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rr_double_rr

11-19-2010, 09:09 AM

From my POV, he was boxed in by a ravine, and 3 cars. There was no way he was running any more. I understand adrenaline gets going and such, but the tackle was too much. Forcibly removing him from the bike at gunpoint is definitely warranted, but the cops are supposed to have the upper moral ground.

But, I digress, I wasn't there and the video doesn't show the whole chase. Maybe the biker had tried to do something aggresive to the cop to get them to drop the chase, IE pulled a gun, tried to swerve into them to get them to yield and lose the chase that puts it all in perspective.

sv650

11-19-2010, 10:01 AM

It amazes me that many people think that the second you run from the cop you give up your rights.The cops could have approached with guns drawn and had him lay on the ground and then force him to watch while they kicked his bike over and drag it onto the back of a wrecker. Wait a sec, I've seen that happen myself. Yes he was an idiot and IMHO he probably deserved it but what if that stupid idiot would have had a gun or maybe even a medical condition. I know it's the what if game but regardless I believe most cops are high on power. Just my 2cents.

Mongo

11-19-2010, 10:10 AM

So wait - you should be treated like a normal law abiding system when just minutes before you showed that you were willing to break the law? Interesting theory but reality is you messed up and screw you and your "rights" at that point. Want to be treated politely, pull over immediately and you will be.

sv650

11-19-2010, 10:38 AM

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 10:53 AM

So no hope for innocent until proven guilty I guess.

He was guilty of running, he proved that himself.

sv650

11-19-2010, 10:58 AM

He was guilty of running, he proved that himself.
So cops can prove guilt on the side of the road and dictate punishment accordingly. No due process, no trial, just roadside punishment. Again He was(is) an idiot.

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 11:03 AM

So cops can prove guilt on the side of the road and dictate punishment accordingly. No due process, no trial, just roadside punishment. Again He was(is) an idiot.

As far as I'm concerned, he got off easy. As I've said a hundred times before...anything that happens after you make the decision to run, whether you end up splattered on the pavement or beat down by the cops, is entirely your fault. If you're "man" enough to run, you should be "man" enough to take whatever happens as a result.

NiceGuysFinishLast

11-19-2010, 11:16 AM

So cops can prove guilt on the side of the road and dictate punishment accordingly. No due process, no trial, just roadside punishment. Again He was(is) an idiot.

Don't want to get tackled by a cop? Don't run from the cops. Don't want to get tazed by a cop? Don't resist a cop. I've had plenty of interactions with police in my life, and never a negative one. Because I'm not a ****ing retard.

sv650

11-19-2010, 11:17 AM

As far as I'm concerned, he got off easy. As I've said a hundred times before...anything that happens after you make the decision to run, whether you end up splattered on the pavement or beat down by the cops, is entirely your fault. If you're "man" enough to run, you should be "man" enough to take whatever happens as a result.
Well I agree to disagree...but thats a compelling argument. I think we as citizens of this country are given a set of civil liberties and regardless of weither you kill someone or run from the cops. You are afforded your day in court and have a right to a jury by your peers. So with that being said, does the cop IMO have the right to flying tackle a guy who yes did eventually did stop of his own accord. NO...

sv650

11-19-2010, 11:22 AM

Don't want to get tackled by a cop? Don't run from the cops. Don't want to get tazed by a cop? Don't resist a cop. I've had plenty of interactions with police in my life, and never a negative one. Because I'm not a ****ing retard.
So by your statement it sounds like Rodney King deserved to get beat down for running from the cops.......I'm not defending this idiot for running from the cops. He was a douche that deserved to be punished. What I am saying is that Cops take it to far. They could have easily just put their guns on him and arrested him. Not flying tackle him.

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 11:22 AM

Well I agree to disagree...but thats a compelling argument. I think we as citizens of this country are given a set of civil liberties and regardless of weither you kill someone or run from the cops. You are afforded your day in court and have a right to a jury by your peers. So with that being said, does the cop IMO have the right to flying tackle a guy who yes did eventually did stop of his own accord. NO...

