Carrying at the Vortex

[Lazarus]

Anyone have any problems carrying inside?

[ramm]

If it's considered a bar then I don't think you're allowed to carry in the state of Georgia. I don't know what the Vortex would be considered. It will be posted on the wall (business license) somewhere publicly stating whether it's a restaurant or a bar.


You may carry a firearm into a restaurant that serves alcohol (gross annual sales are made up of more than 50% from food, check their business license if you are not sure if they are a bar or restaurant) as long as you do not drink alcohol. (16-11-127)

[Lazarus]

Yea I think its a restaurant though. Too bad you dont know until you get down there and inside.

Edit that. I dont know if its a bar or a restaurant.

[ramm]

I'd lean more towards a restaurant as well.

[TroyBoy30]

never had an issue and i carry every time i go

[Lazarus]

never had an issue and i carry every time i go

Sweet. Thanks Troy.

You too ramm.

[Lazarus]

Finally making my way down there tonight. I dont know if I should go to Little 5 Points or the one in Midtown though. The reviews for the little 5 one says the one in Midtown is better.

[THE MUFFIN MAN]

service at the one in lil 5 sux!

[ramm]

service at the one in lil 5 sux!

Agreed!

[TarzanMan]

I don't think the one in Midtown has a bike night.

I have only eaten at the Little 5 location once.

[Lazarus]

So is the consensus to go to the Midtown location? Midtown doesnt have parking though does it?

[KTM Rider]

service at the one in lil 5 sux!

thats your problem...you havent been packing:up: it speeds it right up.

[TroyBoy30]

service at the one in lil 5 sux!

agreed

make sure you read the rules! they don't tollerate dumb people laz! :p:

http://www.thevortexbarandgrill.com/


thats your problem...you havent been packing:up: it speeds it right up.

:rofl:

[Lazarus]

agreed

make sure you read the rules! they don't tollerate dumb people laz! :p:

http://www.thevortexbarandgrill.com/


Yup, I've read the rules before. :D

[Woodk61000]

I carry everywhere I go. REGARDLESS. As long as no one "F"s up bad enough for me to pull it out, they will never see it. If you are open carrying at any time though, you are asking to get bothered.

[Perry73779]

Not a bar. Bars are not open on Sunday. Midtown has no parking. Little five does. Midtown is bigger. Both are good. I prefer midtown.

[THE MUFFIN MAN]

thats your problem...you havent been packing:up: it speeds it right up.lol, i should come in like Eastwood!

[Georgiacbr]

I don't think the one in Midtown has a bike night.

I have only eaten at the Little 5 location once.

They don't that I know of (Midtown location bike night). Little 5 is the active one been going for 9 year's now . I recall when I moved here in 2000 the shell station near Howell mill road was the place to be and then a few miles down the road would be all the stunting. Times have changed and now the stunting is done at Turner but it's close to the same crowd. About the Vortex the food is highly desirable. I've never had any issues with the service at the little 5 point's location.

[jkhonea]

Not a bar. Bars are not open on Sunday. Midtown has no parking. Little five does. Midtown is bigger. Both are good. I prefer midtown.

Bars aren't open Sundays? Where are you talking about? And The Vortex IS designated as a bar. They did that to gain the ability to allow smoking.

[ramm]

Not a bar. Bars are not open on Sunday. Midtown has no parking. Little five does. Midtown is bigger. Both are good. I prefer midtown.

Ummm what? Bars are totally open on Sundays.

[jkhonea]

Ummm what? Bars are totally open on Sundays.

Glad I'm not the only one curious about that.

[Perry73779]

There is a difference between a restaurant with a bar and a straight up bar. If they do not receive more than 50% of their income from food, they cannot be open on Sundays. If they make more than 50% they can.
<O:p
The Vortex is a restaurant with a bar attached. They make more than 50% of their income off food. As for the smoking part, they allow smoking so they cannot legally allow anyone under 18 in since GA law says that. That has nothing to do with their designation as a "bar."<O:p</O:p
<O:p
We had a GCO lunch there. Around 30 people, most OCing. No one noticed until we gave the waitress a card to say who we were.

The owner is libertarian.<O:p</O:p

[Back Marker]

if i remember correctly, carrying in bars was passed recently in GA (Sb 308).


(b) A person shall be guilty of carrying a weapon or long gun in an unauthorized location and punished as for a misdemeanor when he or she carries a weapon or long gun while:
(1) In a government building;
(2) In a courthouse;
(3) In a jail or prison;
(4) In a place of worship;
(5) In a state mental health facility as defined in Code Section 37-1-1 which admits individuals on an involuntary basis for treatment of mental illness, developmental disability, or addictive disease; provided, however, that carrying a weapon or long gun in such location in a manner in compliance with paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of this Code section shall not constitute a violation of this subsection;
(6) In a bar, unless the owner of the bar permits the carrying of weapons or long guns by license holders;


-a|ex

[Perry73779]

if i remember correctly, carrying in bars was passed recently in GA (Sb 308).



-a|ex

Except it is not a bar. The Cheetah is a bar. Halo is a bar. Opera is a bar. The Vortex is a restaurant.

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

There is a difference between a restaurant with a bar and a straight up bar. If they do not receive more than 50% of their income from food, they cannot be open on Sundays. If they make more than 50% they can.
<O:p
The Vortex is a restaurant with a bar attached. They make more than 50% of their income off food. As for the smoking part, they allow smoking so they cannot legally allow anyone under 18 in since GA law says that. That has nothing to do with their designation as a "bar."<O:p</O:p
<O:p
We had a GCO lunch there. Around 30 people, most OCing. No one noticed until we gave the waitress a card to say who we were.

