Power Commander III

[SlimDizzleATL]

So I've heard some people say that these dont give any percievable performance gains. Who has one and what are your experiences? I was thinking about getting one and would like some opinions before I spend $230+ on the box and another $245 to dyno tune. TIA

[bigb996]

dyno tunes really cost 245.00? wow....i always had my cars dynoed for a lot less. crazy. Ive always heard good things about PC3, bazazz ive heard good things as well. I wouldn't expect a huge increase if all you have is a slipon.

[SlimDizzleATL]

dyno tunes really cost 245.00? wow....i always had my cars dynoed for a lot less. crazy. Ive always heard good things about PC3, bazazz ive heard good things as well. I wouldn't expect a huge increase if all you have is a slipon.

Well, at least thats what MarMo has on their website. So what else would I need to make it worth while?

[bigb996]

im not an expert or anything in the pc3 dept, but i know from what ive read they are not necessarily needed unless you do a full system. if you change your air filter it would be a good investment. Marmo is top notch so im sure he just would spend more time making sure your getting a sufficient tune. I would expect with a slipon, pc3, and proper tune to see around 7hp or so. someone on here with experience from this could give you a better piece of mind. All my info is just from what ive read.

[Over TWO Customs]

Its all going to depend on the mods you have done, the mods you want to do, and the bike you are doing them on. In general a dyno tune and proper tune for your vehicle will help it run better, more efficiently, and prolong its life. Will you always feel an in your seat difference? Not exactly. Brian Livengood does an excellent job on the dyno as well and I believe the price point is about the same. Just make sure you get a before and after tune dyno printout.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Cool. Thanks for the advise guys. I already have a slip on and plan to get a K&N Filter. I'll have a discusson with Izzy when I go get my oil changed.

[Bill3508]

dyno tunes really cost 245.00? wow....i always had my cars dynoed for a lot less. crazy. Ive always heard good things about PC3, bazazz ive heard good things as well. I wouldn't expect a huge increase if all you have is a slipon.

Dyno runs are cheap, dyno tunes are not. Normally cost around $450 for a dyno tune on a car at a reputable shop. With the added filter and slipon your idle will likely be kind of rough with some surging. The PC will help to smooth that out and add fuel so you won't run lean.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Dyno runs are cheap, dyno tunes are not. Normally cost around $450 for a dyno tune on a car at a reputable shop. With the added filter and slipon your idle will likely be kind of rough with some surging. The PC will help to smooth that out and add fuel so you won't run lean.

Thats the info I was looking for. Thanks.

[bigb996]

Dyno runs are cheap, dyno tunes are not. Normally cost around $450 for a dyno tune on a car at a reputable shop. With the added filter and slipon your idle will likely be kind of rough with some surging. The PC will help to smooth that out and add fuel so you won't run lean.

i never had a problem getting a reputable shop to tune my subi for less than 250.00. i dunno? i can see a nice tune costing a pretty penny though.

[cjbez07]

250 is not bad for a dyno tune.. make sure you get the before and after print outs.. like they said up there.. it smoothes things out for you.. give u better gas milage.. prob not better than stock but better than running lean/rich.. its also better for your motor.. not getting it tuned will give more ware and tare on your whole system.. so best thing u can do is get it tuned.. and not sure about your bike but ask them about the jumper mod.. i know for my bike there is one.. i just did it myself.. by the guy that was going to dyno tune my bike was going to do it for me.. but.. all in all.. get it tuned.. other wise all your add ons will do is more than likely just make your bike worse than stock.. also helps to get it tuned close to where u ride the most bc climate has alot to do with the way your bike runs..

Jaco

[cjbez07]

PS a dyno run shouldnt have to cost more than $20

Jaco

[TroyBoy30]

even fun runs cost more than $20

[KTM Rider]

even fun runs cost more than $20

Think he was talking about a car.

[cjbez07]

even fun runs cost more than $20

sorry correction $25 for a "fun" dyno if you pay more than that then you need to go do it somewhere els..lol

[cjbez07]

Think he was talking about a car.

i was talking about bike.. last dyno i ran was $20 on my bike.. and the time before that was $25

ya you will pay more if the guy pulls his dyno on a trailer and your doing it at like a bike night..or something like that.. but i get mine done and serves depos

[TroyBoy30]

you might find it that cheap at a bike night or something when the trailer it along, but not a reputable shop

[Lazarus]

PC3 and an slip on is a waste of money IMO. If you plan on keeping that bike for a minute I'd upgrade the brake lines and fluid first. Then do frame sliders, swingarm spools and a FE kit if it doesn't already have it. Then I would invest in tires and track time before I did a PC.

