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winmutt
06-21-2010, 11:41 AM
This would be about 20 acres bigger than atlantic station. It certainly should be redeveloped, it would do wonders to the area. Don't really think it should be a publicly funded project though, Atlantic station wasn't. I don't really see the benefit to the county of borrowing money from the Feds and from the rest of us for what is a real gamble in this economy. Thoughts?


GM Redevelopment Plan? Taxpayers Beware.

When a county commissioner talks about spreading “risk” and “cost,” taxpayers should run in the other direction.

Those words were quoted from a recent edition of the DeKalb Neighbor (click for link) in which Commissioner Jeff Rader talked about the potential redevelopment of the Doraville GM plant: “We … need to spread risk and cost of this to other stakeholders. [Otherwise] the county will have to service the debt and use taxpayer funds to pay back that money.”

The GM redevelopment is a project that taxpayers need to be watching closely. Very closely.

New Broad Street, the developer of Florida’s huge Celebration community (click for link), is proposing a partnership with DeKalb County where the developer and the county will acquire the GM site and build a supersized mixed-use center with condos, apartments, retail stores, office space, and hotels. The county is proposing to use a special allocation of federal stimulus bonds known as recovery zone bonds to help finance the redevelopment of the GM site. The “benefit” of using these bonds is that the federal government subsidizes 45 percent of the interest.

However, the remaining principal and interest on the bonds would have to be paid out of the county treasury. That’s our tax dollars the county is gambling with. Whenever you read news stories that the county is thinking about shutting down recreation facilities and judges are reading the Riot Act to the CEO and county commissioners about the judicial budget (click for links), you have to wonder what the county is thinking when they consider using the very same tax dollars for risky development projects.

Some officials in the county government are going so far as to talk about increasing our property taxes to help pay for the bonds to redevelop the GM site. That should be a complete non-starter.

When Commissioner Rader was talking about spreading “risk” and “cost,” he was talking about the county’s efforts to shake down the Doraville City Council to use the city’s funds to help pay for the project, because the GM plant is located inside the City of Doraville. That’s still using tax dollars. It’s robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Doraville would be right to say no.

The DeKalb County Development Authority would be responsible for issuing the stimulus bonds to help pay for the New Broad Street project. Generally speaking, in DeKalb County, the use of our tax dollars to support the projects of a quasi-governmental authority requires a voter referendum. This referendum requirement is the result of a law I authored in 2007. As part of this year’s House Bill 203 (click for link), however, the General Assembly granted the county a one-time exemption for the stimulus bonds now being proposed for the GM site.

The reason for the exemption is that the stimulus bonds had a June 30th “use them or lose them” deadline. It would have been impossible to hold a referendum under this time constraint. The consequence of not meeting the deadline would be that DeKalb’s allocation of stimulus bonds would be reallocated to other local governments in Georgia. Those local governments would then be able to use the bonds for infrastructure projects like improvements to roads and sewers. Infrastructure is the real purpose of the stimulus bonds, not risky development projects. DeKalb either has obtained or is attempting to obtain an extension of the June 30th deadline.

In addition, I considered the fact that the county commission would have to conduct an open public vote on an intergovernmental agreement to spend our tax dollars for the stimulus bonds to be an important safeguard that would exist whether or not the referendum requirement applied to these bonds. The county commission has not yet voted on an intergovernmental agreement to use our tax dollars to repay stimulus bonds for the New Broad Street project at the GM site. The commission also would have to vote on any property tax hike for this purpose.

The commissioners absolutely should oppose such an agreement or tax increase. The county is in no position to bear the “risk” and “cost” of a supersized development project using our tax dollars. In a recent article in the Dunwoody Crier (click for link), Commissioner Elaine Boyer appeared to suggest that a majority of the county commission is prepared to reject a tax increase for the GM redevelopment plan.
To make sure this happens, your county commissioners need to hear directly from you. You can find their contact information at web.co.dekalb.ga.us/boc/contact.html if you would like to voice your opposition.

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TLR67
06-21-2010, 11:45 AM
This was attepted last year by that Vernon Idiot and it got shot down quick....

mrmekon
06-21-2010, 11:52 AM
This would be about 20 acres bigger than atlantic station. It certainly should be redeveloped, it would do wonders to the area. Don't really think it should be a publicly funded project though, Atlantic station wasn't. I don't really see the benefit to the county of borrowing money from the Feds and from the rest of us for what is a real gamble in this economy. Thoughts?

Atlantic Station was partially publicly funded, it got some funding through TADs because it was "contaminated" ground. It sounds like the same sort of deal. I don't know how it's doing for the city now, but they didn't finish even 1/5th of the original plan for Atlantic Station. And my CBR600 was stolen there, so I support burning it to the ground and trying again ;)

I don't think the GM plant is a very good location for a big mixed-used complex, and it will probably wreak havoc on traffic since it's so close to a heavily traveled part of 285.

MrBlah
06-21-2010, 12:12 PM
there's only a few places on earth more horrible than atlantic station

mrmekon
06-21-2010, 12:15 PM
Atlantic Station was also hit *hard* by the housing slump, with massive foreclosures starting before it was big news. My roommate is an agent dealing with foreclosures, and Atlantic Station was his cash cow for a while. All of those condos sold for 200%-300% of their real value, and everyone lost their asses.