The owner is libertarian.<O:p</O:p

I'd like a reference for the bars can't be open on Sundays statement. Cuz I call BS. Cuz Diamond Dave's is open on Sundays, Runaround Sue's is open on Sundays, Sidelines is open on Sundays, Dave and Busters is open on Sundays, Twisted Taco is open on Sundays, Hole in the Wall is open on Sundays, Ri Ra's is open on Sundays, Flip Flops is open on Sundays, Tilted Kilt is open on Sundays..... NONE of those is a restaurant first. Hell, I go to bars on Sundays specifically because I can drink a beer or two when I can't buy one anywhere else.

[Perry73779]

I'd like a reference for the bars can't be open on Sundays statement. Cuz I call BS. Cuz Diamond Dave's is open on Sundays, Runaround Sue's is open on Sundays, Sidelines is open on Sundays, Dave and Busters is open on Sundays, Twisted Taco is open on Sundays, Hole in the Wall is open on Sundays, Ri Ra's is open on Sundays, Flip Flops is open on Sundays, Tilted Kilt is open on Sundays..... NONE of those is a restaurant first. Hell, I go to bars on Sundays specifically because I can drink a beer or two when I can't buy one anywhere else.

"Diamond Dave’s is infamous in Kennesaw. Although its name’s changed a few times down the years, the mission never wavered: a late-night, anything goes bar. Oddly, it considers itself a steakhouse -- as reflected within the menu – but the live music, drink specials and closing time won’t fool you into thinking so. "

"As one of the premiere restaurants in Marietta, Runaround Sue's caters to an older clientele"

"Our restaurants have locations all over Atlanta and we featurelive music, local events, and have the best in sports entertainment. Whether you are looking for a great southwestern restaurant to bring the family, or simply want to mingle with other locals, Twisted Taco gives you the ultimate experience for a night on the town"

Hole in the Wall = not open on Sundays according to their website.

"Rí Rá Holdings, LLC is the parent company of the Ri Ra Irish Pubs & Restaurant group"

Flip Flops hours of operation - Hours: Wed-Sat 5pm-2am

Welcome to the Tilted Kilt Pub & Eatery.

Each one of those that is called an Bar is legally a restaurant. They have to receive 50% business from food. I know Tilted Kilt does. They have a kid's menu. Not many "bars" are going to have a kid's menu.

Just because a singular place sells a ton of alcohol, does not classify them legally as a bar, they must sell more alcohol than food to legally be a bar. And when they cross that threshold, they will be closed on Sundays.

There are a few actual bars that are open on Sundays, but they are not allowed to sell alcohol on that day.

Here is the link to classifications. https://etax.dor.ga.gov/alcoholretailer/

You can use that link to check the name of any place that sells alcohol and it will say if they are legally a restaurant.

[wallypiper]

Some pertinent excerpts from state law:

First is the general prohibition of sales of alcoholic beverages on Sunday.


§ 3-3-20. Sale of alcoholic beverages on Sundays, election days, and Christmas Day

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d) of this Code section or except as specifically authorized by law, no person knowingly and intentionally shall sell or offer to sell alcoholic beverages on Sunday.

Then, various exceptions:

"§ 3-3-7. Local authorization and regulation of sales of alcoholic beverages on Sunday "


(2) Alcoholic beverages may be sold on Sundays between the hours of 12:30 P.M. and 12:00 Midnight in public stadiums, coliseums, and auditoriums with a seating capacity in excess of 3,500 persons and in eating establishments. As used in this paragraph, the term "eating establishment" means an establishment which is licensed to sell distilled spirits, malt beverages, or wines and which derives at least 50 percent of its total annual gross food and beverage sales from the sale of prepared meals or food.


(2) Alcoholic beverages may be sold on Sundays between the hours of 12:30 P.M. and 12:00 Midnight in public stadiums, coliseums, and auditoriums with a seating capacity in excess of 3,500 persons; in eating establishments; and in locally designated special entertainment districts. As used in this paragraph, the term "eating establishment" means an establishment which is licensed to sell distilled spirits, malt beverages, or wines and which derives at least 50 percent of its total annual gross food and beverage sales from the sale of prepared meals or food. As used in this paragraph, the term "special entertainment districts" means contiguous properties upon which is located a festival marketplace and entertainment project which is financed in whole or in part by public funds and which contains a minimum of 200,000 square feet of gross leasable space for retail sales and entertainment purposes and which is located in the central business district of any such municipality if more than 50 percent of such contiguous properties are owned or controlled by a governmental entity.

It's a long section of the state code with lots of very specific rules and regulations but it boils down to "Perry is correct." Only businesses that derive at least 50% of their annual sales from food can serve alcohol on Sunday, with some very specific exceptions. If you know of a place that serves alcohol on Sunday, then they must be deriving 50% of their income from food. It may not look like it at the times when you go there, but many places that seem to be mostly bars at night sell a lot of food without any drinks at other times of day.

[KTM Rider]

Think about the old clubs in Buckhead. They were "bars". They were closed on Sunday.

[TLR67]

If you need to carry in a Bar then maybe you should select a different drinking hole...

[Back Marker]

If you need to carry in a Bar then maybe you should select a different drinking hole...

that's not the point of ccw...

-a|ex

[TLR67]

that's not the point of ccw...

-a|ex

No Shit??

[ramm]

:rofl:

[Back Marker]

it's like a helmet or seatbelt.... it's there when it's needed not because you are going kneedragging or driving unsafe. people ccw in both safe and dangerous areas. they don't ccw just because they go to dangerous places. btw, i don't ccw, i have friends that do.

-a|ex

[Mongo]

Couple things, Vortex Little 5 service is fine unless you're expecting to be waited on hand and foot on a Thursday when it's slammed with a bunch of demanding non tipping squids. Bike night has been there for a lot longer than 9 years too... Midtown definitely no bike night.

[jkhonea]

I was going to say, we go to Vortex whenever we can get a sitter for Mason, and as long as it isn't Thursday, we've always had exceptional service. And we've gone there for many, many years.

