase. Im thinking about the EVO also...its just so cotton pickin big...

[impalanar]

Imp, If I heard correctly (numerous times, might I add) the ATT exclusivity goes until 2012

Support for both sides:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/apple-att-verizon/

Honestly, I really don't care one way or the other. My job and the issue of voice and data at the same time will keep me with AT&T for the foreseeable future. It is just a question of whether I will go with the Iphone 4G or the Dell Thunder (or similar Android phone later in the year.) I have been waiting for AT&T to get a decent Android based phone for a while because, I was dead set against the new iPhone until I saw the Flash to HTML5 conversion talk.

[TroyBoy30]

I dont have sprint...I have t-mobile cause that was my previous job....As far as sprint now, they have drastically made changes to their network...for the better, but i dont know if people knew or not but their data network crashed the initial launch of the EVO, they resolved it but once again data takes away alot of tower's cells. THat is why AT&T put a cap on their....to upgrade the systems to handle all of the data....AT&T will be better....hopefully....Some people never had any problems (TROY) and some people have, but its people preference....to each is their own!

thenetwork didn't crash, the activation system crashed. Much like att's and apples did every time they launched a new iphone.


Everyone says ATT sucks but never says why. I've had no problems with them (knock on wood) but maybe its because I have tenure (6+ years). And I havent dropped nearly as many calls since I got rid of my iPhone. And I get 3G most places I go...

Imp, If I heard correctly (numerous times, might I add) the ATT exclusivity goes until 2012
And Troy, If it makes you feel better, I transfered my B.o.B album (drag and drop) to my Nexus One (Android) without any problems. And it was an iTunes purchase. Im thinking about the EVO also...its just so cotton pickin big...

kewl that's what I wanted to know. i see now that the evo does support AAC files so it should work fine. No clue about my purchased videos though. I like the size of the phone, that's why I was looking at it. It's the OS i see as the week link

[JSKeezy]

Everyone says ATT sucks but never says why. I've had no problems with them (knock on wood) but maybe its because I have tenure (6+ years). And I havent dropped nearly as many calls since I got rid of my iPhone. And I get 3G most places I go...

Imp, If I heard correctly (numerous times, might I add) the ATT exclusivity goes until 2012
And Troy, If it makes you feel better, I transfered my B.o.B album (drag and drop) to my Nexus One (Android) without any problems. And it was an iTunes purchase. Im thinking about the EVO also...its just so cotton pickin big...

Ive never had problems transferring music to my android....NO PROBLEMS....

[TroyBoy30]

Ive never had problems transferring music to my android....NO PROBLEMS....

we are talking about music purchsed through itunes, AAC and AAC+, not just regular music meaning MP3. Most devices besides apple do not support AAC

[JSKeezy]

we are talking about music purchsed through itunes, AAC and AAC+, not just regular music meaning MP3. Most devices besides apple do not support AAC

Most of the android phones support it...Now the catch is sometimes you have to dload an app from the marketplace in order to play the AAC and the AAC+'s. But yeah, I knew what you were talking about..Damn Apple tried to lock that shyt and some 5 yr old boy found a way around it :lol:

[TroyBoy30]

got ya. I'm going to look at the evo 46 on my way home. simply unsure about sprint and the android os. will probably just get the iphone 4

[SlimDizzleATL]

got ya. I'm going to look at the evo 46 on my way home. simply unsure about sprint and the android os. will probably just get the iphone 4

Give Android a look before you make a decision. Android does everything that the current generation iPhone and most features of the new Iphone do now.

[Georgiacbr]

Give Android a look before you make a decision. Android does everything that the current generation iPhone and most features of the new Iphone do now.


I'm going to looking at that as well today I'll post my findings in what I buy. Been wanting to do this a wile but haven't had the time to deal with this. Last phone i purchased was online but this time around I want to see the phone up close and personal to make my choice very clear.Mainly one feature I like to gain is music to my bluetooth on my Scala rider when I ride .

[jkhonea]

we are talking about music purchsed through itunes, AAC and AAC+, not just regular music meaning MP3. Most devices besides apple do not support AAC

I've loaded about 4gb's or so of music from my iTunes directly from the Mac to the Android and it hasn't skipped a beat. They all play perfect. I will say I went ahead and payed the little extra to update my library to the non-DRM files, not sure if that made a difference or not, but they all loaded and play great. Shouldn't be a problem for you.

[jkhonea]

got ya. I'm going to look at the evo 46 on my way home. simply unsure about sprint and the android os. will probably just get the iphone 4

Troy, watch the Evo closely. They're finding dead pixels in a good many. Watch for that. Other than that, hearing the video conferencing isn't working as well as expected. Other than those two issues, everyone seems pretty happy with the phones.

