Mountain Riding

[SlimDizzleATL]

You guys have any tips for riding in the mountains? Ive been up there twice since I got the R6 and am still pretty slow. Going down in November (not in the mtns) may have effected that.I feel like I could go faster, but for some reason am afraid to lean too far. Part of the reason Im hesisitant to ride with some of yall. So anyone got any tips (riding lines, leaning techniques, etc.) And dont say do a track day. I want a dedicated bike for that and dont have the scratch to do track days right now anyway. We'll shoot for 2011. lol. Not trying to race, just trying to be able to keep up with the group. TIA

[chris]

This is what helped me -

1) Education (books, etc) and riding with people that could give me tips on what they saw me do.

2) Good sticky tires (very important)

3) Practice (riding in the mountains every weekend for a year)

4) Track day

Still a lot to learn but at this point I'm mostly constrained by horsepower (I'm good in the twisties but I have an issue keeping up on straight aways and passing).

[scoot]

Learn to hang off the bike, get your braking done before the turn, dont freak out if you feel your going in the turn too hot because you will "scrub off speed". DO NOT grab a handfull of brakes. Forget about your rear brake. Pick a throttle position in the turn and hold it steady.
Your bike will way out perform your skill. It will lean very far. Trust your tires, and gain confidence. Relax too.

And yes, do a track day. Its not what you want to hear, but you will learn so much in one day it is rediculous. Save a hundred bucks, and plan on going to tally. Everything I mentioned you will learn in one trackday.

Disclaimer: Im not a professional like some others on this forum may be. So with that said, take my advice with a grain of salt. Im just passing along what someone once told me back when I had the same question.

[SlimDizzleATL]

These are good. Keep em coming. :up:

[TLR67]

1- Dont try to keep up with anyone..
2- Dont ride Alone
3-Do a trackday with the bike you have now and learn the proper riding techniques in a safe controlled environment with Medical 1 turn away...

[wicked]

ride often...your skills get rusty if you dont use them
never panic...it makes bad situations worse
wear your gear...wearing good gear builds confidence
esp being fairly new up there, take breaks...throwing a sportbike around in the twisties is a lot of work
stay hydrated and fueled...hard to focus when youre thirsty and/or hungry
stay focused
build slowly...riding too far beyond your abilities usually ends up hurting like a bitch
be constantly vigil about bike maintenance...preflight inspections and quick walk arounds at stops are a must
good tires and brakes (and words of wisdom imparted to me years ago 'trust your tires')
ride with people better than you but that are willing to not leave you in the dust...follow their lines...
know that its more important to be a good rider than to keep up with guys faster than you...its ok not to be the fastest guy out there...its not a track
work at being smooth in all you do from accelerating to changing seat position to braking...smooth=fast
dont listen to everyone who gives you advice...not all of it will be good advice :-)
read "Twist of the Wrist 2" by Kieth Code

[SlimDizzleATL]

Good stuff Wicked...Thanks.

[Ga-Bandit]

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Go ride by yourself and become smooth. The rest will take care of itself once you feel the groove of the majestic harmony of man and machine. That and looking for gravel up ahead of course.

[Derrick]

PROPER technique + seat time & practice=confidence=a smoother, faster, safer rider.

I heard you, but you'll learn more in one track day than months of riding in the mountains. You won't have all the distractions, and if you make a mistake which you're gonna do it's much, much less of an issue. Scrape up a hundred bucks and come ride Tally with us.

[wicked]

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Go ride by yourself and become smooth. The rest will take care of itself once you feel the groove of the majestic harmony of man and machine. That and looking for gravel up ahead of course.

eloquently put!


PROPER technique + seat time & practice=confidence=a smoother, faster, safer rider.

I heard you, but you'll learn more in one track day than months of riding in the mountains. You won't have all the distractions, and if you make a mistake which you're gonna do it's much, much less of an issue. Scrape up a hundred bucks and come ride Tally with us.^ this ^ and barber will give you wet dreams after a few sessions there...