[Seca]

There is a difference between a restaurant with a bar and a straight up bar. If they do not receive more than 50% of their income from food, they cannot be open on Sundays. If they make more than 50% they can.
<O:p
The Vortex is a restaurant with a bar attached. They make more than 50% of their income off food. As for the smoking part, they allow smoking so they cannot legally allow anyone under 18 in since GA law says that. That has nothing to do with their designation as a "bar."<O:p</O:p
<O:p
We had a GCO lunch there. Around 30 people, most OCing. No one noticed until we gave the waitress a card to say who we were.

The owner is libertarian.<O:p</O:p

I OC there and did that day also.


If you need to carry in a Bar then maybe you should select a different drinking hole...

I like my watering hole. I carry there every time we go.

[TLR67]

I OC there and did that day also.



I like my watering hole. I carry there every time we go.

Not everyone goes to Buttheads Moms place...

[jkhonea]

Not everyone goes to Buttheads Moms place...

You've gotta have the gun to get away from her when you're done. :D

[johnm1117]

This is too funny. Here's how I see it. If you feel the need to carry into a eatery, then don't go. I go out to dinner, my gun stays in my car. If I have to carry a gun to eat, I stay home. Whats the deal with having to carry a handgun every where you go. I have a permit & the gun stays in my car. I feel safe in my local eatery. Why put yourself in a situation. Its not the wildwest having to be packin just to go out & eat.

[Back Marker]

This is too funny. Here's how I see it. If you feel the need to carry into a eatery, then don't go. I go out to dinner, my gun stays in my car. If I have to carry a gun to eat, I stay home. Whats the deal with having to carry a handgun every where you go. I have a permit & the gun stays in my car. I feel safe in my local eatery. Why put yourself in a situation. Its not the wildwest having to be packin just to go out & eat.

why do you carry in the first place? it's also safe to take money out of a bank machine. i've never ever been a victim of a violent crime. why would you have a need to carry anywhere at all? i'm being sarcastic. you either carry or you don't, it's that simple. i dont' carry and will take my chances.

good luck when you need your gun and it's locked in your car or you find that after eating, someone broke into your car and may now be used in a crime. my buddy's car has been broken into several times while he was at dinner in his local eatery. he's smart enough to keep his firearm with him.

-a|ex

[Seca]

This is too funny. Here's how I see it. If you feel the need to carry into a eatery, then don't go. I go out to dinner, my gun stays in my car. If I have to carry a gun to eat, I stay home. Whats the deal with having to carry a handgun every where you go. I have a permit & the gun stays in my car. I feel safe in my local eatery. Why put yourself in a situation. Its not the wildwest having to be packin just to go out & eat.

Thats like leaving your riding gear at home if your "just going to the mountains" to ride. :rolleyes:

[Seca]

She did'nt think she needed a gun at an eatery either......


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[NiceGuysFinishLast]

Thats like leaving your riding gear at home if your "just going to the mountains" to ride. :rolleyes:


I don't need a seatbelt, I'm just going autocrossing.

[Woodk61000]

I dont "NEED" my gun to go anywhere I go. But if I can have it in my pocket and it doesnt hender me from doing anything else (its in my pocket right now as im sitting at my desk typing this) then I dont see why ANYONE would have a problem or a critical remark about me carrying. If I had a 12guage hanging off my back, that might be a different story. Remember, its not there to intimidate or anything else, its there just incase I need it.

[Da_LowCountry_Rider]

I usually carry when Im riding to the mountains, but sometimes its a little uncomfortable while I'm riding. I use a shoulder harness holster, but its a little bulky under my arms. How are you guys carrying, while riding?

[Mongo]

Inside the waistband, small of back if I'm wearing it. Lot of times it's just in my tail bag on the bike.

[Lazarus]

I usually carry when Im riding to the mountains, but sometimes its a little uncomfortable while I'm riding. I use a shoulder harness holster, but its a little bulky under my arms. How are you guys carrying, while riding?

I'm looking for an IWB holster with a retention strap. Does anyone carry on the bike IWB or OWB without a jacket? Where your shirt raises and its visible? I know OC is legal but wondering if you've ever gotten stopped or what kind of looks do you get?

[jkhonea]

I'm looking for an IWB holster with a retention strap. Does anyone carry on the bike IWB or OWB without a jacket? Where your shirt raises and its visible? I know OC is legal but wondering if you've ever gotten stopped or what kind of looks do you get?

Mongo won't be able to answer that question for you too terribly good. When people stare at him, it has nothing to do with his gun. They're just concerned he's going to try eating them. :crackup:

[Lazarus]

Mongo dont you carry a G26? Or is that Huey?

[Mongo]

I carry a few different things, one of which was a G26 but it spends most of it's time in the safe lately.

[Lazarus]

I carry a few different things, one of which was a G26 but it spends most of it's time in the safe lately.

Oh ok. I was thought you said you had one. What kind of holster do you carry it in?

[Da_LowCountry_Rider]

I'm looking for an IWB holster with a retention strap. Does anyone carry on the bike IWB or OWB without a jacket? Where your shirt raises and its visible? I know OC is legal but wondering if you've ever gotten stopped or what kind of looks do you get?

Oh ok, I found the shoulder harness to be convenient for myself because I can hide the visibility of my gun with my jacket or even while wearing a polo or button down shirt. The strap harness latches onto my belt loops or belt, which tightens/slims the sides out and makes it seem like I'm not carrying at all. I don't like to draw too much attention to myself by having it visible for people to see or even just having a cop stop me to question me about it. But, thats my reason for getting the shoulder harness

[Lazarus]

Oh ok, I found the shoulder harness to be convenient for myself because I can hide the visibility of my gun with my jacket or even while wearing a polo or button down shirt. The strap harness latches onto my belt loops or belt, which tightens/slims the sides out and makes it seem like I'm not carrying at all. I don't like to draw too much attention to myself by having it visible for people to see or even just having a cop stop me to question me about it. But, thats my reason for getting the shoulder harness

I certainly understand that but I'm not prepared to spend $100+ on a decent Galco or Desanti shoulder holster, although I DO want one.