Have you ever seen cops jerk somebody out of a car after a chase & throw them to the ground? this was no worse. Did you see this guy's previous record? If he had been flattened by the cop car I still would have no sympathy. He chose to play the game & got owned.

And his dad is a whiny bitch.

Mongo

11-19-2010, 11:56 AM

So by your statement it sounds like Rodney King deserved to get beat down for running from the cops.......I'm not defending this idiot for running from the cops. He was a douche that deserved to be punished. What I am saying is that Cops take it to far. They could have easily just put their guns on him and arrested him. Not flying tackle him.

There's a difference between a basic beatdown and police brutality. Rodney Kings was overboard (still not a hell of a lot given he was fighting back for a lot of the time but definitely too much), this was knocking the guy to the ground and cuffing him.

sv650

11-19-2010, 12:44 PM

There's a difference between a basic beatdown and police brutality. Rodney Kings was overboard (still not a hell of a lot given he was fighting back for a lot of the time but definitely too much), this was knocking the guy to the ground and cuffing him.
So as long as it's a little beat down we as society should allow cops to do that? And Rodney King was fighting back Hell I would have too after several "over the top" repetative hits. It's man's natural instinct to survive. He felt for his life, which most would have in that situation. Look all I am saying is now the tax payers have to pay for it because the cop will need investigation and or cover-up becasue he choose to tackle the guy. I am not aware of any procedures that call for a cop to flying tackle a suspect. It could have been handled a lot different, just by the cop keeping his cool and go by procedure. And if he is found to be guilty of brutality then it's the taxpayers that will feel the pinch not the cop who flying tackled a suspect that was already surrendering.

sv650

11-19-2010, 12:48 PM

Have you ever seen cops jerk somebody out of a car after a chase & throw them to the ground? this was no worse. Did you see this guy's previous record? If he had been flattened by the cop car I still would have no sympathy. He chose to play the game & got owned.

And his dad is a whiny bitch.
I don't know about that becasue yes people are thrown to the ground but have you ever been flying tackled? It's a big difference between being thrown to the ground and flying tackled. Way more force behind a flying tackle verses and a forceful grounding.

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 01:03 PM

I don't know about that becasue yes people are thrown to the ground but have you ever been flying tackled? It's a big difference between being thrown to the ground and flying tackled. Way more force behind a flying tackle verses and a forceful grounding.

If the guy was a model citizen & pulled over immediately after being lit up & the cop still did this then I would agree with you. However, that's not the case. The guy is a human asswipe. He endangered innocent people (as he's done before, according to his record) & got a little street justice. F*ck him & his whiny dad. I still say he got off easy.

BTW, I think the flying tackle was probably strategic. What if he had a gun in his tank bag & pulled it out instead of "reaching for his key" to turn the bike off?

Barton72

11-19-2010, 01:05 PM

Dude decided to pull over and comply it appears. Just a cop who can't control himself. That's all. See it all the time. By god, he was gonna teach that kid a lesson!! Don't run from officer fat! I'll linebacker your ass when you eventually comply! I might break my own collar bone or hurt myself in the process, but I will show you who's boss!!

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 01:10 PM

Dude decided to pull over and comply it appears. !

If he had decided to "pull over & comply" to start with this whole incident could've been avoided. Again, totally the idiot's fault.

ugar-6

11-19-2010, 01:11 PM

Now I love people who scream about their rights this and that. Do these morons running think about the right for that officer to go home safe to his family at night? Do they think about the innocent people they mow down while running. Imagine your child losing their life due to these idiots and tell me you'd still be parading about their rights at that court case. I'm not saying we need to be like Tehran and give you 80 public lashes for consuming alcohol but YES, this idiot should have had his ass beat. Not saying permanent damage but at least as Buford T. Justice would call it, an attention getter.

NiceGuysFinishLast

11-19-2010, 01:15 PM

sv650

11-19-2010, 01:16 PM

If the guy was a model citizen & pulled over immediately after being lit up & the cop still did this then I would agree with you. However, that's not the case. The guy is a human asswipe. He endangered innocent people (as he's done before, according to his record) & got a little street justice. F*ck him & his whiny dad. I still say he got off easy.