[SlimDizzleATL]

PC3 and an slip on is a waste of money IMO. If you plan on keeping that bike for a minute I'd upgrade the brake lines and fluid first. Then do frame sliders, swingarm spools and a FE kit if it doesn't already have it. Then I would invest in tires and track time before I did a PC.

What do frame sliders and swingarm spools have to do with performance? I already have the FE and planned on getting FS...I was just asking about the PCIII, probably be the last mod I do this season.

[Lazarus]

What do frame sliders and swingarm spools have to do with performance? I already have the FE and planned on getting FS...I was just asking about the PCIII, probably be the last mod I do this season.

Who said anything about it being performance? Its personal preference but that bike is plenty fast no need to waste money on go fast mods that aren't really going to do much. I dont know about your bike but most come from the factory leaner for emission reasons so you would get the benefit of tuning that out but I'd rather spend that money on suspension and brake components or track stuff.

[Hammerhead]

I put a PCIII on my Vstrom but I didn't do it for any performance gain, it was because it was running too lean after I installed the slip ons.

[TroyBoy30]

yea i'd rather tune the bike to run rich before I let it ruun lean.

luckily my stock ecu allowed me to have it put into map 2 mode for open pipes and it sill runs rich!

[SlimDizzleATL]

I put a PCIII on my Vstrom but I didn't do it for any performance gain, it was because it was running too lean after I installed the slip ons.

I think that's the case now. I'm going to start with an air filter and go from there.

[Lazarus]

I think that's the case now. I'm going to start with an air filter and go from there.

Whats the case? Isn't you bike stock?

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

PCIII, even if it won't net you MUCH performance gain will smooth out your power delivery, and probably net you a few MPG if done right. This is with a dyno tune by a guy like Huey or one of our other reputable vendors. (My vote's for Huey). Why don't you just call (or better yet, stop by) the shop and talk to him for a few minutes. You'll get more/better info from a professional than all of us keyboard jockeys.

[Woodk61000]

Plugs are cheaper than pistons! The PC3 with a tune could add a few horses but will help the bike run a lot smoother and keep it from leaning out if you got an exhaust or filter upgrade. Its a great upgrade, but I would rather spend my money on track days, new tires, upgraded brakes, suspension set up, and leathers if I had to do it all again.

[TLR67]

Just another point of failure IMO.....

[SlimDizzleATL]

Whats the case? Isn't you bike stock?

No, I have a slip on.


Plugs are cheaper than pistons! The PC3 with a tune could add a few horses but will help the bike run a lot smoother and keep it from leaning out if you got an exhaust or filter upgrade. Its a great upgrade, but I would rather spend my money on track days, new tires, upgraded brakes, suspension set up, and leathers if I had to do it all again.

Im starting to get nervous. I did some poking around and have been reading a lean condition can cause bike damage. It definitely "pops" on deceleration. I would do a track day, but I'd have to get a dedicated bike. So not really on the radar right now.





Just another point of failure IMO.....

How would one even out the fuel/air ratio without one?

[Georgiacbr]

Slim have you made your mind up on buying one?

[Hammerhead]

FWIW I just half assed mine. I looked on their website for a map for an '03 DL1000 with Scorpion slip ons but the closet thing I could find was a map for an '02 with Two Bros. slip ons. Seems to work fine.

[bluerider]

From dealing with headers,cams etc.with the GM crowd with LS1's 2's etc. The PCM's have the ability to adjust to small differences on "flow" . Just today I installed a K&N filter and a MJS mid pipe on my 08 R6 that did away with the cat of course. When I first started it it had some hesitation that the more that it ran the better it got. I have not had a chance to ride it as I just spot welded it in to make sure that all aligned right. (I did this off the bike at work today and nailed it for a perfect fit LOL) So tommorow I will finish the welds and take it for a ride. Does anyone have specific info on a combo such as this as will the PCM adjust the AF mix? I would perfer personal experience please. Thanks

[SlimDizzleATL]

Yeah Eric...Im gonna buy one. Just a matter of when.

[Georgiacbr]

Yeah Eric...Im gonna buy one. Just a matter of when.


See you tommorrow.

