Dashboard removal--any tips?

[Mike]

My heater core shat the bed a few days ago and it looks like this weekend I will be ripping half my truck apart to replace it. If anyone has experience taking the dash off a 1997-2004 Chevy S10, Blazer, GMC Sonoma, Jimmy or even a couple Isuzu models and has some tips for me I'd appreciate it-- or any general advice would also be appreciated. I've found a few write ups/pictures/videos on the process but I am trying to arm myself with as much info as possible before starting.

[Mongo]

Go slow and do it somewhere warm, makes it a lot easier to flex the plastic bits. Take notes too for the re-install.

[SquireSCA]

Yeah, take plenty of pics with your phone, from different angles, so that you can figure out how to put it all back together.

[Barton72]

Patience is key. It's very hard to be patient for me and I always end up breaking stuff. Just take it easy.

[A&A Motorsports]

S-10s have Plastic dashboards so it will be VERY easy to take it apart.
Just pull out the MAIN plastic piece of the dash, using your hands or use a bigger screwdriver (flat-head) with some tape around so you don't damage the plastic.

After you removed the large plastic dash piece, you will need a phillips-head as I remember, to remove the small screws and such to get where you want to get.

Not very difficult and there should be some Youtube videos as well.

[Georgiacbr]

Try to buy a haynes manual these books
Have lots of pictures . Good luck

[West]

I removed the dash on my 2001 S10 a few yrs ago to do the heater core. Takes a while to find all the bolts. There is one well hidden behind the black plastic condenser cover thing on the passenger side under the hood. I remember having to drill a little hole through that cover to get to it, took me forever to find it. Once all the bolts are loose, the whole thing tilts forward, unplug everything, and it comes right out. All in all not to bad, just time consuming.

[061k]

send me your email adress and i will send you alldata step by step instructions. include year of truck. there are some bolts on the outside firewall that suck to remove.there are short cuts but if you never have done it before stick to the step by step

[061k]

Go slow and do it somewhere warm, makes it a lot easier to flex the plastic bits. Take notes too for the re-install.

somewhere warm like south florida? flex the plastic bits? as in drill bits? where do you come up with this bs?

[Mike]

Thanks everyone i appreciate it. As of right now I have bypassed my heater core (just pulled the two hoses off and coupled them together) so it will stop blowing vaporized antifreeze on my windshield and inside my cab...smelled like a WaHo inside my truck lol.

[BlueLghtning]

Went through 3 heater cores in an old '95 S-10. I feel your pain.

[061k]

Thanks everyone i appreciate it. As of right now I have bypassed my heater core (just pulled the two hoses off and coupled them together) so it will stop blowing vaporized antifreeze on my windshield and inside my cab...smelled like a WaHo inside my truck lol.

go to your email

[Mike]

Went through 3 heater cores in an old '95 S-10. I feel your pain.

Damn. Any indicator as to what made them keep failing?
Part of replacing mine will be thoroughly flushing the coolant system and making sure every last drop of Dex Cool is out, as I've heard that can destroy seals and wreak havoc. I had it in a shop 2 months ago to get a coolant flush but they just drained it and put in green, didn't flush it, so its a dex-cool/green coolant nasty mix now.

[061k]

you need to do an electrolysis check on cooling system if you have to keep replacing heater cores. best to do one right after installation..........oh in a warm place of course

[BlueLghtning]

Damn. Any indicator as to what made them keep failing?
Part of replacing mine will be thoroughly flushing the coolant system and making sure every last drop of Dex Cool is out, as I've heard that can destroy seals and wreak havoc. I had it in a shop 2 months ago to get a coolant flush but they just drained it and put in green, didn't flush it, so its a dex-cool/green coolant nasty mix now.

Suspicion was the coolant also, but it was changed every time too. I think those mid 90's S-10's and blazers with the 4.3 had lots of issues with heater cores. It was really my ex-wife's truck and her dad was a mechanic. He was the one changing them out, but after the 3rd one, he was getting tired of changing them himself! LOL.

[Mike]

you need to do an electrolysis check on cooling system if you have to keep replacing heater cores. best to do one right after installation..........oh in a warm place of course

my understanding of an electrolysis check is simply using a multimeter with the negative on the battery negative and the positive in the coolant...is that correct?

[Mongo]

somewhere warm like south florida? flex the plastic bits? as in drill bits? where do you come up with this bs?