BTW, I think the flying tackle was probably strategic. What if he had a gun in his tank bag & pulled it out instead of "reaching for his key" to turn the bike off?

You honestly think the cop would have still tackled the guy if he was pulling for a gun....that seems like a little wishfull thinking. I can see the planning and training phase in the police academy, " in the event a motorcyclist pulls a gun here is what you do. Sprint to him and flying tackle him".
And no matter what his dark and stupid past reveals he still has rights and the cops still have standard operating procedures. Which I am sure flying tackles are not a part of.

sv650

11-19-2010, 01:17 PM

Stupid SHOULD hurt.
lol your absolutely right and in most cases your right.

Barton72

11-19-2010, 01:17 PM

If he had decided to "pull over & comply" to start with this whole incident could've been avoided. Again, totally the idiot's fault.
Yeah, I don't condone running. But would you say he did pull over and comply regardless of when it was? After being cuffed and stuffed then proven guilty in court, I am sure the lesson would have been taught by sentencing and fines/license suspension. It wasn't for Fat Barney to teach him a lesson. Lack of self control is all I saw.

NiceGuysFinishLast

11-19-2010, 01:26 PM

Lack of self control is all I saw.

You're right. Running from the cops is a complete lack of self control. And a complete disregard for safety. Yours, the officer's, and the general public's.

impalanar

11-19-2010, 01:47 PM

lol your absolutely right and in most cases your right.

60% of the time he is right all of the time.

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 01:48 PM

You honestly think the cop would have still tackled the guy if he was pulling for a gun....that seems like a little wishfull thinking. I can see the planning and training phase in the police academy, " in the event a motorcyclist pulls a gun here is what you do. Sprint to him and flying tackle him".
And no matter what his dark and stupid past reveals he still has rights and the cops still have standard operating procedures. Which I am sure flying tackles are not a part of.

The officer may have been trying to get him as far away from his tank bag before he had a chance to reach in & go for a gun. It's not like the guy had his hands up in plain sight.

sv650

11-19-2010, 01:50 PM

The officer may have been trying to get him as far away from his tank bag before he had a chance to reach in & go for a gun. It's not like the guy had his hands up in plain sight.
and their was a shooter in the grassy nole

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 01:51 PM

Yeah, I don't condone running. But would you say he did pull over and comply regardless of when it was?

After leading the cops on a seven mile high speed chase is a little late to "comply" & expect to be treated with the utmost respect.

sv650

11-19-2010, 01:51 PM

You're right. Running from the cops is a complete lack of self control. And a complete disregard for safety. Yours, the officer's, and the general public's.

then let a jury of his peers or a judge decide that not some beat cop

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 01:53 PM

and their was a shooter in the grassy nole

Explain how the cop would've known what this guy had in his tank bag, if he had one.

sv650

11-19-2010, 02:03 PM

Explain how the cop would've known what this guy had in his tank bag, if he had one.
I'm not saying there was even a tank bag I couldn't tell there was and nor do I know even if this guy had a gun or even any form of a weapon. But Usually if there is even a suspession of a gun. A cop usually will pull his weapon and have it aimed ready to fire at a moments notice if he aims, points or make a motion in a manner to harm him.

sv650

11-19-2010, 02:04 PM

I think this is a good topic for a poll, someone should put it up to see what the majority of people think. Was it justified or was it excessive force.

Mongo

11-19-2010, 02:13 PM

So as long as it's a little beat down we as society should allow cops to do that? And Rodney King was fighting back Hell I would have too after several "over the top" repetative hits. It's man's natural instinct to survive. He felt for his life, which most would have in that situation. Look all I am saying is now the tax payers have to pay for it because the cop will need investigation and or cover-up becasue he choose to tackle the guy. I am not aware of any procedures that call for a cop to flying tackle a suspect. It could have been handled a lot different, just by the cop keeping his cool and go by procedure. And if he is found to be guilty of brutality then it's the taxpayers that will feel the pinch not the cop who flying tackled a suspect that was already surrendering.