KTM Rider
06-21-2010, 12:45 PM
there's only a few places on earth more horrible than atlantic station

:rofl:

+1,000,000,000,000,etc.

Butthead
06-21-2010, 01:06 PM
true. anyone who would spend $400K on a 1200 sq ft condo which sits on a super fund site is a moron.


there's only a few places on earth more horrible than atlantic station

wbeck257
06-21-2010, 01:12 PM
Blanke also wants that spot to build a new football stadium...

KTM Rider
06-21-2010, 01:16 PM
true. anyone who would spend $400K on a 1200 sq ft condo which sits on a super fund site is a moron.

and yet many were lining up:lol:

Spicoli
06-21-2010, 01:29 PM
These mixed use residential / commerical developments are by and large failures in metro Atlanta.... Sounds nice on paper, but they're just bad ideas....

MrBlah
06-21-2010, 01:34 PM
These mixed use residential / commerical developments are by and large failures in metro Atlanta.... Sounds nice on paper, but they're just bad ideas....

bingo

how often does one need to go to ikea ? I suppose some of these people may spend a lot there, because they can not afford anything else after paying so much for a condo, I had a gift card for atlantic station that I never used because I did not want to deal with traffic getting into that craphole

a grocery store is the only thing I really want to have nearby

02ep3
06-21-2010, 01:53 PM
I was just at ATL station on Friday and at the time I was thinking to myself that it seems the retail activity there is picking up considerably. However, it seems the residential is still basically empty. But then again, many of the condos all over midtown are empty.

Now with that increase in retail activity, the annoying factor has gone up a 10 fold. It used to be very convenient for me to go to the movies there as I live about 3 miles from ATL station. But of the last two times I've gone there,there have been a gaggle of annoying teenagers that wouldn't STFU during the movie. GRRR. I'm going to have to find a better theatre now. But I digress...

wallypiper
06-21-2010, 02:28 PM
I think the GM site should be redeveloped into another industrial use. It has the utilities, rail service, good highway acess. At least Atlantic Station had the intown mystique as a selling point. Doraville is, well, Doraville. Nothing against anybody here that lives there. It's just that, for most people that even know where Doraville is, it's just a place in between where they are and where they're going. It might make a good mixed use site if you have a 20 or 30 year horizon, but I don't think any potential investor has that.

If the only way to make it fly is putting public money in, it should not happen.

winmutt
06-21-2010, 02:50 PM
Spicoli: urls?

Spicoli
06-21-2010, 03:12 PM
Spicoli: urls?

No url's or internet factoids to provide you with... Look at Atlantic Station, the Avenues of Forsythe, Johns Creek Walk, another mixed use in Forsyth..... the ain't doing well now and weren't doing all that great pre-recession.

More retail shopping for overpriced shyt we don't need, that's made in China, is not what this country needs....

Butthead
06-21-2010, 03:17 PM
yes. mixed use is nice for cities with space concerns and those without cars. that does not fit the atlanta profile.


No url's or internet factoids to provide you with... Look at Atlantic Station, the Avenues of Forsythe, Johns Creek Walk, another mixed use in Forsyth..... the ain't doing well now and weren't doing all that great pre-recession.

More retail shopping for overpriced shyt we don't need, that's made in China, is not what this country needs....

winmutt
06-21-2010, 03:44 PM
yes. mixed use is nice for cities with space concerns and those without cars. that does not fit the atlanta profile.

I disagree, it is also nice for cities with ridiculous traffic, which we do have.

winmutt
06-21-2010, 03:49 PM
No url's or internet factoids to provide you with... Look at Atlantic Station, the Avenues of Forsythe, Johns Creek Walk, another mixed use in Forsyth..... the ain't doing well now and weren't doing all that great pre-recession.


I know that the numbers for Atlantic were disappointing, was wondering if you had seen something recently. Mixed use OTP is pretty much a waste of money and space. Apparently the retail occupancy at Atlantic is 87%, not great but ok.

Ablev1
06-22-2010, 09:36 AM
Blanke also wants that spot to build a new football stadium...


He was shot down by I think DeKalb county.

wbeck257
06-22-2010, 10:11 AM
He'll get his way...

ramm
06-22-2010, 10:15 AM
He was shot down by I think DeKalb county.

Yep he was shot down, I was really hoping that he'd get it.

Spicoli
06-22-2010, 02:13 PM
Yep he was shot down, I was really hoping that he'd get it.

Well....off topic but.... The GA Dome is a crappy place for football stadium for both convenience and tailgating, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the facility other than it has a roof. Tear it off... save some money. Tired of public money being used to finance stadiums....

ramm
06-22-2010, 02:27 PM
The Dome is one of the main reasons I hate going to the games. Traffic is absolutely awful, like you said tailgating is lackluster, and finally watching football in a dome is not watching football.

impalanar
06-22-2010, 02:29 PM
The Dome is one of the main reasons I hate going to the games. Traffic is absolutely awful, like you said tailgating is lackluster, and finally watching football in a dome is not watching football.

And if you take Marta, it is murder getting out of there.