[Georgiacbr]

Troy, watch the Evo closely. They're finding dead pixels in a good many. Watch for that. Other than that, hearing the video conferencing isn't working as well as expected. Other than those two issues, everyone seems pretty happy with the phones.

shall we wait till the bug's are fixed?

[TarzanMan]

You'll have to. From what I hear, Sprint is basically sold out of the EVO.

[jkhonea]

shall we wait till the bug's are fixed?


You'll have to. From what I hear, Sprint is basically sold out of the EVO.

Yup, the EVO is suffering the same fate as the Droid Incredible. Sold out and high demand. I'm not sure how widespread the pixel issue is but I would just check it carefully if you pick one up. The video conferencing I honestly wouldn't sweat that much. That's most likely going to be a simple software upgrade/patch pushed down the airwaves when released. Definitely a good looking phone. If I were to leave Verizon I would look really closely at it. Verizon is apparently going to have another batch of high end Androids coming down. Supposedly by around July. Think I understand the Droid Extreme is supposed to have the 4.3 screen also. I'm happy with the 3.7 of the Incredible at this point. I will warn you of this. The new processors are chewing the hell out of batteries. Keep a spare or charger ready if you get one.

[TroyBoy30]

I'm going to looking at that as well today I'll post my findings in what I buy. Been wanting to do this a wile but haven't had the time to deal with this. Last phone i purchased was online but this time around I want to see the phone up close and personal to make my choice very clear.Mainly one feature I like to gain is music to my bluetooth on my Scala rider when I ride .

you will need the phone to have A2DP, which most now days do, as well as the BT remote control protocol. The iphone does not have the remote protocol and will not allow you to skip songs without a plug in dongle or jailbreaking and adding a control app. Also the voice dialing will not work with the G4 due to the long pause before speaking.


Troy, watch the Evo closely. They're finding dead pixels in a good many. Watch for that. Other than that, hearing the video conferencing isn't working as well as expected. Other than those two issues, everyone seems pretty happy with the phones.

yea, I held off. They are also having poor WIFi issues as well as some reports of very bad battery lilfe. Also many many complains about the HD video recording being heavily compressed. I'm going with the Iphone 4


You'll have to. From what I hear, Sprint is basically sold out of the EVO.

they are! Probably end of month before you can find one, if you can find one then.

[Georgiacbr]

Yup, the EVO is suffering the same fate as the Droid Incredible. Sold out and high demand. I'm not sure how widespread the pixel issue is but I would just check it carefully if you pick one up. The video conferencing I honestly wouldn't sweat that much. That's most likely going to be a simple software upgrade/patch pushed down the airwaves when released. Definitely a good looking phone. If I were to leave Verizon I would look really closely at it. Verizon is apparently going to have another batch of high end Androids coming down. Supposedly by around July. Think I understand the Droid Extreme is supposed to have the 4.3 screen also. I'm happy with the 3.7 of the Incredible at this point. I will warn you of this. The new processors are chewing the hell out of batteries. Keep a spare or charger ready if you get one.



Most pda batteries don't last pretty normal for these phones in general

Thanks Troy on what features I need to gain on my next phone.

[wallypiper]

payed the little extra

Paid? You paid for music files? Oh my. The Apple coolaid is strong in your blood.





JK, jk. I'm actually a big proponent of paying for the stuff you get that belongs to other people. If people don't pay for the ideas I produce, I go broke.

[TroyBoy30]

Most pda batteries don't last pretty normal for these phones in general



most don't? I go to bed with around 80% of my 3gs battery left every day!

he's refering to phones like the evo 4g which are only getting like 4 hours of use, so you better buy a battery or take a charger with ya!

check out the evo 4g forums

[JSKeezy]

Troy, watch the Evo closely. They're finding dead pixels in a good many. Watch for that. Other than that, hearing the video conferencing isn't working as well as expected. Other than those two issues, everyone seems pretty happy with the phones.

Im pretty sure these issues are getting the kinks worked out of them...There will probably be a soft update within the next month!!!

[JSKeezy]

most don't? I go to bed with around 80% of my 3gs battery left every day!

he's refering to phones like the evo 4g which are only getting like 4 hours of use, so you better buy a battery or take a charger with ya!

check out the evo 4g forums

What Sprint wants you to do

http://phandroid.com/2010/06/08/sprint-suggests-turning-off-roaming-to-help-your-evo-4gs-battery/

[Georgiacbr]

most don't? I go to bed with around 80% of my 3gs battery left every day!

he's refering to phones like the evo 4g which are only getting like 4 hours of use, so you better buy a battery or take a charger with ya!

check out the evo 4g forums



Battery life for Pda phones in General are like gass hog's V8 in trucks (LOL). There is methods to conserve power on these phone like turning off BT when not needed and turning off the 3g settings on the controls. I like your 3gs Iphone Troy but one thing I don't like is why Apple has there batterys as Not removeable. In my opinion Batteries life tend's to be 2 to 3 year's and it's time to toss them for a replacement due to the cell's being bad. I would love to see a solar cell design on cell phones in the future like what a calculator has.