Somewhere warm like preferably a garage if possible. As for the plastic bits - bits = pieces, quit being obtuse. There are a lot of plastic tabs and the like and if it's cold out it's not all that hard to snap them off when you're working in tight quarters.

Got anything else you'd like to say?

[Mongo]

you need to do an electrolysis check on cooling system if you have to keep replacing heater cores. best to do one right after installation..........oh in a warm place of course

You always a ****ing moron or is it just the cold making you that way? Yeah nevermind, you were pretty ****ing stupid in the summer too...

[061k]

i can tell you are not a hands on guy big fella...just sayin

[061k]

yes your correct. should read less than 0.3v

[061k]

You always a ****ing moron or is it just the cold making you that way? Yeah nevermind, you were pretty ****ing stupid in the summer too...

whats with all the f bombs? you should try and be more civil around the holidays. thats a personal attack which is against the rules.maybe i will go cry to the moderator like you do .......hence the badass that you are....lmoa. your too damn funny

[rr_double_rr]

Thanks everyone i appreciate it. As of right now I have bypassed my heater core (just pulled the two hoses off and coupled them together) so it will stop blowing vaporized antifreeze on my windshield and inside my cab...smelled like a WaHo inside my truck lol.

I had a 96 S-10 that would do the same thing. I'm admittedly not a mechanic, but this seems to be a common thing with them. Weird.

[Mongo]

i can tell you are not a hands on guy big fella...just sayin

Oh by all means Mr. Hands on - please tell me what I said that was incorrect.

[Mongo]

whats with all the f bombs? you should try and be more civil around the holidays. thats a personal attack which is against the rules.maybe i will go cry to the moderator like you do .......hence the badass that you are....lmoa. your too damn funny

Thought you wanted personal attacks since that's the game you were playing. Just responding in kind.

While you're searching for something I've said that is wrong, find one single time I've ever on any board complained to a moderator.

[061k]

:rofl:
Thought you wanted personal attacks since that's the game you were playing. Just responding in kind.

While you're searching for something I've said that is wrong, find one single time I've ever on any board complained to a moderator.

wow you have a selective memory too.as i recall you cryed to ladyjane or whoever that i was a badass ,troll etc and you were tired of me out witting you all the time. you cant remember that ? did you suffer that much pyschological distress that day?. i am sorry big fella

[Mongo]

Talking about you where you can read it isn't telling the mods on you. Now come on little boy, go find the stuff you're saying I said. Otherwise we'll have to add liar to the list of names that fit you.

[elwood]

had a 94 s-10 blazer that I had to replace the heater core on, take your time and make sure you don't have to stay up until 2 a.m. to be able to drive it to work the next morning

[061k]

Talking about you where you can read it isn't telling the mods on you. Now come on little boy, go find the stuff you're saying I said. Otherwise we'll have to add liar to the list of names that fit you.

dude you know you whined to ladyj.find the thread and prove me wrong.i think its somewhere in the subject of motorcylists runin from police,you know when you and your friend tried to tell me a car was faster on the track than a bike.i think lady j got on me for using the word bitches. she doesnt understand that the word bitches is used as an exclamation i guess. remember that mongo?

[Mongo]

I'm not the one lying, no need to prove anything. Good try to deflect but as usual, fail.

[061k]

I'm not the one lying, no need to prove anything. Good try to deflect but as usual, fail.

quit trying to flip the script you ****ing know it all. hows the jeep running? remember dont drink and drive

[Mongo]

Flip what script? You made a couple of accusations, now prove them liarboy.

[061k]

:rofl:
Flip what script? You made a couple of accusations, now prove them liarboy.

well i will try to find the thread that you were trying to get me banned in old timer. you think its warm enough today to work with plastic? speaking of, the blazer in question has only one plastic "bit" that is prone to breakage .it is the defrost grill and it will break no matter if its 15 or 100 degrees. all the others "plastic bits" are good to go. do you always make up your own tech terms....

[Mongo]

So none of the clips that the screw go into are mounted to plastic? Interesting, that would make the first dash in a long time that has only metal for all mounting points. Or is that another lie?

[roadkill]

Here is another idea to keep in mind........go to Pull-A-Part and take pics of S-10's with the dashes ripped out....you can see exactly what the attachment pieces (stampings and such) look like and where the screw/tab/presspin/dohickey stuff is.....gives you a real good idea of what it looks like naked.

[Gmoney]

or if it has a dash u can practice taking one apart..