[Da_LowCountry_Rider]

I certainly understand that but I'm not prepared to spend $100+ on a decent Galco or Desanti shoulder holster, although I DO want one.

Oh ok. I think I spent under a 100 for my harness. My brand is called "Passport". It might be a little outta your way, but I bought it from "Bull's Eye Indoor Range & Gun Shop" in Duluth Ga.

[Seca]

I'm looking for an IWB holster with a retention strap. Does anyone carry on the bike IWB or OWB without a jacket? Where your shirt raises and its visible? I know OC is legal but wondering if you've ever gotten stopped or what kind of looks do you get?

I OC OWB on the DRZ/WR all the time when I am just goofing off around town. Never been stopped. I get some looks here and there but doesnt bother me.

[Mongo]

Oh ok. I was thought you said you had one. What kind of holster do you carry it in?

Galco leather IWB, got the left hand draw one so when it's in the small of my back it's a right hand draw.

[Seca]

http://www.chiefsupply.com/images/products/600/LEA003.jpg

I use a bianchi carry lok.

[SquireSCA]

If you need to carry in a Bar then maybe you should select a different drinking hole...

If you carry as a general rule, rather than on what particular street address you think that you might end up at during some point of the day, it sorta defeats the purpose of CCW.

Personally, I carry everywhere and it is always concealed. I see people now starting to carry openly and I think that it is asking to get hassled. There is some guy at the Hooters bike night that rides in on his bike, no gloves, sneakers, shorts and a polo shirt every week, with a Glock strapped to his side for all to see.

I think that if someone is carrying openly, they usually do it to show off or intimidate people because they can.

I prefer to keep it concealed and keep my tactical advantage and not draw attention to myself.

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

If you carry as a general rule, rather than on what particular street address you think that you might end up at during some point of the day, it sorta defeats the purpose of CCW.

Personally, I carry everywhere and it is always concealed. I see people now starting to carry openly and I think that it is asking to get hassled. There is some guy at the Hooters bike night that rides in on his bike, no gloves, sneakers, shorts and a polo shirt every week, with a Glock strapped to his side for all to see.

I think that if someone is carrying openly, they usually do it to show off or intimidate people because they can.

I prefer to keep it concealed and keep my tactical advantage and not draw attention to myself.

Dave, while I agree with you, for the most part about carrying concealed just because I wouldn't want people to know I had it, 99% of the time, there are some situations where open carry is useful. One of my fraternity brothers lives downtown with his 3 puppies and his girlfriend. When they go out late at night to walk the dogs, he open carries.. The bums leave them alone. That's an accomplishment.

[KTM Rider]

I prefer to keep it concealed and keep my tactical advantage and not draw attention to myself.

I agree and do the same but my tactical advantage is my Nike shoes unless I am absolutely forced otherwise:up:

[SquireSCA]

Dave, while I agree with you, for the most part about carrying concealed just because I wouldn't want people to know I had it, 99% of the time, there are some situations where open carry is useful. One of my fraternity brothers lives downtown with his 3 puppies and his girlfriend. When they go out late at night to walk the dogs, he open carries.. The bums leave them alone. That's an accomplishment.

Sure, there are always exceptions, but I am talking about riding around like a squid, or sitting there at Burger King in line with moms and a bunch of kids with a huge handgun open on your side. I am starting to see that now, and I know that it is because they just enjoy the attention and the shock value.

[Back Marker]

this past weekend, i was with my family at steak and shake in newnan and a gentleman with his family came into the restaurant. he was open carrying. it didn't attract any unwanted attention from the patrons or employees. i noticed it like everyone else but went about our ways.

-a|ex

[Seca]

If you carry as a general rule, rather than on what particular street address you think that you might end up at during some point of the day, it sorta defeats the purpose of CCW.

Personally, I carry everywhere and it is always concealed. I see people now starting to carry openly and I think that it is asking to get hassled. There is some guy at the Hooters bike night that rides in on his bike, no gloves, sneakers, shorts and a polo shirt every week, with a Glock strapped to his side for all to see.

I think that if someone is carrying openly, they usually do it to show off or intimidate people because they can.

I prefer to keep it concealed and keep my tactical advantage and not draw attention to myself.


Sure, there are always exceptions, but I am talking about riding around like a squid, or sitting there at Burger King in line with moms and a bunch of kids with a huge handgun open on your side. I am starting to see that now, and I know that it is because they just enjoy the attention and the shock value.

I open carry 90% of the time I carry. Has nothig to do with showing off or wanting attention. Let me correct that. In the summer I normally CC cause I have shorts and an untucked t-short on. When its cooler outside I wear jeans and always have my shirt tucked in exposing my firearm. I find OC tons more comfy than shoving an IWB holster in my pants. Some think that guys riding full gear on their bikes when just going for a cruise around town do it for attention. It doesnt matter really, both cases are for safety.

[Seca]

this past weekend, i was with my family at steak and shake in newnan and a gentleman with his family came into the restaurant. he was open carrying. it didn't attract any unwanted attention from the patrons or employees. i noticed it like everyone else but went about our ways.

-a|ex

AMEN!! I rarely get a second look when OC. But according to Dave I am looking for attention. Maybe I need to start waving my arms and yelling so people will notice me since that is all I am looking for.

[SquireSCA]

this past weekend, i was with my family at steak and shake in newnan and a gentleman with his family came into the restaurant. he was open carrying. it didn't attract any unwanted attention from the patrons or employees. i noticed it like everyone else but went about our ways.

-a|ex

Again, as with any blanket statement, it is not a universal rule but rather a generality.

The guy that is so concerned about his safety at bike night that he has to carry a Glock 22 on his hip, isn't concerned enough about his safety to wear gloves, a jacket, pants or to swap out his tennis shoes for boots. And statistically, you are about 100x as likely to get into a bike accident as you are to get involved in an armed assault.