King was fighting from the very beginning, not just after a few over the top hits. Trying to make him out as a totally innocent victim is ridiculous.

And yes, a little beat down is fine. It's called a felony stop and it's also totally legal. Criminals do not get treated as if they're not criminals.

rr_double_rr

11-19-2010, 02:15 PM

I'm not saying there was even a tank bag I couldn't tell there was and nor do I know even if this guy had a gun or even any form of a weapon. But Usually if there is even a suspession of a gun. A cop usually will pull his weapon and have it aimed ready to fire at a moments notice if he aims, points or make a motion in a manner to harm him.

Agreed. The cop, while on adrenaline and certainly justified in being pissed, should have taken the high road tactically and just drawn down on him until backup was able to cuff him or until he was sure that the biker wasn't going to pull anything. That's what is taught in any course that I have ever been in or know of for subduing a possible threat. Keep distance, guns after all are distance weapons and a knife in a gun fight results in a Sean Connery death scene, keep eyes on the suspect and direct their actions with firm words. Non- compliance to that equals reasonable penalty. More stern words, or in an extreme case a shot fired if the suspect tries to pull something. The tackle was just stupid, from a tactical and professional standpoint.

Bottom line is that they were both idiots.

sv650

11-19-2010, 02:20 PM

King was fighting from the very beginning, not just after a few over the top hits. Trying to make him out as a totally innocent victim is ridiculous.

And yes, a little beat down is fine. It's called a felony stop and it's also totally legal. Criminals do not get treated as if they're not criminals.
I'm not sure of all the particulars of the King case so I will have to say ok.
I know from what it appears King was never given an opportunity to be hand cuffed and that it looked like he was immediately beaten so hence he immediately began to defend himself.
And just think if the cops would have followed procedure how much money would have been saved by the city. Not to mention a conviction, if they wouldn't have gone over board King would have been in Jail or Prision and not living the high life at the expense of the tax payer.

sv650

11-19-2010, 02:21 PM

Agreed. The cop, while on adrenaline and certainly justified in being pissed, should have taken the high road tactically and just drawn down on him until backup was able to cuff him or until he was sure that the biker wasn't going to pull anything. That's what is taught in any course that I have ever been in or know of for subduing a possible threat. Keep distance, guns after all are distance weapons and a knife in a gun fight results in a Sean Connery death scene, keep eyes on the suspect and direct their actions with firm words. Non- compliance to that equals reasonable penalty. More stern words, or in an extreme case a shot fired if the suspect tries to pull something. The tackle was just stupid, from a tactical and professional standpoint.

Bottom line is that they were both idiots.
+1

Barton72

11-19-2010, 02:21 PM

Bottom line is that they were both idiots.

Pretty much sums it up.

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 02:40 PM

jkhonea

11-19-2010, 02:45 PM

I'm not sure of all the particulars of the King case so I will have to say ok.
I know from what it appears King was never given an opportunity to be hand cuffed and that it looked like he was immediately beaten so hence he immediately began to defend himself.
And just think if the cops would have followed procedure how much money would have been saved by the city. Not to mention a conviction, if they wouldn't have gone over board King would have been in Jail or Prision and not living the high life at the expense of the tax payer.

There was a lot more to the King incident than just the video clip aired on the television set for sensationalism. And he looked much more guilty with the rest of the video. The news picked and chose what they put on television for everyone to see. Just a little misleading.

rr_double_rr

11-19-2010, 02:55 PM

There was a lot more to the King incident than just the video clip aired on the television set for sensationalism. And he looked much more guilty with the rest of the video. The news picked and chose what they put on television for everyone to see. Just a little misleading.

Oh, now you're just flocking with my perception of reality!!! The news doesn't air everything equally and unbiased??? Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Santa isn't real.