[SlimDizzleATL]

80% Troy? Do you use your iPhone? Seems like a bit of a stretch. I plug up my Nexus One every night with about 60 - 50 percent battery with moderate usage. If I use Maps with GPS, it drains faster. But 4 hours is a lotta bit rediculous. Thats why I never early adopt.

[JSKeezy]

80% Troy? Do you use your iPhone? Seems like a bit of a stretch. I plug up my Nexus One every night with about 60 - 50 percent battery with moderate usage. If I use Maps with GPS, it drains faster. But 4 hours is a lotta bit rediculous. Thats why I never early adopt.

Its just in his pocket the whole day....Great paper weight though :lol:

[Mongo]

If I use my 3gs for texting, surfing, email, google maps, and so on pretty regularly all day long it might go down to 50% - but that has to be a lot of use. Normal usage of a little surfing, some calls, some texting, winds up leaving me with 80% or more. I charge the phone once every 3-4 days normally, once every 2 days with heavy use on the road. If I spend all my time on it and watch a movie or two on a flight I can kill it in 7 or so hours but that is pretty much non stop use.

[TroyBoy30]

80% Troy? Do you use your iPhone? Seems like a bit of a stretch. I plug up my Nexus One every night with about 60 - 50 percent battery with moderate usage. If I use Maps with GPS, it drains faster. But 4 hours is a lotta bit rediculous. Thats why I never early adopt.

on a daily basis, not much. i still charge every night. if I use it, use it I can kill it in a round 7 hours

[jkhonea]

Yes the battery issue is a known fact on the Incredible and Evo. It actually looks like there is a good chance the battery may not be charging fully due to a programming flaw from HTC. They have half heartedly agreed but no definite answers yet. It is strange, you can charge til the phone shows full, turn it off, put it back on the charger and it shows charging again for at least thirty minutes most off the time. Pretty much all owners trying that experiment are finding this out. I wish they would figure it out because the battery is really three only problem I have with road phone.

Sent from Droid Incredible

[wbeck257]

Yeah, I've wondered that -- my incredible will charge over night for me and after 5 minutes of being unplugged it shows 90%..

But either way, I unplug at 5AM and don't plug in again until 10PM and I normally have 25-40% left. And that is useing it a good bit too.
So it really isn't that bad...

[impalanar]

Yeah, I've wondered that -- my incredible will charge over night for me and after 5 minutes of being unplugged it shows 90%..

But either way, I unplug at 5AM and don't plug in again until 10PM and I normally have 25-40% left. And that is useing it a good bit too.
So it really isn't that bad...

Dang, that is like the batt life on my 2 year old iPhone.

[wallypiper]

It is strange, you can charge til the phone shows full, turn it off, put it back on the charger and it shows charging again for at least thirty minutes most off the time.

Lots of rechargeable batteries/charger combos work that way. Measuring the charge state of a battery isn't an exact thing.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Thought this was interesting....

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-vs-iphone-4-specs

iPhone 4 isnt hittin on too much...

[impalanar]

Thought this was interesting....

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-vs-iphone-4-specs

iPhone 4 isnt hittin on too much...

By the same token, it's not missin on much either.

[Mongo]

Thought this was interesting....

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-vs-iphone-4-specs

iPhone 4 isnt hittin on too much...

Huh? You look at a different graphic than what I saw?

[SlimDizzleATL]

Whats so much different than the Android phones? 720 recording and a nice display

[SlimDizzleATL]

By the same token, it's not missin on much either.

Im talking about from the standpoint of...Its new and innovative..Not really. Android phones are doing the same thing.

[Mongo]

Im talking about from the standpoint of...Its new and innovative..Not really. Android phones are doing the same thing.

Yes they are, but just putting a lot of stuff into the phone isn't necessarily the best thing. I've been very happy with Apple taking their time and having the majority of their stuff work flawlessly when they do introduce it - and not sacrifice battery life while they're doing it.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Yes they are, but just putting a lot of stuff into the phone isn't necessarily the best thing. I've been very happy with Apple taking their time and having the majority of their stuff work flawlessly when they do introduce it - and not sacrifice battery life while they're doing it.

Right...Because the iPhone battery life is soooo awesome. lol. I love Apple..I have a MacBook and an iPod and used to have an iPhone. And yes, their stuff does work, but all Im saying is, they are claiming they are changing the game again and they arent really...

[wbeck257]

Dang, that is like the batt life on my 2 year old iPhone.