[061k]

So none of the clips that the screw go into are mounted to plastic? Interesting, that would make the first dash in a long time that has only metal for all mounting points. Or is that another lie?

mongo screws dont go into clips.if it has a clip attached to it the clip is the method of attachment that would go into sheet metal or another plastic piece. if i am wrong explain. you also need to check your screws mongo

[Mongo]

Wow.

I'm not sure if you're stupid or just refusing to understand on purpose in order to prove some ****ed up point.

[061k]

Wow.

I'm not sure if you're stupid or just refusing to understand on purpose in order to prove some ****ed up point.

have you ever used tools mongo? i think not and it shows

[Mongo]

Still got nothing huh liar? Pitiful.

[061k]

Still got nothing huh liar? Pitiful.

you had your mod friends delete all of it....one of them tipped me off

[Mongo]

Seriously? You lie and then back it up with more lies? A really pitiful excuse for a lie too since I don't have any mod friends...

[roadkill]

Hey, what the hell is going on here????? I have been gone for a couple of hours and not one damned single juvenile thing has been posted. Look, I don't have all day to wait.......post some childish crap right now or else.

[061k]

Seriously? You lie and then back it up with more lies? A really pitiful excuse for a lie too since I don't have any mod friends...

really?? not a bit of shame in your game is there old timer? no mod friends a mate? = another lie

[roadkill]

really?? not a bit of shame in your game is there old timer? no mod friends a mate? = another lie

See? I knew you had it in you. Just wake up from your nap?

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

really?? not a bit of shame in your game is there old timer? no mod friends a mate? = another lie


Jesus, please stop using "slick" expressions, they make you sound even less credible. Do you talk like that in real life?

[061k]

Jesus, please stop using "slick" expressions, they make you sound even less credible. Do you talk like that in real life?

get a job short stuff and maybe a life where your not on gsb 24/7

[061k]

See? I knew you had it in you. Just wake up from your nap?

sure did your mom woke me up

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

This message is hidden because 061k is on your ignore list.


Huh.. I don't think I've ever used that before. Quite nice.

[061k]

wow

[Mongo]

really?? not a bit of shame in your game is there old timer? no mod friends a mate? = another lie

Name one.

What are we at now, 3 things you can't back up? Or is it 4?

Do you get off on making up shit or are you really that sad? Guess it really doesn't matter...

[061k]

what are you talking about? you tried to get me thrown off gsb by telling lady j that i threatened people, was a troll and some other bs because she was telling you to cool it. so you decided to throw that in for your defense ,now your saying it never happened and i made the shit up. really doesnt matter its all good sa...

[Mongo]

Liar.

[061k]

Liar.

pompinara va fan culo f***in imbecile

[Mongo]

Pitiful at insults and a liar. Nice combo.

[061k]

Pitiful at insults and a liar. Nice combo.

dude your gonna go to hell for being a liar, and you didnt go to church today either so your gonna wind up on the express train to hell my causian brother

[Mongo]

So now that you've been busted lying you're going to try yet again to make it about me? Failure and a liar.

[Todd]

how in the fk can a thread asking about dash removal turn into you two's personal pissing contest?

[061k]

So now that you've been busted lying you're going to try yet again to make it about me? Failure and a liar.

what did i lie about? that is the truth about what you told ladyj. why are you denying it ,you said it not me. only time i been busted it was by 5 0. heathen you are my brother

[Mongo]

what did i lie about? that is the truth about what you told ladyj. why are you denying it ,you said it not me. only time i been busted it was by 5 0. heathen you are my brother

You've lied three times in this thread alone and can't remember them? Truly a pitiful little man. If you're going to make up shit about people you should at least remember it.

[Mongo]

how in the fk can a thread asking about dash removal turn into you two's personal pissing contest?

Eh, he's making up lies about me and it's making me laugh to keep calling him on it :D

[061k]

how in the fk can a thread asking about dash removal turn into you two's personal pissing contest?

mongo is just practicing his good points. I'm offering help and now i got promoted to a liar by mongo..i think its an up grade from the usual idiot ,moron status .its all good

[Todd]

well both of ya do ME a favor, and STFU if its not related to the post at hand. :D TIA

[Mongo]

mongo is just practicing his good points. I'm offering help and now i got promoted to a liar by mongo..i think its an up grade from the usual idiot ,moron status .its all good

You really don't understand the basics of the language do you? I never said you were lying about the dash (although the whole denial of clips being mounted to plastic is pretty damned funny). I said you were lying about me. Don't lie and I won't call you a liar, is that so hard to understand?