Plus, you run the risk of whatever restaurant or place you go to, to ask you to leave. The law says that you can carry in those places, but the law also states that the owner of the property can exercise his rights and ask you to leave if he doesn't want firearms in his establishment.

I carry for defense. Maybe there are some cases where carrying open, like the example of being alone outside at night, can deter a crime. But in general, I carry for defense and nobody needs to see it because I am not out there to show off as a GUN OWNER and all that crap.

[SquireSCA]

I open carry 90% of the time I carry. Has nothig to do with showing off or wanting attention. Let me correct that. In the summer I normally CC cause I have shorts and an untucked t-short on. When its cooler outside I wear jeans and always have my shirt tucked in exposing my firearm. I find OC tons more comfy than shoving an IWB holster in my pants. Some think that guys riding full gear on their bikes when just going for a cruise around town do it for attention. It doesnt matter really, both cases are for safety.

I understand that, and I am not saying that EVERYONE does it for attention. But you know that the second that law passed, there were tons of guys that were excited because they now get to carry openly. You know the guys I am talking about. You see them at gun shows, you see them at the local gun shops. There is an air of paranoia around them and they are a little "too into guns" where it kinda creeps you out. LOL

I love them for the machines that they are, I enjoy shooting and I am a staunch supporter of the 2AM, but there is a line somewhere where it goes from being a fan and supporting the Constitution, to more of an obsession with paranoia mixed in.

I think that it is their right to do so if they want, I am not disputing that. I just ask myself, "why would you?"... If there is an actual need, fine, but we both know of gun owners that do it just because they can, and just because they like the attention.

[TroyBoy30]

open carry can't be about attention or dave would do it!

:stirpot:

[ftp]

I understand that, and I am not saying that EVERYONE does it for attention. But you know that the second that law passed, there were tons of guys that were excited because they now get to carry openly. You know the guys I am talking about. You see them at gun shows, you see them at the local gun shops. There is an air of paranoia around them and they are a little "too into guns" where it kinda creeps you out. LOL

I love them for the machines that they are, I enjoy shooting and I am a staunch supporter of the 2AM, but there is a line somewhere where it goes from being a fan and supporting the Constitution, to more of an obsession with paranoia mixed in.

I think that it is their right to do so if they want, I am not disputing that. I just ask myself, "why would you?"... If there is an actual need, fine, but we both know of gun owners that do it just because they can, and just because they like the attention.
some people talk about their personal life and show off everytime they get a new bike online for attention..You are a hypocrite, you do the exact same thing but with a different medium.

[Seca]

some people talk about their personal life and show off everytime they get a new bike online for attention..You are a hypocrite, you do the exact same thing but with a different medium.

ftp ftw

[SquireSCA]

some people talk about their personal life and show off everytime they get a new bike online for attention..You are a hypocrite, you do the exact same thing but with a different medium.

Every single person in this forum does exactly what you are describing. The only difference is that some of us buy more bikes than others. If you buy 2 bikes in a year, you get congrats. If you buy 6, you are a showoff.

Would you like me to post links to every thread where someone posts about their getting a new car? New truck? New gun? New house? New bike? New dirt bike? New helmet? New bike camera? Shall I continue?

The truth is that 99% of the users here, at the very least, post up the specs and pics of their new bike. Everyone does it. All that changes is the frequency. If you post pics of your new bike every year, nobody will say a thing. Post up 3 or 5 bikes a year, and suddenly you are a jerk trying to get attention?

Why? Because a bike every year or so is not enough to make some people jealous. Getting 5 is.

But in the end it isn't about you, it is about the person that feels jealous. Its their issue. It is how they interpret things when they see someone else doing something that they cannot do or choose not to do.

If I came to the forum and had a bike and 2 years later got a new one, nobody would even think to say anything negative. But what has changed? How I post? The pics? What?

Nothing. The determining factor is quantity. There is an arbitrary number in most people's heads in this forum, and if you cross over that line, then you are bragging, showing off, et all.

Of course if you head over to a Ducati forum or something, you will see people with 10+ Ducs in the garage and they won't give a damn what you buy or how often, and they won't give you shit about it either.

So what forum has more snobs? LOL

[SquireSCA]

ftp ftw

Only if you consider a cheap jab without any logic or substance behind it to be a win.

If that is the case, he will beat me every time. ;-)

[ramm]

ding ding ding, here we go.

[SquireSCA]

ding ding ding, here we go.

Of course. And watch who gets blamed. LOL

It is human nature. I am not posting anything profound here, am I?

When someone pulls up in a new Mustang, the average Joe thinks, "Cool car, nice".

When the guy pulls up on a new Ferrari, what does the average Joe think? They may think the car is cool, but the average person will also make a snide comment about "mid life crisis", "Trying to compensate", etc...

We all know that this happens. But what is the difference between the two situation? The only difference is that most people can afford a Mustang, while most of us will never be able to afford a Ferrari. But the guys might be just as nice, just as laid back, be just as cool... but a lot of people will put the Ferrari owner into a negative light out if jealousy, if we are honest with ourselves.

I just don't think that way. If you buy one bike, I am happy for you. If you buy 1 bike a month, I will be just as excited, and want to see pics, and congratulate you each and every time. That's just how I am. I don't get jealous or resent people for having what I only wish I could have. If you can have it, more power to you. I won't give you shit about it.

And if you post pics every time, why would I care? It's a bike forum, this is where you are supposed to talk about bikes, what you ride, what you are doing, etc... Is that really so crazy? LOL

[Back Marker]

there is nothing wrong with a gun enthusiast open carrying just to show off. some may find it disturbing that those that dress in ghetto clothing also open carry. if a clean cut well dressed person open carries, it's okay. if a gang wannabe open carries, step back or flee.

i choose not to carry at all because it makes me feel obligated to hunt bad guys. if i did carry, it would be concealed because i look like a bum most of the time and i'm sometimes mistaken for a mexican (illegal alien). a few days ago, i dropped off my wife at south fulton medical center for work related training. it' located in east point. i sure wished i was packing.