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

From dealing with headers,cams etc.with the GM crowd with LS1's 2's etc. The PCM's have the ability to adjust to small differences on "flow" . Just today I installed a K&N filter and a MJS mid pipe on my 08 R6 that did away with the cat of course. When I first started it it had some hesitation that the more that it ran the better it got. I have not had a chance to ride it as I just spot welded it in to make sure that all aligned right. (I did this off the bike at work today and nailed it for a perfect fit LOL) So tommorow I will finish the welds and take it for a ride. Does anyone have specific info on a combo such as this as will the PCM adjust the AF mix? I would perfer personal experience please. Thanks


Cars have a closed loop system that uses one or more O2 sensors in the exhaust to evaluate the richness/leanness of the mixture. I know many newer bikes also use a closed loop system (because I hear about people having bungs for the O2 sensor welded), but does an '04 R6? Does your '08 have an '02 sensor in the exhaust? If no, then it's an open loop system, and the ECU will not be adjusting the mixture.

[bluerider]

Cars have a closed loop system that uses one or more O2 sensors in the exhaust to evaluate the richness/leanness of the mixture. I know many newer bikes also use a closed loop system (because I hear about people having bungs for the O2 sensor welded), but does an '04 R6? Does your '08 have an '02 sensor in the exhaust? If no, then it's an open loop system, and the ECU will not be adjusting the mixture.

Well my 08 does have the 02 sensor in the midpipe and I know it goes in to closed loop so my question is do motorcycle ECU's adapt like car ECU's My guess is yes as since I have started my bike at least 10 times since the install(both filter and midpipe) the throttle responce and fall off to idle have gone to pre mods.

[Desmodude]

Agreed. I have a Dyno and have done Dyno tuning. NiceGuys is 100% correct. If you're street riding and want more power the solution is 1000cc's. If you're on the track, a power commander with a full system heavy head work/porting and megabucks in suspension tuning is the way to go. Otherwise that R6 is a great bike!!

[scoot]

I had an 04 gsxr 600 with yoshi system. It was running a little lean. Had some v stacks installed, and had it teka tuned. Made no signifgant pefrformance gains, but got the fuel mix right (wasnt shooting flames and popping on decel)

I had an 02 duc 998 that I installed a termi half system on. I installed a pc3 with the slip on map. I was showing signs of slightly lean before I installed the fuel map.

So iguess the moral of the story is, pc3 or whatever will help optimize the proper fuel delivery needed for different fuel and air modifications.

[SlimDizzleATL]

Not trying to get 1000cc status. Still not ready for all that yet. Just trying to clean up the power delivery/fuel management a little. Since I got the K&N put on last week, the low end is terrible. I'm gonna get one and let Huey dyno tune it for me, once I get some more scratch.

[Georgiacbr]

Not trying to get 1000cc status. Still not ready for all that yet. Just trying to clean up the power delivery/fuel management a little. Since I got the K&N put on last week, the low end is terrible. I'm gonna get one and let Huey dyno tune it for me, once I get some more scratch.

let me know how this mod's goes LOL just got a text from you now didn't show up tonight had something come up.

Eric

[Todd]

:lol: i love these threads and all the so called "expert advice" being thrown around.

[SlimDizzleATL]

:lol: i love these threads and all the so called "expert advice" being thrown around.

Ummm yeah. Thats why I come here Todd. :up: lol

[TroyBoy30]

waiting on the pcV to be avail for my bike still

[Bill3508]

waiting on the pcV to be avail for my bike still

Might as well get the PCIII as dyno jet has dropped the ball big time on getting the ignition module out for the PCV. I've got the PCV for my FZ1, but the ignition module add a lot to the bike.

[Daddy Kush]

How much does a good filter cost? and what kind should i get for a gsxr 600? 04

[SlimDizzleATL]

How much does a good filter cost? and what kind should i get for a gsxr 600? 04

HiJack!!!!
Just kidding. I assume you mean air filter? Either BMC or K&N. I have a K&N and it ran me around 65-70 bucks.

[Lazarus]

I would just get a regular BMC and not the race filter unless its a track bike.

[Daddy Kush]

Thanks a lot!

[SlimDizzleATL]

So I took the plunge and did my first big DIY project. I installed my PCIII today. I know its now much, but you're talking about a guy that only cleans his chain and has put on a windscreen. So, I loaded one of the generic maps for the R6. First impressions: Throttle response seems to be better. The dead spot from 2-7.5 rpm has been reduced to 2-5k rpm. Seems to be a little more peppy...may just be me. I cant wait to see what it does when a pro has a crack at it with the Dyno.

[Slurppie]

So I took the plunge and did my first big DIY project. I installed my PCIII today. I know its now much, but you're talking about a guy that only cleans his chain and has put on a windscreen. So, I loaded one of the generic maps for the R6. First impressions: Throttle response seems to be better. The dead spot from 2-7.5 rpm has been reduced to 2-5k rpm. Seems to be a little more peppy...may just be me. I cant wait to see what it does when a pro has a crack at it with the Dyno.

Don't forget to set your closed throttle position once the bike has warmed up...