I couldn't find the emoticon that was laughing so hard it was puking. Just picking on the news, not on you.

sv650

11-19-2010, 03:45 PM

Wouldn't tackling him be a better option than shooting him because he was reaching into his tank bag to turn his MP3 player off?
now its getting to the point of "if a, could of, should of" no matter what, they both where being stupid. If the idiot wouldn't have run, this would have never happen...YES and no I do not condone running from the cops. But if the cop would have not tackled him. It could have potentially stayed any form of retaliation in the form of a potential lawsuit.

Todd

11-19-2010, 03:46 PM

good god, how many effin times is THIS horse gonna be beat to death?

jkhonea

11-19-2010, 03:57 PM

I couldn't find the emoticon that was laughing so hard it was puking. Just picking on the news, not on you.

Yeah, I know. :crackup:

jkhonea

11-19-2010, 03:57 PM

good god, how many effin times is THIS horse gonna be beat to death?

Have you met GSB? We may have met Dave, Jr. on this thread. ROFL

Hammerhead

11-19-2010, 04:47 PM

If the idiot wouldn't have run, this would have never happen...

Exactly...therefore, all blame lies with the idiot.

Back Marker

11-19-2010, 10:58 PM

let me tell you why we run. when you are young and into sportbikes, at times you have the urge to hit short bursts of triple digits when there is no traffic on the highway. if so happens a cop catches you at triple digits, you go "oh $hit" and continue speeding as a knee jerk reaction and hope to gain distance. knowing that being detected at triple digits is automatic jail time, stopping isn't an option. it will take a few minutes to calm down and start thinking correctly. then you think, should i stop and go to jail or chance gaining more distance.

the dude stopped and went to jail. many others have continued on and never looked back. i admit to have outran a good number of cops (i was into street racing back then). on the one occasion i stopped and almost went to jail (all the local jails were full that day so i was let go but bike was impounded). i was able to win in court because i wasn't completely identified. the state trooper never came close enough identify me, i was stopped by local cops in the other end of town and detained until the pursuing trooper showed up 20 minutes later.

long story short, when the trooper took me to several jails and was unable to incarcerate me, he started getting more and more violent. first was being slammed into the walls, then he got more physical with his knees. since i wasn't white, i expected to be treated like any other criminal and accepted the beat down.

i remembered the 10-15 local cops that detained me that day. they were congratulating themselves even though i didn't give them chase. after i lost the state trooper, i got lost because it wasn't my home turf. a local cop spotted me and followed me around waiting for me to run. instead, i pulled into a gas station and changed my jacket. there, the entire area was soon surrounded by local cops from different areas that were listening on the radio. my timeline jumps around a bit cause i just got back from an airsoft game (an hour drive) and i'm not fully conscious yet.

yes, i went to court and won. i've also reduced many speeding tickets to a lesser violation such as bald tire or loud exhaust (plea bargain to avoid court). i'm not justifying why we flee, just explaining why we flee and that cops also lose their common sense just as much as the one fleeing. for those that enjoy talking bad about those that flee, you should look at your speedometer and notice that you are also law breakers.

-a|ex

NiceGuysFinishLast

11-20-2010, 12:16 AM

You're right. I break the law by speeding. Regularly. And when I get lit up, I pull over and take my medicine, like a man. THAT is the difference. I never speed faster than I'm willing to pay a ticket for (Or wreck).

Jector

11-20-2010, 12:25 AM

for those that enjoy talking bad about those that flee, you should look at your speedometer and notice that you are also law breakers.

-a|ex
There's an impressive amount of fail in that statement. Would you care to rephrase or should I provide some similar and equally ridiculous comparisons?

jkhonea

11-20-2010, 12:42 AM

There's an impressive amount of fail in that statement. Would you care to rephrase or should I provide some similar and equally ridiculous comparisons?