-a|ex

one of these days, i'm going to wear a black suit with sunglasses and open carry my fnh ps90. that would be a great attention getter.

[Georgiacbr]

ding ding ding, here we go.

Chris what brand of popcorn do you have so we can all watch this thread LOL.

[ramm]

there is nothing wrong with a gun enthusiast open carrying just to show off. some may find it disturbing that those that dress in ghetto clothing also open carry. if a clean cut well dressed person open carries, it's okay. if a gang wannabe open carries, step back or flee.


The reason that happens is because you're more likely to be robbed in that situation. I get nervous when I see a 'gangsta' strapped up no doubt. But then I start realizing he probably can't aim. There was a video of a shootout in some club this year and there was like 80 something rounds fired and not a single person was hit. :lol:

edit: found it! not as many shots as I thought, but still funny.

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[ramm]

Chris what brand of popcorn do you have so we can all watch this thread LOL.

Orville of course!

[SquireSCA]

Chris what brand of popcorn do you have so we can all watch this thread LOL.

:-)

What's to watch?

SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!

1) Usual suspects make comments that they think will insult me, based on stupid things like jealousy which they know to be true but will pretend otherwise.
2) Dave is having a lite day at work and is a bit bored and so will oblige and answer the trouble-makers and show them why they are wrong, using examples, and give them the attention that their insults were designed to produce.
3) Much drama will ensue, all the while people maintain that drama is a BSB thing, not a GSB thing.
4) When people realize that their arguments don't really hold water, they will get nasty and personal attacks will start flying.
5) The people that started it, will blame Dave.
6) Todd will step in and side against me and move this to the Bone Yard.
7) Everyone laughs.

There, I just saved you 4 hours out of your day. You don't have to thank me, just buy me a soda the next time we ride together. ;-)

[SquireSCA]

The reason that happens is because you're more likely to be robbed in that situation. I get nervous when I see a 'gangsta' strapped up no doubt. But then I start realizing he probably can't aim. There was a video of a shootout in some club this year and there was like 80 something rounds fired and not a single person was hit. :lol:

edit: found it! not as many shots as I thought, but still funny.

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That's a good point.

Although, one would assume that a gangsta looking dude openly carrying, usually has a permit as that is the first person that the cops are gonna hassle, and they probably won't be polite about it.

[ramm]

:-)

What's to watch?

SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!

1) Usual suspects make comments that they think will insult me, based on stupid things like jealousy which they know to be true but will pretend otherwise.
2) Dave is having a lite day at work and is a bit bored and so will oblige and answer the trouble-makers and show them why they are wrong, using examples, and give them the attention that their insults were designed to produce.
3) Much drama will ensue, all the while people maintain that drama is a BSB thing, not a GSB thing.
4) When people realize that their arguments don't really hold water, they will get nasty and personal attacks will start flying.
5) The people that started it, will blame Dave.
6) Todd will step in and side against me and move this to the Bone Yard.
7) Everyone laughs.

There, I just saved you 4 hours out of your day. You don't have to thank me, just buy me a soda the next time we ride together. ;-)

:rofl:

[Lazarus]

I personally like Jolly Time Blast O Butter:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rYV3a6VIL.jpg

[SquireSCA]

And if you are eating popcorn watching this, make sure you watch it with your girl, and cut a hole on the bottom of the popcorn bucket... ;-)

[Back Marker]

The reason that happens is because you're more likely to be robbed in that situation. I get nervous when I see a 'gangsta' strapped up no doubt. But then I start realizing he probably can't aim. There was a video of a shootout in some club this year and there was like 80 something rounds fired and not a single person was hit. :lol:

that's true. as many times i've been at the range, i have yet to see a gansta wannabe target shooting. occasionally, i see a mall ninja (tactical gear) once in awhile but it's mostly the average citizens.

is this the video?

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the fire fight ends when they are all out of rounds. it's very hard to hit a target at 7 yards if one is panicking and doesn't have any training. this is a good example.

-a|ex

edit ---> damn, you guys are fast...

[ramm]

Mall Ninja, now that's funny. :lol:

[Seca]

:-)

What's to watch?

SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!

1) Usual suspects make comments that they think will insult me, based on stupid things like jealousy which they know to be true but will pretend otherwise. Why would folks be jealous of you? I bet most on here could afford multiple bikes but choose not to.
2) Dave is having a lite day at work and is a bit bored and so will oblige and answer the trouble-makers and show them why they are wrong, using examples, and give them the attention that their insults were designed to produce. i dont think you showed anyone that they were wrong. No one can be wrong on this thread. It only has opinions.
3) Much drama will ensue, all the while people maintain that drama is a BSB thing, not a GSB thing.no drama will ensue.
4) When people realize that their arguments don't really hold water, they will get nasty and personal attacks will start flying.ftp took a shot, i agreed. I didnt think it was nasty.
5) The people that started it, will blame Dave.how could we you are never to blame
6) Todd will step in and side against me and move this to the Bone Yard.see above
7) Everyone laughs.Arent we all here for entertainment?

There, I just saved you 4 hours out of your day. You don't have to thank me, just buy me a soda the next time we ride together. ;-)

BTW -when I see a "gangsta" strapped I dont get nervous. Just a gun toter that dresses different than I do. How often do you see a criminal OC'n?

[TroyBoy30]

that's true. as many times i've been at the range, i have yet to see a gansta wannabe target shooting. occasionally, i see a mall ninja (tactical gear) once in awhile but it's mostly the average citizens.

is this the video?

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the fire fight ends when they are all out of rounds. it's very hard to hit a target at 7 yards if one is panicking and doesn't have any training. this is a good example.

-a|ex

edit ---> damn, you guys are fast...

thats just sad!

[SquireSCA]

BTW -when I see a "gangsta" strapped I dont get nervous. Just a gun toter that dresses different than I do. How often do you see a criminal OC'n?