[Ga-Bandit]

PROPER technique + seat time & practice=confidence=a smoother, faster, safer rider.

I heard you, but you'll learn more in one track day than months of riding in the mountains. You won't have all the distractions, and if you make a mistake which you're gonna do it's much, much less of an issue. Scrape up a hundred bucks and come ride Tally with us.


So true and it isn't like you can't get a ride to Tally in October. I know of a few people going up together and will meet at Flygirl's house in Buckhead. We still have a empty spot.

I look at it this way when I rode.
1) It's not a race and there isn't any throphy.
2) I have self control and will use it.
3) I will ride the race line no matter how slow or fast I am (that last part is funny - I don't care who you are)
4) Mistakes can be as simple as a run off if I remember steps above.
5)The "street" is really wide.
6) there isn't any gravel.
7) there isn't on coming traffic.
8) there are no LEO to ticket me.
9) I can concentrate without distractions.
10) I can ask for expert help who will follow me around and tell me what I'm doing wrong.
11) I can follow an expert to see what I am doing wrong.
12) I can have fun
13) N/A
14) I can meet and hang out with people at the track.
15) etc...

[SlimDizzleATL]

OMG. I hear yall about track days. Im asking what I can do in the meantime. I want to do it, just cant right now. That said, thanks for all the other advice.

[TroyBoy30]

just go up with us and ride your own pace. we won't leave ya

[SlimDizzleATL]

just go up with us and ride your own pace. we won't leave ya

Sounds good to me.

[Georgiacbr]

Sounds good to me.


yea let's ride

[cjbez07]

slim.. i have not done any track days yet.. but i will say i am pretty comfertable in the moutains.. get ur leans right.. be relaxed at all times dont tense up.. what i do is i get about as slow as i am going to be before the turn.. dont want to break it a turn just make the turn a lil harder bc it stands the bike upduring breaking.. and also it really helps to follow someone that is comfertable.. ofcorse at a speed that u are comfertable.. and just stay the lane.. and when u do so dont just go out to the mountains for an hour or so try to stay out all day bc u will start to get the feel for it and then its time to go home and it helps to ride roads that u are familiar with.. so u know what to expect for the most part that way u dont ahve to guess if the corners going to cut in more or any of that.. blood is fun but alot of cops.. but u can run it slow and still learn alot.. let me know if u want to go sometime i would not mind if u follow me.. i will tell u i am not the best person out there but i am comfertable where if u would like to follow me feel free.. just give me a pm when ever u want to ride.. im mainly free on weekends.. and if i do weekend rides i get out early.. and 9 and 10 is not early im talkin about 7 or so to beat the traffic cops and people..

Jaco

[SlimDizzleATL]

slim.. i have not done any track days yet.. but i will say i am pretty comfertable in the moutains.. get ur leans right.. be relaxed at all times dont tense up.. what i do is i get about as slow as i am going to be before the turn.. dont want to break it a turn just make the turn a lil harder bc it stands the bike upduring breaking.. and also it really helps to follow someone that is comfertable.. ofcorse at a speed that u are comfertable.. and just stay the lane.. and when u do so dont just go out to the mountains for an hour or so try to stay out all day bc u will start to get the feel for it and then its time to go home and it helps to ride roads that u are familiar with.. so u know what to expect for the most part that way u dont ahve to guess if the corners going to cut in more or any of that.. blood is fun but alot of cops.. but u can run it slow and still learn alot.. let me know if u want to go sometime i would not mind if u follow me.. i will tell u i am not the best person out there but i am comfertable where if u would like to follow me feel free.. just give me a pm when ever u want to ride.. im mainly free on weekends.. and if i do weekend rides i get out early.. and 9 and 10 is not early im talkin about 7 or so to beat the traffic cops and people..