Perfect post!!!

wallypiper

11-20-2010, 07:52 AM

Cop doesn't know all that "listen I'm just a young and foolish kid making a knee jerk decision to run instead of stop and now I'm stuck with it" stuff. He knows he saw a traffic violation, hit the lights, and the driver ran instead of stopping. For his own safety and the safety of any bystanders, I think it's justifiable at that point to assume that the driver is running for a "good" reason and that he may be armed and dangerous. Thus, when you run, you give up the chance of a polite "license and insurance, please" interaction. Despite the constitutional issues regarding your right to trial and so forth, the cop KNOWS you are a felon because he has just witnessed you committing a felony, at least in GA.

§ 40-6-395. Fleeing or attempting to elude police officer; impersonating law enforcement officer

(a) It shall be unlawful for any driver of a vehicle willfully to fail or refuse to bring his or her vehicle to a stop or otherwise to flee or attempt to elude a pursuing police vehicle or police officer when given a visual or an audible signal to bring the vehicle to a stop.

(5)(A) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (a) of this Code section who, while fleeing or attempting to elude a pursuing police vehicle or police officer in an attempt to escape arrest for any offense, other than a violation of this chapter not expressly provided for in this paragraph:

(i) Operates his or her vehicle in excess of 20 miles an hour above the posted speed limit;

shall be guilty of a felony punishable by a fine of $5,000.00 or imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than five years or both.

Jector

11-20-2010, 10:11 AM

sv650

11-20-2010, 10:23 AM

Exactly...therefore, all blame lies with the idiot.

And if the idiot gets off because of the cop flying tackled him and wins a law suit its not the cop that feels the pinch its the tax payers. The idiot wins.

jkhonea

11-20-2010, 10:27 AM

And if the idiot gets off because of the cop flying tackled him and wins a law suit its not the cop that feels the pinch its the tax payers. The idiot wins.

$10 right now says the jackass does not win the lawsuit.

sv650

11-20-2010, 10:56 AM

$10 right now says the jackass does not win the lawsuit.
I hope your right.... but if O.J. can get away with it, then truly what's that say about our judical system. Hell Bryan Nichols tied up how much time and money in court and still didn't recieve the death penalty. And that was the tax payers that paid for his counsil btw

Hammerhead

11-20-2010, 11:03 AM

The big reason why I think it was totally justifiable was that after the biker pulled over he neither took the keys out off the ignition nor put his hands in the air. Had he done either of those things the officers may have been a little out of line doing a flying tackle.

+1 That's what I was saying. I don't know if he had a tank bag or not but if he did he could have easily gone for a weapon. The cop may have been trying to eliminate a possible threat asap.

jkhonea

11-20-2010, 01:25 PM

I hope your right.... but if O.J. can get away with it, then truly what's that say about our judical system. Hell Bryan Nichols tied up how much time and money in court and still didn't recieve the death penalty. And that was the tax payers that paid for his counsil btw

OJ can pony up a lot more money for lawyers than this guy can. ;)

Jector

11-21-2010, 03:31 PM

for those that enjoy talking bad about those that flee, you should look at your speedometer and notice that you are also law breakers.

-a|ex

No response? Ok, then.

For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that murder, if you've ever gotten in a fight you are also law breakers.
For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that rape, if you've ever slapped a woman on the ass you are also law breakers.
For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that rob banks, if you've ever stolen a candy bar you are also law breakers.
For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that invade homes, if you've ever cut across someone's property you are also law breakers.

That sure is neat how every illegal act is exactly the same in severity. Makes sentencing lots easier.

Back Marker

11-21-2010, 05:43 PM

No response? Ok, then.

For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that murder, if you've ever gotten in a fight you are also law breakers.
For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that rape, if you've ever slapped a woman on the ass you are also law breakers.
For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that rob banks, if you've ever stolen a candy bar you are also law breakers.
For those of you who enjoy talking bad about those that invade homes, if you've ever cut across someone's property you are also law breakers.

That sure is neat how every illegal act is exactly the same in severity. Makes sentencing lots easier.

fleeing and eluding is still a misdemeanor in GA. same penalties applies to speeding.

Penalties for fleeing or attempting to elude Georgia police

If you are convicted of fleeing or attempting to elude a Georgia police officer, you will be charged with a misdemeanor. The fine can range from $300 to $5,000. If this is your second conviction within a five-year period, the fine can range from $600 to $5,000. For a third conviction in a five-year period, the fine will increase from $1,000 to $5,000.