Let me answer your questions once at a time, as I enjoy my wonderful slice of coconut cake...

1) I don't know. I don't think that they should be, but the actions of some indicate that they are. There is no other logical reason for it, frankly.
2) I think that I show people where they are wrong most of the time. Certainly not all of the time, I have been wrong and admitted it. But I am right more often than not.
3) That remains to be seen, a few of the usual suspects have not arrived on the scene yet. LOL
4) Not yet, it soon will be, it usually does and I rarely initiate it.
5) Nice attempt to side-step the obvious by ignoring what you know is standard operating procedure here and instead taking another jab at me. That's ok, I have thick skin.
6) See above.
7) Yes, on that we agree. Some just take it much more seriously than I do. :-)

Oh, and about the gangsta with OC, I made that point to someone else, that if a gangsta looking guy is OC, I assume he has a permit else the cops would have tasered him 2 minutes after he left his crib.

[ramm]

BTW -when I see a "gangsta" strapped I dont get nervous. Just a gun toter that dresses different than I do. How often do you see a criminal OC'n?

I see it tucked in the sweat pants a lot actually. (I'm downtown often)

[Seca]

Let me answer your questions once at a time, as I enjoy my wonderful slice of coconut cake...

1) I don't know. I don't think that they should be, but the actions of some indicate that they are. There is no other logical reason for it, frankly.
2) I think that I show people where they are wrong most of the time. Certainly not all of the time, I have been wrong and admitted it. But I am right more often than not.
3) That remains to be seen, a few of the usual suspects have not arrived on the scene yet. LOL
4) Not yet, it soon will be, it usually does and I rarely initiate it.
5) Nice attempt to side-step the obvious by ignoring what you know is standard operating procedure here and instead taking another jab at me. That's ok, I have thick skin.
6) See above.
7) Yes, on that we agree. Some just take it much more seriously than I do. :-)

Oh, and about the gangsta with OC, I made that point to someone else, that if a gangsta looking guy is OC, I assume he has a permit else the cops would have tasered him 2 minutes after he left his crib.


#5 I did not side step anything. Nor did I take a jab. Saying you are never to blame is like saying folks that OC are only looking for attention.

[SquireSCA]

#5 I did not side step anything. Nor did I take a jab. Saying you are never to blame is like saying folks that OC are only looking for attention.

I said that a lot, or most, and the example that I used was pretty clear.

That is the problem with generalities. They are by definition, generally true, but not absolute. And of course everyone immediately thinks you are talking about THEM(guilty conscience perhaps) and gets defensive.

For some reason, you are not supposed to buy more than a given number of bikes. If you do, people resent you for it, even if your way of posting and talking is not at all different than the guy that posts about his one bike.

Or the guy that says during a conversation that he makes $30k a year. Nobody blinks an eye because it is average. If a guy says he makes $300k, then he is bragging and what he said is deemed inappropriate.

Or the guy that says he can bench 140lbs, is ignored. The guy who claims 400lbs, is some "roid-head braggart trying to compensate".

In all of those examples, even if the delivery, attitude and verbiage was identical, and all that changed was the number, it would on average, elicit the above responses based on the number, not because the person was talking about income, strength or a bike.

That is what leads me to believe that most of the reaction both here and in the real world, is based on simple human nature and our tendency towards jealousy. If all that changes is the number or frequency, what else would it be?

But of course nobody wants to admit being jealous, as jealousy in these situations, or in a relationship, is a weakness and an acknowledgment that the other person has something that you want. So we create all sorts of ways to try and ignore the obvious and shift the argument to something else, rather than just admit that we are all human and be honest about what motivates us.

This is covered in any college psychology class, as I said earlier, it isn't exactly profound. What bothers me is that people can't be honest enough even with themselves, let alone with others. I do tend to be that honest, and that is part of wht rubs some people the wrong way. I say some things that some people are not comfortable with, and it is partly because a part of them knows that it may be true.

[Seca]

I said that a lot, or most, and the example that I used was pretty clear.

That is the problem with generalities. They are by definition, generally true, but not absolute. And of course everyone immediately thinks you are talking about THEM(guilty conscience perhaps) and gets defensive.

For some reason, you are not supposed to buy more than a given number of bikes. If you do, people resent you for it, even if your way of posting and talking is not at all different than the guy that posts about his one bike.

Or the guy that says during a conversation that he makes $30k a year. Nobody blinks an eye because it is average. If a guy says he makes $300k, then he is bragging and what he said is deemed inappropriate.

Or the guy that says he can bench 140lbs, is ignored. The guy who claims 400lbs, is some "roid-head braggart trying to compensate".

In all of those examples, even if the delivery, attitude and verbiage was identical, and all that changed was the number, it would on average, but the above responses based on the number, not because the person was talking about income, strength or a bike.

That is what leads me to believe that most of the reaction both here and in the real world, is based on simple human nature and our tendency towards jealousy. If all that changes is the number or frequency, what else would it be?

But of course nobody wants to admit being jealous, as jealousy in these situations, or in a relationship, is a weakness and an acknowledgment that the other person has something that you want. So we create all sorts of ways to try and ignore the obvious and shift the argument to something else, rather than just admit that we are all human and be honest about what motivates us.

This is covered in any college psychology class, as I said earlier, it isn't exactly profound. What bothers me is that people can't be honest enough even with themselves, let alone with others. I do tend to be that honest, and that is part of wht rubs some people the wrong way. I say some things that some people are not comfortable with, and it is partly because a part of them knows that it may be true.

Is it possible tht people are being honest and that you just want them to be jealous of you? Speaking of trying to compensate I am headed to the gym.

[SquireSCA]

Is it possible tht people are being honest and that you just want them to be jealous of you? Speaking of trying to compensate I am headed to the gym.

It is a good question, but no. I don't really get jealous, either in my daily life or in relationships. I am just not wired that way, and perhaps that isn't normal to be detached from such a common human emotion. I am not jealous of others, so why would i want them jealous of me, especially when it almost always causes problems and headaches?