Jaco

I hear ya man. That sounds good. Me and Redbullin went up yesterday. Not very many people in general (People, bikes, or LEO's) and we rode Blood and the Raceway. Monday is good. lol. But yeah, that sounds like a good time, we should do this soon. I might be down for early Saturday if its not raining and I'm not at the lake.

[cjbez07]

thats perfect for you.. go ride early in the am and get back about noon or a little earlier then hit the lake..that makes of a great day..haha

[ROCKER]

Just ride at a pace you're comfortable with over and over and over. It will come.
When riding in a group, let them get out of site and meet them at the next turn. It's much easier to ride your own pace and concentrate when you're not worried about the person in front of you. Never ever try and keep up.
Take your time.

[Matt.S]

I'm not sure how long you've been riding but it was about 2 years later and a new bike before I ever had the pleasure haha. When I first went up there (and I still haven't been back!! :down:) I followed a buddy who knew the mountains, I took it really slow at first, the new turns scared the hell out of me. I've ridden back roads in my area and on some fairly twistie roads but nothing compares to the mountains. Anyway, I followed him for about 30 min - 1hr while I got comfortable and then I would take turns leading. All I can really say is, I put a lot of confidence in my bike that day and it did not fail me, it surprised the hell out of me. I was hitting lines and lean angles I did not know were possible, this was also my first day of being familiar with how to really hang off.

Either way, as far as your lean goes, it seems like you might be psychin yourself out a little bit so the best piece of advice I can see given for that is to just trust in your bike, It'll do things you never thought possible.

I had an older friend who drove an R6, says it's the only bike he'll buy and reason being is because it saved his life. He came in too hot into a corner, used as much lean angle as he could and was still straying towards sand washed on the side of the road. His back tire hits it, he maintained throttle and the bike stuck and came around. Now I'm not saying because you have an R6 this will happen, just looking at your bike made me remember this story and it always reminds me of how remarkable these machines we ride are.

[steve c]

The mountains are not the place to learn to ride quickly. Nor are they the place to ride fast - if you already know how.
Go to the mountains to enjoy yourself without pushing the limits of your talent, tires, or wallet (when you have to pay the tickets and insurance.)
If you want to go faster or learn to go faster, do it on a track. (I don't want your untalented ass sliding into me, nor do I want to go find a rope to pull your treasured baby out of a ravine.)

I have a guide to mountain riding etiquette around here somewhere.
Maybe after my next meeting is over, I'll look for it.

- Steve

[SlimDizzleATL]

The mountains are not the place to learn to ride quickly. Nor are they the place to ride fast - if you already know how.
Go to the mountains to enjoy yourself without pushing the limits of your talent, tires, or wallet (when you have to pay the tickets and insurance.)
If you want to go faster or learn to go faster, do it on a track. (I don't want your untalented ass sliding into me, nor do I want to go find a rope to pull your treasured baby out of a ravine.)

I have a guide to mountain riding etiquette around here somewhere.
Maybe after my next meeting is over, I'll look for it.

- Steve

Gee...Thanks for the constructive criticism Steve. Im not trying to learn to ride quickly, just trying to keep up. There is a difference. Anywho...

@Matt.s - Thanks for the advice. Im slowly starting to learn that about the R6.

[bigb996]

everyone has given you pretty solid advice. I learned how to ride proper in the mountains by going with guys who actually know how to ride and would learn their lines and how to get off the bike. Just ride at the pace that makes you comforatble. Something that also helps is wearing full leathers, back protector, and all your other gear up there. As long as you realise that theres always someone thats faster up there you will never have the need to go faster than you should.

With that said instead of getting angry at everyone for stating you will learn how to ride faster by doing a trackday, take that advice and give it a shot. You will be very very suprised. You can read all the books in the world but until you get out and try it hands on your not going to improve. I think seat time, riding with the proper people. and staying in your comfort zone are the most import factors for improving your speed though.

[ramm]

just go up with us and ride your own pace. we won't leave ya

That.