That makes me feel better.
Because my phone does way more, faster than a 2 year old iPhone.

[Mongo]

Right...Because the iPhone battery life is soooo awesome. lol. I love Apple..I have a MacBook and an iPod and used to have an iPhone. And yes, their stuff does work, but all Im saying is, they are claiming they are changing the game again and they arent really...

Sorry, guess I don't listen to enough of the bullshit marketing from any of them to get upset over the terminology they use.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Not upset...just trying to make a point

[Mongo]

Not upset...just trying to make a point

So what is your point? That marketing is lies? :D

[jkhonea]

:up:

I'm definitely not knocking the phone overall. Love it, actually. I've still been fiddling with settings. When I'm around a wireless network, I use it rather than 3G as that's a HUGE battery saver on it. Also make sure to kill Bluetooth when I'm not using it. All in all, its working good. Still thinking about picking up the Seidio 1750 battery for it since it still fits under the back cover.

[SlimDizzleATL]

So what is your point? That marketing is lies? :D

Thats a universal truth right? :stirpot:

And yes, turning on Wi-fi helps battery life, believe it or not.

[TroyBoy30]

Thought this was interesting....

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-vs-iphone-4-specs

iPhone 4 isnt hittin on too much...

good thing stats don't make for a good phone hu? The thing with the iphone is not the stats it's the OS and the over all usability. Things are so much easier than with android or WM. Just a simple example. Say you have your video recording settings are set for the best quality, which of course you would want right? now take a quick video and try to MMS it to someone. See that error message you just got? The one that says 'file is too large to mms'! Great! now you get to go into settings and change the video to record in MMS size. Re-record the video, which is probably not possible since whatever you recorded the 1st time has already happened, then send in an MMS. The iphone does those sorts of things automatically!


Whats so much different than the Android phones? 720 recording and a nice display

actually the iphone compaires very well on stats even with the evo 4g. Even the 720 recording on the iphone will be better. The evo 4g only does video at 24fps and is heavily compressed. The a4 chip has already been proven to be faster than the 1g snapdragon as well.

[TarzanMan]

Thats a universal truth right? :stirpot:
And yes, turning on Wi-fi helps battery life, believe it or not.

I'm going to call BS on that.

[Mongo]

Using wifi vs using 3g does save battery from what I can tell. Turning off wifi and not surfing at all however saves more.

[wallypiper]

It's just two specific devices, neither made by apple, but the wifi radio in my laptop uses much less batter than the USB 3G modem. I can use wifi for several hours but the modem will eat the battery in about 90 minutes or a little less. With both off, my laptop will run about 4 hours. That's with heavy use of either one, though. If you're not using them, it doesn't make much difference. My 3G phone will go for days on a charge if I'm not using it a lot.

[TarzanMan]

It's just two specific devices, neither made by apple, but the wifi radio in my laptop uses much less batter than the USB 3G modem. I can use wifi for several hours but the modem will eat the battery in about 90 minutes or a little less. With both off, my laptop will run about 4 hours. That's with heavy use of either one, though. If you're not using them, it doesn't make much difference. My 3G phone will go for days on a charge if I'm not using it a lot.

The important difference is that in your laptop, the 3G radio isn't ALWAYS on... unlike a phone, which still uses the radio for phone calls and periodic cell communications, regardless of whether you're sending a lot of NRT (data) traffic

[TroyBoy30]

so now to go with the terrible light leakage on the EVO the screens are coming apart!

yea pretty sure I made my decision! lol

http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/97535-anyone-return-evo-because-bottom-screen-separating.html

[jkhonea]

Damn! Hadn't heard about that yet! Definitely happy did my Incredible instead of the Evo.

[TroyBoy30]

Damn! Hadn't heard about that yet! Definitely happy did my Incredible instead of the Evo.

this aint gonna help either! I'd rather have a cap than throttling!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/11/sprint-to-begin-throttling-data-this-summer/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/sprint-data-throttle.jpg

You know the fine print of your EVO 4G contract that gives Sprint the right to limit throughput speeds without notice? Skipped past that part? Well, consider this your unofficial notice. If what we're reading above is accurate, then Sprint appears ready to introduce data throttling this summer. Where and how are the big questions. The image above received from a tipster appears to have been grabbed from Sprint's own "The Playbook (http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/samsung-m810-red-lg-lotus-found-in-sprints-playbook/)," though we have no way of confirming that at this time. It certainly make sense though given T-Mobile USA's recent move (http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/t-mobile-drops-some-overage-charges-in-favor-of-bandwidth-thrott/) away from overage charges in favor of throttling.

[jkhonea]

Data throttling while touting 4G, this won't end well.

[TroyBoy30]

kinda defeats the purpose don't it! lol