People have what they have. Some people are smarter, some are better looking, some have gobs more money, a nicer house, a cooler job, a hotter wife, etc... What good does it do me to resent them for it? What they have doesn't take anything away from what I have.

At the end of the day, no matter who you are or what you have, someone has more. So if your enjoyment of what you have is even partly dependent on where you fall on this imaginary yard stick in life, then you are almost guaranteed to never be happy.

I see someone with all sorts of cool stuff, and I am happy for them. I may wish that I had what they have, but it never seems to turn itself into resentment or anything.

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

Dave.. I don't always agree with what you say, or how you say it, but I have to admit, I respect the way you defend your shit on here. That's good debatin'.

[SquireSCA]

Dave.. I don't always agree with what you say, or how you say it, but I have to admit, I respect the way you defend your shit on here. That's good debatin'.

Well thanks. You shouldn't always agree with me. Not only would that be boring, it would be foolish. LOL

Read what I say, think on it, research it if you ant and make your own decision. That is how it is supposed to work.

I think that I speak with confidence, and when you are blunt and to the point and speak with that level of confidence(take right or wrong out of the picture for a moment) and slap it in text where you cannot see me smiling or hear the tone of my voice, it usually comes across as arrogant, or at least it does to some people. But anyone has met me in person, well, maybe 98% of them anyway, will tell you that I am a nice, down to earth and funny person, strong opinions aside. And I don't talk any differently in person than I do here.

All that changes is the medium, and how people interpret it.

[Woodk61000]

So, who is going to be carrying this thursday down at the Vortex?

[KTM Rider]

So, who is going to be carrying this thursday down at the Vortex?

:lol: Doesnt that defeat the purpose of concealment?

[Mongo]

I'll be in Indy, the rest you'll have to imagine according to your own preference :D

[Seca]

Well thanks. You shouldn't always agree with me. Not only would that be boring, it would be foolish. LOL

Read what I say, think on it, research it if you ant and make your own decision. That is how it is supposed to work.

I think that I speak with confidence, and when you are blunt and to the point and speak with that level of confidence(take right or wrong out of the picture for a moment) and slap it in text where you cannot see me smiling or hear the tone of my voice, it usually comes across as arrogant, or at least it does to some people. But anyone has met me in person, well, maybe 98% of them anyway, will tell you that I am a nice, down to earth and funny person, strong opinions aside. And I don't talk any differently in person than I do here.

All that changes is the medium, and how people interpret it.

I have met you (at DP). I dont have a beef with you at all. I wasnt trying to stir you up or anything just discussing our opinions.

[Seca]

I'll be in Indy, the rest you'll have to imagine according to your own preference :D

I may be wrong but IMs doesnt allow firearms. Also, I believe that the it is illegal to CC inside the town limits of Speedway.

edit...
Yep here it is


Speedway, IN Municipal Code

9.08.020 Concealed unlawful.
It is unlawful for any individual to carry a concealed firearm within the town limits. (Ord. 358 § 2, 1966).

9.08.050 Firearm impoundment--Evidence.
Any firearm used in violation of this chapter may be seized and impounded by the town marshal to be used as evidence in prosecuting the person violating this chapter. (Ord. 358 § 5, 1966).

[ftp]

Every single person in this forum does exactly what you are describing. The only difference is that some of us buy more bikes than others. If you buy 2 bikes in a year, you get congrats. If you buy 6, you are a showoff.

Would you like me to post links to every thread where someone posts about their getting a new car? New truck? New gun? New house? New bike? New dirt bike? New helmet? New bike camera? Shall I continue?

The truth is that 99% of the users here, at the very least, post up the specs and pics of their new bike. Everyone does it. All that changes is the frequency. If you post pics of your new bike every year, nobody will say a thing. Post up 3 or 5 bikes a year, and suddenly you are a jerk trying to get attention?

Why? Because a bike every year or so is not enough to make some people jealous. Getting 5 is.

But in the end it isn't about you, it is about the person that feels jealous. Its their issue. It is how they interpret things when they see someone else doing something that they cannot do or choose not to do.

If I came to the forum and had a bike and 2 years later got a new one, nobody would even think to say anything negative. But what has changed? How I post? The pics? What?

Nothing. The determining factor is quantity. There is an arbitrary number in most people's heads in this forum, and if you cross over that line, then you are bragging, showing off, et all.

Of course if you head over to a Ducati forum or something, you will see people with 10+ Ducs in the garage and they won't give a damn what you buy or how often, and they won't give you shit about it either.

So what forum has more snobs? LOL
you obviously didnt get my point.

[SquireSCA]

you obviously didnt get my point.

Getting your point and agreeing with it are not the same.

You obviously didn't get MY point. ;-)

[jlcnuke]

I may be wrong but IMs doesnt allow firearms. Also, I believe that the it is illegal to CC inside the town limits of Speedway.

edit...
Yep here it is

CC is illegal in Speedway but from what I've read that hasn't been enforced since the state laws have been passed. If you want to conceal carry there I would recommend contacting local law enforcement and getting something in writing first. OC is perfectly legal there though.

[Mongo]

I may be wrong but IMs doesnt allow firearms. Also, I believe that the it is illegal to CC inside the town limits of Speedway.

edit...
Yep here it is

That's nice to know but really won't change what I do since I had no intention of carrying inside the Speedway.

[Atlanta John]

I usually carry and most LEOs that I know will not give you any problem as long as your attitude is cool and you do not get drunk and start waving your piece around......just to get back to subject!

[Todd]

6) Todd will step in and side against me and move this to the Bone Yard.

naaa, you guys have been behaving pretty well. Dave, sometimes, i DO think youre an arrogant prick, but believe it or not, i agree with ALOT of what you post. Its your presentation (as youve stated) that just comes off wrong on a forum. :up: and you should know me well enuff to know, i'd tell you that to your face to. :)

carry on. :D