[The Lazy Destroyer]

Gee...Thanks for the constructive criticism Steve. Im not trying to learn to ride quickly, just trying to keep up. There is a difference. Anywho...



I'm not trying to be a jack wagon here, but "trying to keep up" is the reason I see lots of people busted on the side of 129. It can be challenging to pick up the pace while on the street, especially if you are coming from a crash last year.

Personally I would rather ride with someone slower than me who is smooth, than ride with someone who rides at my "pace" but does so poorly. Again, not trying to be mean but it is painfully obvious when a rider is riding over their comfort level. It also makes my riding tough because then I feel obligated to slow down to see if maybe they can get back into their comfort level again.

Also, keep in mind that if your head tells you to "slow down", there may be a good reason for it. If you are riding at your comfort level, and the guy ahead of you pulls away, there is nothing wrong with that. If you want to get faster, just keep up with the seat time and be patient. Practice good technique like getting entry speed judged accordingly and making sure you are always looking through the turn at the vanish point.

Pace isn't something that should be rushed. Unfortunately for many of us (myself included), getting your comfort level raised can sometimes come slower than we want. Just a heads up.

That is the reason why a lot of people recommend track days as it kinda "speeds up" the learning process exponentially.

[dzone]

just go up with us and ride your own pace. we won't leave ya

He said he wants to be faster.

[SlimDizzleATL]

everyone has given you pretty solid advice. I learned how to ride proper in the mountains by going with guys who actually know how to ride and would learn their lines and how to get off the bike. Just ride at the pace that makes you comforatble. Something that also helps is wearing full leathers, back protector, and all your other gear up there. As long as you realise that theres always someone thats faster up there you will never have the need to go faster than you should.

With that said instead of getting angry at everyone for stating you will learn how to ride faster by doing a trackday, take that advice and give it a shot. You will be very very suprised. You can read all the books in the world but until you get out and try it hands on your not going to improve. I think seat time, riding with the proper people. and staying in your comfort zone are the most import factors for improving your speed though.


lol

Im getting mad because I said I was going to do a trackday eventually. When I can afford it. I plan on doing it. Im not writing this idea off Thanks for the advice tho.


I'm not trying to be a jack wagon here, but "trying to keep up" is the reason I see lots of people busted on the side of 129. It can be challenging to pick up the pace while on the street, especially if you are coming from a crash last year.

Personally I would rather ride with someone slower than me who is smooth, than ride with someone who rides at my "pace" but does so poorly. Again, not trying to be mean but it is painfully obvious when a rider is riding over their comfort level. It also makes my riding tough because then I feel obligated to slow down to see if maybe they can get back into their comfort level again.

Also, keep in mind that if your head tells you to "slow down", there may be a good reason for it. If you are riding at your comfort level, and the guy ahead of you pulls away, there is nothing wrong with that. If you want to get faster, just keep up with the seat time and be patient. Practice good technique like getting entry speed judged accordingly and making sure you are always looking through the turn at the vanish point.

Pace isn't something that should be rushed. Unfortunately for many of us (myself included), getting your comfort level raised can sometimes come slower than we want. Just a heads up.

That is the reason why a lot of people recommend track days as it kinda "speeds up" the learning process exponentially.

Constructive Criticism. I like it. Thanks for this.

[ROCKER]

One of the hardest things is knowing when to take someones advice and when not to.
Lots of different types of riders here. I think it's smart to watch and listen to the old veterans, the ones who rarely/never fall or get out of control. Riders with 100's of thousands of miles under their belt. Some of the older guys are still able to ride for a reason.




Edit- there are some younger guys with many many miles and good advice. Like Blake for one

[Wheedle]

One of the hardest things is knowing when to take someones advice and when not to.
Lots of different types of riders here. I think it's smart to watch and listen to the old veterans, the ones who rarely/never fall or get out of control. Riders with 100's of thousands of miles under their belt. Some of the older guys are still able to ride for a reason.
Edit- there are some younger guys with many many miles and good advice. Like Blake for one

Paul is someone who learned to be very smooth and fast in a short period of time... for the reasons he has stated.