You can be convicted of a felony if while fleeing or attempting to elude police, you were found guilty of driving faster than ten miles over the posted speed limit. You can also be convicted of a felony if you left the state and/or if any bodily injury was caused during the pursuant. The penalty is one to five years in prison.

speeding is a felony and fleeing isn't? i didn't know that... gonna have to read up on GA traffic laws.

-a|ex

Back Marker

11-21-2010, 06:06 PM

for those with no traffic court experience dealing with fleeing: depending on the lawyer and circumstances, one can plea it down or even win.
this is how i won my case: when i fled, i argued that the state trooper was not visible and therefore i was not aware he wanted me to stop. this was apparent when the trooper could not give a description of the fleeing motorcyclist. but beforehand, i already made arrangements with the prosecutor that i was willing to accept a lower charge of equipment misuse (bald tires) if he didn't pursue the fleeing charge. during court, the prosecutor didn't challenge my argument and the judge accepted the plea agreement.

in another fleeing case i was in, it never made it to court. the cop that gave chase was pretty kewl about it. he said he had fun trying to catch up to me and was surprised to find me cruising around a dead end residential area. we joked about it and he made the speeding ticket to under 10 mph of the speed limit. he knew his chance of a fleeing conviction was very low. he clocked me doing 20 mph over the speed limit during rush hour on the highway while he was parked. we made eye contact and i disappeared, took the first exit and started randomly taking residential streets until i came up to a dead end where he found me.

-a|ex

Jector

11-21-2010, 10:46 PM

Back Marker

11-22-2010, 12:06 AM

That misdemeanor carries a heavier fine because it's of a HIGHER SEVERITY and it's not a felony to just speed, it's a felony to speed while fleeing (and 99.9% of those who flee will speed) which is a HIGHER SEVERITY.

so what you are saying is that fleeing or speeding by itself holds the same misdemeanor offense, but combined is a felony. so the severity of fleeing isn't greater than speeding. in other words, comparing the two isn't the same as murder and beating someone up. those previous analogies therefore is a fail.

i stand by my previous comment.

-a|ex

wallypiper

11-22-2010, 06:19 AM

fleeing and eluding is still a misdemeanor in GA. same penalties applies to speeding.

speeding is a felony and fleeing isn't? i didn't know that... gonna have to read up on GA traffic laws.

-a|ex

More than 20 over while fleeing is a felony. See post 57 (http://www.georgiasportbike.com/showthread.php?5258-DumbA-got-what-he-deserved&p=70397&viewfull=1#post70397)

Jector

11-22-2010, 05:39 PM

so what you are saying is that fleeing or speeding by itself holds the same misdemeanor offense, but combined is a felony. so the severity of fleeing isn't greater than speeding. in other words, comparing the two isn't the same as murder and beating someone up. those previous analogies therefore is a fail.

i stand by my previous comment.

-a|ex

I've seen some impressive displays of selective blindness over the years and this one will rank in the top 10.

The fine you posted for fleeing starts at 300 to 5,000 dollars. If it were a low median of 1k that would be significantly higher than just about any speeding fine you could garner. That higher fine means the law considers FLEEING a more serious crime than simply SPEEDING. And the repeat offender fines ramp up much quicker than repeat speeding fines.

If you are confused any further on the matter ask a random officer, prosecutor, lawyer, or judge which is considered more serious and more likely to get you a higher fine, longer time, and/or more points on your record.

Sticking to your statement that speeding and eluding are the exact same thing sounds very much like you are trying to excuse your previous actions by saying you were doing nothing worse than exceeding the speed limit. Never mind that you were exceeding the speed limit while trying to elude the officers. That means that not only were you speeding but you were speeding for much longer than someone who pulls over AND getting at least one officer speeding as well. Yeah, no heightened danger to the public there.

Out of curiosity, do you think perjury is the same offense as speeding?