[Mongo]

well both of ya do ME a favor, and STFU if its not related to the post at hand. :D TIA

:p

Okey dokey. It's gotten boring anyway :D

[061k]

You really don't understand the basics of the language do you? I never said you were lying about the dash (although the whole denial of clips being mounted to plastic is pretty damned funny). I said you were lying about me. Don't lie and I won't call you a liar, is that so hard to understand?

the only "clips" that are put on plastic trim that a screw or bolt goes through are called speed clips or tinnerman clips. i dont know of any other"clip" as you refer to them as in your own made up terminology ,that has a screw going through it . speed clips in plastic cannot support alot,limited to supporting a radio bracket at the most. sorry for your confusion, hope this clarifies it for you

[Mongo]

Um, so wait, now you're saying that they are used in the assembly of a dashboard? Not sure what the hell you were looking at in my posts but not once did I ever say they were in any way structural components holding the entire dashboard up with nothing else. Liar and a moron.

BTW - Pm'ing me is cute to try and pretend we're somehow buddies but as odd as this may seem I actually don't like liars. Especially people who lie about me. So you probably won't be getting a response.

[KTM Rider]

I see nothing has changed:lol:

Plastic dashboards have clips...clips that can break in the cold. Mongo's suggestion was a good one.

Oh and cars are faster on the track than a bike:up::lol:

[Seca]

well both of ya do ME a favor, and STFU if its not related to the post at hand. :D TIA

One is banned... see if the other follows suit. lol

[061k]

I see nothing has changed:lol:

Plastic dashboards have clips...clips that can break in the cold. Mongo's suggestion was a good one.

Oh and cars are faster on the track than a bike:up::lol:

yea only yours is

[KTM Rider]

yea only yours is

go look up the lap record for any track for motogp and then look at that same track config and the laptimes for F1.....or if you dont want to look at the pinnacle of each domain, look lower like maybe Road A and AMA and then Road A and petit lemans. the cars are faster all the time. they cost a lot more to build and run but they are faster.

you not knowing this makes it almost pointless to argue about it....kind of like trying to teach arithmetic to a retard you know.

[061k]

go look up the lap record for any track for motogp and then look at that same track config and the laptimes for F1.....or if you dont want to look at the pinnacle of each domain, look lower like maybe Road A and AMA and then Road A and petit lemans. the cars are faster all the time. they cost a lot more to build and run but they are faster.

you not knowing this makes it almost pointless to argue about it....kind of like trying to teach arithmetic to a retard you know.

moto gp vs f1 duh?um we were talking about street bikes vs production cars remember? i never said anything about modified bikes or cars . guess you didnt read the article i put up that day to prove you wrong.do you have the august 2010 sport rider maybe? or motorcyclist april 2002 gsxr 1000vs corvette, the bike wins back in a day and still does today. production cars cant hang with a streetbike bro, thought you would have figured that out by now. anyway what does this have to do with a heater core.back on topic when is the last time you installed one?? please explain how a metal speed clip is prone to break when its cold if thats the type clip you are referring to. anyway guess you havent done as many as me

[Derrick]

Made me think of you guys..
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[061k]

Made me think of you guys..


my point exactly .nice car but too bad its yellow.:up::deadhorse:

[KTM Rider]

production cars cant hang with a streetbike bro....

1st I aint your "bro"

2nd my offer is still good. bring your candy ass out to the north ga mtns (we can run hwy 17/75 from hiawassee to helen) on your bike and i will bring my car and we can see who cant hang:up:

[KTM Rider]

1st I aint your "bro"

2nd my offer is still good. bring your candy ass out to the north ga mtns (we can run hwy 17/75 from hiawassee to helen) on your bike and i will bring my car and we can see who cant hang:up:

unlike a couple magazine articles covering a track outing, i live, and drive, in the real world. in a straight line the car wont keep up. seeing as how my car will outcorner a bike and has plenty of power and you would have to deal with sand, dirt, and gravel that wouldnt faze me, it would take one hell of a set of big brass balls to outrun a car in the real world on a curvy road, traffic or not:up:

[061k]

unlike a couple magazine articles covering a track outing, i live, and drive, in the real world. in a straight line the car wont keep up. seeing as how my car will outcorner a bike and has plenty of power and you would have to deal with sand, dirt, and gravel that wouldnt faze me, it would take one hell of a set of big brass balls to outrun a car in the real world on a curvy road, traffic or not:up:

only morons race on the street or mountains bro, not only that its against the law frankie law.so now you went from track comparisons to street racing comparisons because i proved you wrong about the streetbike vs production car on the track.guess the video isnt true either? only a moron would race a car or bike on any public road and endanger themselves or others. why are you dragging me into this street race bs anyway?all i said was a streetbike is faster than a production car,never said my bike or my car was or wasnt unlike you and your constant boasting.so i guess i would rather be a candyass as you call it than a DUMBASS that would want to race you or anyone else on the street. i guess you just want to see someone get hurt racing on the street in "the real world" so you can have something to laugh or brag about. so sorry frank law i am not going to race you on the street or at all,i have nothing to prove to you ,but you proved what you are by your challenge.so call it what you will and call me what you want, its all good, end of discussion.oh and your vette with 400 hp is by far plenty of power" in the real world".:deadhorse: so back on topic how many heater cores have did you say you replaced?

[KTM Rider]

didnt watch the vids. didnt have to. having owned numerous liter bikes and plenty of fast cars and knowing how to operate both rather proficiently, i can tell you without a doubt that with the same mods to each, sticky rubber, suspension tuning, and brake upgrades, the car would be very competitive against a sportbike on most tracks. some tracks would favor each due to their layouts but overall the comparison would be very close. as for taking a stock production car to the track....well that is just about as silly as racing cars on the street isnt it? taking things and attempting to use them in a way they werent designed and risking your own safety to do so. i sure wouldnt hop on a track on a GSXR on street tires and try to turn some hot laps. the stock setup is made for folks like you to drive it to starbucks. so really each vehicle would need some mods to operate it on the track safely. once that happens, you would be surprised just how well a car can go around a racetrack. btw....one jackass cant prove another jackass wrong on the internet fyi:up: proving things to be true or not involves actually doing them.

i am the smartest moron you will ever meet:up:

i have only changed 3 heater cores. 2 in mustangs and 1 in a CJ7.

[061k]

hope you didnt pull the whole dash out of the car to do the mustang

[TurboTech]

Ill borrow a bone stock EvoX with the twin clutch trans from sales one weekend..Challenge any bike on 60, from the rockpile to two, with a turn around and back to the pile!!!!...It only gets about 240hp to the wheels stock FWIW....

I bet I could lap Tally and Barber faster than most bikes on a stock one to...Long straight tracks, it would get eaten up stock...The things grip like crazy, and come of the corners like a tazed cat on carpet..


And I've done lots of heater cores if if matters.

[061k]

Ill borrow a bone stock EvoX with the twin clutch trans from sales one weekend..Challenge any bike on 60, from the rockpile to two, with a turn around and back to the pile!!!!...It only gets about 240hp to the wheels stock FWIW....

I bet I could lap Tally and Barber faster than most bikes on a stock one to...Long straight tracks, it would get eaten up stock...The things grip like crazy, and come of the corners like a tazed cat on carpet..


And I've done lots of heater cores if if matters.

no respect for the law maybe?

[TurboTech]

Never...Well some, the ones I care about....

[SquireSCA]

So Frank, what are your car lap times on Road A? How do they compare to his bike times?

Rather than race on public roads and risk killing some poor schmuck coming the other way, why not just compare your track times with your "fast" car?

Seems reasonable, and won't get anyone killed...

[KTM Rider]

I dont have lap times from Road A in my car. :D

However another car setup just like mine has lapped the full Road A configuration at 1:33 with the following mods and there was still room to go since it was being driven by a weekend warrior club racer. A pro in the same car no doubt could do better.

The same basic config as mine except I dont have DOT race tires on my car right now):PFADT coilovers, T1 swaybars, carbotech pads, hoosier R6 tires, 385rwhp :)

Since the C5 was built from 2001-2004, lets take a look at this....lap times from the same config at Road A in AMA 600 race...these are bikes built by companies with unlimited budgets and piloted by riders with very high levels of talent. Looking purely at lap times, one can see that this street legal car could finish top 20 in an AMA pro race!:lol:

http://home.ama-cycle.org/prorace/raceres/rr/cres.asp?cls=ls&snct=P8325&type=q&year=2003

Now I wonder how it would do against street legal liter bikes ridden by John Q Public AKA weekend warrior in stock config except race tires and an exhaust, basically the same state of tune as the car?