Smooth is the key... and you're not going to get that riding over your head trying to keep up. Find someone to ride with who is smooth and always in control, who willing to back off to your pace and both lead and follow, and ride in a more one-on-one coaching type environment.

[TroyBoy30]

That.

Next weekend will work. We need to pick a weekend for telico plains as well. Got a line on cabins



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[TroyBoy30]

He said he wants to be faster.

Won't riding with slow people accomplish that? :rofl:


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[dzone]

I really believe one of the key elements is seat time, quality seat time, not when you are at 100% survival mode trying to keep up. A pace that is fast enough to keep you focused but slow enough to allow you to think about the next corner, where you need to brake, your turn in point, being able to take a turn in one smooth line with no course corrections.
Riding a motorcycle is like any other sport, it takes practice. It takes time for your mind to learn to effectively process all the inputs a quick ride produces.
It takes time to build the muscle memory to do the right thing, instead of a survival reflex.
Go out and just ride, learn the roads, learn to read what the road is telling you. Learn where the gravel always is in the corners, learn where the dip is going to throw you off line. Be patient. Practice the Slow, look, lean, and roll on the throttle in every corner, force your eyes to where you are going. Focus on doing it right. Speed is a product of all the above. ride every chance you get in the mountains.

And remember there is always someone faster, let them go. ride inside your skillset.

[ramm]

Next weekend will work. We need to pick a weekend for telico plains as well. Got a line on cabins



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Sounds good, text me or something :lock:

[ROCKER]

If you see dzone riding behind you with the camera rolling, you might be about to fall. He knows.




He's also one of the veterans.

[ltyson]

I really believe one of the key elements is seat time, quality seat time, not when you are at 100% survival mode trying to keep up. A pace that is fast enough to keep you focused but slow enough to allow you to think about the next corner, where you need to brake, your turn in point, being able to take a turn in one smooth line with no course corrections.
Riding a motorcycle is like any other sport, it takes practice. It takes time for your mind to learn to effectively process all the inputs a quick ride produces.
It takes time to build the muscle memory to do the right thing, instead of a survival reflex.
Go out and just ride, learn the roads, learn to read what the road is telling you. Learn where the gravel always is in the corners, learn where the dip is going to throw you off line. Be patient. Practice the Slow, look, lean, and roll on the throttle in every corner, force your eyes to where you are going. Focus on doing it right. Speed is a product of all the above. ride every chance you get in the mountains.

And remember there is always someone faster, let them go. ride inside your skillset.

Read that 20 times................. go ride and remember what you read and practice it. Come back read it again 20 times and repeat this process as many times a week as you can. You will come back a better rider for sure.

Ltyson

[Sanchez]

learn to read what the road is telling you.

Look to the limit point:


http://www.savannahsoftware.com/LimitPoint.jpg

The point where both sides of the road appear to converge to a point. That point is the limit point. That point will tell you exactly how fast you can take that bend.
Simply keep that limit point the same distance away from you. If it starts to get nearer to you, the bend is getting sharper - gently throttle off. If it starts to recede, throttle up and chase it.

This is why you don't need to "know" the road to be able to ride it at the optimum pace. The road tells you itself.

In addition to telling you what the road's doing, looking up to the limit point gives you two more survival advantages:

1. It's the furthest point you can see. You get maximum reaction time to threats.
2. Keeping your eyes up instead of staring at the pavement ahead of you reduces the sensation of speed and keeps you away from your panic threshold.

[Sanchez]

Here's some more advice: learn from other people's mistakes. Here are some reasons I've crashed:

- Trying to stay ahead of someone
- Trying to keep up with someone
- Trying to look cool for a camera
- Trying to take the 10 mph corner on Wolf Pen Gap at 25 mph

The past few years have been a painful learning process.

[ROCKER]

Here's some more advice: learn from other people's mistakes. Here are some reasons I've crashed:

- Trying to stay ahead of someone I was there
- Trying to keep up with someone I was there
- Trying to look cool for a camera I was there
- Trying to take the 10 mph corner on Wolf Pen Gap at 25 mph Where the hell was I?

The past few years have been a painful learning process.

Yikes

[SlimDizzleATL]

I really believe one of the key elements is seat time, quality seat time, not when you are at 100% survival mode trying to keep up. A pace that is fast enough to keep you focused but slow enough to allow you to think about the next corner, where you need to brake, your turn in point, being able to take a turn in one smooth line with no course corrections.
Riding a motorcycle is like any other sport, it takes practice. It takes time for your mind to learn to effectively process all the inputs a quick ride produces.
It takes time to build the muscle memory to do the right thing, instead of a survival reflex.
Go out and just ride, learn the roads, learn to read what the road is telling you. Learn where the gravel always is in the corners, learn where the dip is going to throw you off line. Be patient. Practice the Slow, look, lean, and roll on the throttle in every corner, force your eyes to where you are going. Focus on doing it right. Speed is a product of all the above. ride every chance you get in the mountains.

And remember there is always someone faster, let them go. ride inside your skillset.

This is what Im talking about. Thanks for the insight dzone

[Sanchez]

Yikes

You were only there for 2 of those 4. :)

[ROCKER]

You were only there for 2 of those 4. :)

Track(tally), gixxer corner and 75?

[Da_LowCountry_Rider]

I hear ya man. That sounds good. Me and Redbullin went up yesterday. Not very many people in general (People, bikes, or LEO's) and we rode Blood and the Raceway. Monday is good. lol. But yeah, that sounds like a good time, we should do this soon. I might be down for early Saturday if its not raining and I'm not at the lake.

I'm off tomorrow thru fri, if you wanna go up there early again. And off every monday. I don't speed and ride at a nice pace

[Georgiacbr]

I'm off tomorrow thru fri, if you wanna go up there early again. And off every monday. I don't speed and ride at a nice pace


im on vaction till next monday hit me up I might want to go riding again.

[cjbez07]

I really believe one of the key elements is seat time, quality seat time, not when you are at 100% survival mode trying to keep up. A pace that is fast enough to keep you focused but slow enough to allow you to think about the next corner, where you need to brake, your turn in point, being able to take a turn in one smooth line with no course corrections.
Riding a motorcycle is like any other sport, it takes practice. It takes time for your mind to learn to effectively process all the inputs a quick ride produces.
It takes time to build the muscle memory to do the right thing, instead of a survival reflex.
Go out and just ride, learn the roads, learn to read what the road is telling you. Learn where the gravel always is in the corners, learn where the dip is going to throw you off line. Be patient. Practice the Slow, look, lean, and roll on the throttle in every corner, force your eyes to where you are going. Focus on doing it right. Speed is a product of all the above. ride every chance you get in the mountains.

And remember there is always someone faster, let them go. ride inside your skillset.

ok i will tell u this.. i dont think u can get it explained any better than this.. dont have to be fast to be fast.. u can put me on a R1 agains valintino rossi and have him have a 600 or maybe even a 250 and im sure he would own me.. got to learn how talk walk before you can run.. and i would not mind going up to the mountains with you..

[Matt.S]

If anyone's trying to hit the mountains, pre-weekend, I'm available thurs and friday and I'd be down to go. That's not including a ride on the weekend if anyone is also game for that.

I mean most of us live an hour away from such a beautiful place to ride why not take advantage :up:

[wicked]

hell, i might be able to squeeze in a ride sometime during the week...

[SlimDizzleATL]

I'm off tomorrow thru fri, if you wanna go up there early again. And off every monday. I don't speed and ride at a nice pace

You guys wanna shoot for Friday morning? Wicked? Demetrius? Eric (if you actually show up this time... :Poke: ) Matt? Im off tomorrow and Friday also. I'd love to test these theories while the weather is nice. I'll post up another thread in the appropriate section so this doesnt get moved.

[U.F.O.]

Here's some more advice: learn from other people's mistakes. Here are some reasons I've crashed:

- Trying to stay ahead of someone
- Trying to keep up with someone
- Trying to look cool for a camera
- Trying to take the 10 mph corner on Wolf Pen Gap at 25 mph

The past few years have been a painful learning process.

:handclap:

Good judgment comes from experience... and experience comes from poor judgment.

Matt has a seriously good point here. Most of what you are reading is the product of other people's mistakes, however big or small they are. Seat time is the best way you can rack up experience and hopefully if your mistakes are small enough you won't have to pay for that experience in broken bones and bike parts.

Can't stress the track day enough. Just look at it this way: One speeding ticket will be about equal to tires and a day's worth of track fees.

For me track days changed the way I look at mountain riding. It's just a nice jaunt in cool mountain air now. The best reward is coming home in one piece.

[Da_LowCountry_Rider]

You guys wanna shoot for Friday morning? Wicked? Demetrius? Eric (if you actually show up this time... :Poke: ) Matt? Im off tomorrow and Friday also. I'd love to test these theories while the weather is nice. I'll post up another thread in the appropriate section so this doesnt get moved.


Im down for today, tomorrow or Friday. Just let me know
I can meet at the end of 400 or exit 10 on 400 and ride down with yall. Or I might take 85 to 985 from my end to catch 400 or jump straight on 129

[Matt.S]

You guys wanna shoot for Friday morning? Wicked? Demetrius? Eric (if you actually show up this time... :Poke: ) Matt? Im off tomorrow and Friday also. I'd love to test these theories while the weather is nice. I'll post up another thread in the appropriate section so this doesnt get moved.

I'm game for Friday or Thurs (tomorrow). I'd like to meet on 400 because as I said I don't know how to make it up there so my best bet would be to meet up with someone right off of an exit.

[SlimDizzleATL]

I'm game for Friday or Thurs (tomorrow). I'd like to meet on 400 because as I said I don't know how to make it up there so my best bet would be to meet up with someone right off of an exit.

Matt check the "lets meet to ride" section. We'll discuss.

[TLR67]

You guys should cross up and go over the Mountains and come up to Indy for the GP!!!

[elwood]

I think this is a pretty good article for riding on the street, and everyone in a group you ride with should probably believe the same.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/flashback/122_0911_the_pace_nick_ienatsch/index.html

[dzone]

MOAR!

http://www.deadzonevideo.com/articles.htm

[Matt.S]

MOAR!

http://www.deadzonevideo.com/articles.htm

Oh my, things to read when I shouldn't be up at 2 A.M

[Sanchez]

Track(tally), gixxer corner and 75?

The wreck at Tally was one of the few I can honestly say wasn't my fault. :p A control rider hit me that time.

I wrecked trying to stay ahead of someone a few months after I started riding. I was out with the Buell crew on my M2, and TicketMaster came up on me from behind ... 2 up ... on a Blast. :lol: My foolish pride wouldn't have any of that, so I took off. I left him pretty far behind, but I got over confident and ran out of talent. A few miles later, I went wide in a left hander and low sided in the dirt.

It was kind of comical because I fell down maybe 10 feet and then expended a lot of effort hauling myself back up to the road. If I had just turned around, I'd have seen there was a driveway leading from the road right down to my bike. In the end I got some people to help me put the bike right side up, and I rode it away with nothing broken but a $12 REI bar end mirror. My only injury was a scratch I got while climbing up the bank.

[louie3]

might i recommend keith codes twist of the wrist II dvd and book.

[SlimDizzleATL]

I think this is a pretty good article for riding on the street, and everyone in a group you ride with should probably believe the same.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/flashback/122_0911_the_pace_nick_ienatsch/index.html

Good stuff right here.

I was able to test out some of you guy's theories the other day. They seem to work well as I saw a difference from that Monday to the Friday ride we took. Thanks guys!

[ramm]

I'll be making a trip up Saturday, Slim. I'll make a post on Thurs/Friday to see if anyone is interested. You're more than welcome to join

[TroyBoy30]

jen and i will be out sat as well. text me

[likestoride]

I don't consider myself to be that all that fast (everytime I start thinking I am getting there I see someone much faster), but I have put ALOT of miles on bikes, in the mountains and some on the track.

Number 1 rule of riding is "ride your own ride". Number 2-10 are the same thing. Don't worry about trying to 'keep up'. That can get you killed. Absolutely ride your own pace. If you want to ride with a small group then find some people that ride a similar pace. Someone else may think they are barely going and you might be in way over your head and wreck. Throw your ego away. There is always someone faster unless your name is Rossi, Spies, etc.

Read everything you can get your hands on about riding (Keith Codes, etc) Read one or two parts and then go out and use some of what you read.

The street is NOT a race track. Treating it like it is will inevitably result in a ticket, a wrecked bike, and possibly much worse. Concrete hurts.

I personally think a bit of dirtbike time helps tremendously on the street. Personally, it kept me from panicking a few times when the tires slid a bit too much for comfort. Beg, borrow, or rent a bike and head out to Durhamtown or Highland Park a few times.

Ride ALOT. Go to the mountains ALOT. Ride the same route as much as possible. Knowing the roads definitely helps.

Concentrate on riding properly, instead of fast. Then pick up the pace a bit once you feel like you 'know the road'.

A small amount of braking in a turn IS allowed if necessary. I'm not talking about panicking and 'stabbing' the brake or doing anything that will make the bike 'dive'. Some people seem to think if they use any brake while turning that their bike will suddenly explode in a ball of flames. Not true.

Find the twistiest road near your house, figure out the proper lines (ask someone you know that is good and/or read books), and ride it regularly until you get good at it. Apply the knowledge gained everywhere else. Definitely helped me.

Good gear definitely improves your confidence. Wear it.

Your bike will handle quite a bit differently if your tire pressure is not correct. Definitely maintain proper tire pressure.

Keep riding.

[Ibleedgreen]

It always worked well in our group when we had a rider that tried to keep up. Everytime there was a crash. I witnessed 10 or more in a couple years with that group.

Actually Troyboy can attest to that.

Go find a road called Warwoman and crack the throttle. As a matter of fact at the end of it turn left onto 28 towards Highland and go faster. You will learn or burn real quick!

[TroyBoy30]

28 into highlands is a great road


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[Ibleedgreen]

28 into highlands is a great road


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After re-reading my post I apologize, Troy was an unfortunate crash while riding a normal pace. He was not a victom of "trying to keep up".

His crash fell under the "shit happens" category.

[jtryz]

dont ride with Louie unless u want a ticket.. LOL





had to do it, sorry Louie

[louie3]

dont ride with Louie unless u want a ticket.. LOL





had to do it, sorry Louie

try 3 tickets. :handclap:

[SKnight]

Paul is someone who learned to be very smooth and fast in a short period of time... for the reasons he has stated.

Smooth is the key... and you're not going to get that riding over your head trying to keep up. Find someone to ride with who is smooth and always in control, who willing to back off to your pace and both lead and follow, and ride in a more one-on-one coaching type environment.

Bingo.

Be methodical, be smooth. Set your entry speed and be precise about it. If you don't know the road ride it slow first. That way you know it's a decreasing radius, or it has gravel, or there's a funky dip you might not see. Look up "Gravity cavity" on the Dragon. It doesn't look bad till you hit it.

By working on being smooth and precise next thing you know you're carrying good speed and it's just fun. You just gotta believe in the bike and yourself, just don't make any radical changes mid turn.