For reference, the last time the AMA boys rode a GSXR 1000 in anger out there on the same config as this car was running (old turns 3 and 12) was some time ago and I think the lap times were 1:21-1:22. For reference a similarly equipped and funded team piloting a C5R race car at Road A can accomplish about 3-4 seconds better than that, with the C6R being even faster.

In racing its all about grip and lateral Gs. A bike is limited to the amount of grip it can produce solely as a function of lean angle. Cars on the otherhand are not bound by this constraint because not only are their contact patches larger but they can employ aerodynamic aids to increase down force. Bikes typically shine in acceleration and handling (the same width racetrack is relatively much wider for a bike) but lack grip both in corners and for braking. Anybody who has raced anything knows most passing and thus winning is determined on the brakes and in the corners.

I wont say that in every case a performance car will best a performance bike but I would put my money on the car more often than not. Not to mention I can do all of this in shorts in air conditioned comfort while listening to the radio and having a naked chick sit in the next seat if so needed:lol:

[SquireSCA]

I dont have lap times from Road A in my car. :D

However another car setup just like mine has lapped the full Road A configuration at 1:33 with the following mods and there was still room to go since it was being driven by a weekend warrior club racer. A pro in the same car no doubt could do better.

The same basic config as mine except I dont have DOT race tires on my car right now):PFADT coilovers, T1 swaybars, carbotech pads, hoosier R6 tires, 385rwhp :)

Since the C5 was built from 2001-2004, lets take a look at this....lap times from the same config at Road A in AMA 600 race...these are bikes built by companies with unlimited budgets and piloted by riders with very high levels of talent. Looking purely at lap times, one can see that this street legal car could finish top 20 in an AMA pro race!:lol:

http://home.ama-cycle.org/prorace/raceres/rr/cres.asp?cls=ls&snct=P8325&type=q&year=2003

Now I wonder how it would do against street legal liter bikes ridden by John Q Public AKA weekend warrior in stock config except race tires and an exhaust, basically the same state of tune as the car?

For reference, the last time the AMA boys rode a GSXR 1000 in anger out there on the same config as this car was running (old turns 3 and 12) was some time ago and I think the lap times were 1:21-1:22. For reference a similarly equipped and funded team piloting a C5R race car at Road A can accomplish about 3-4 seconds better than that, with the C6R being even faster.

In racing its all about grip and lateral Gs. A bike is limited to the amount of grip it can produce solely as a function of lean angle. Cars on the otherhand are not bound by this constraint because not only are their contact patches larger but they can employ aerodynamic aids to increase down force. Bikes typically shine in acceleration and handling (the same width racetrack is relatively much wider for a bike) but lack grip both in corners and for braking. Anybody who has raced anything knows most passing and thus winning is determined on the brakes and in the corners.

I wont say that in every case a performance car will best a performance bike but I would put my money on the car more often than not. Not to mention I can do all of this in shorts in air conditioned comfort while listening to the radio and having a naked chick sit in the next seat if so needed:lol:

All of that makes sense, but how many drivers really know how to drive a car? The limitations that the average rider would face, would apply to most drivers as well.

It is interesting though. Basically, every bike versus car race I have seen, the bike wins. Sometimes barely, but that is with a street legal bike versus some exotic supercar, both driven by "experts"...

One I saw was a ZX6R versus a 565hp Nissan Skyline GTR. Car had AWD and all that, but the 600 beat it on a road course.

There are so many variables to consider. It would be interesting if you had been on that track, with your car, and he had his lap times to compare to.

[Ibleedgreen]

What a stupid thread, lmao.

[KTM Rider]

All of that makes sense, but how many drivers really know how to drive a car? The limitations that the average rider would face, would apply to most drivers as well.

It is interesting though. Basically, every bike versus car race I have seen, the bike wins. Sometimes barely, but that is with a street legal bike versus some exotic supercar, both driven by "experts"...

One I saw was a ZX6R versus a 565hp Nissan Skyline GTR. Car had AWD and all that, but the 600 beat it on a road course.

There are so many variables to consider. It would be interesting if you had been on that track, with your car, and he had his lap times to compare to.

Except that certain limitations that they would be face are environmental. Go through a curve too hot with gravel or dirt in it in a car and me and my passenger look at each other and giggle. Do the same on a bike and you know what happens.

Since I drive a street legal car and most everyone here rides a street legal bike it makes sense to discuss reality instead of the hypothetical. As I mentioned earlier, in the real world, I think certain cars are much more capable than sportbikes on curvy roads. They allow for similar speeds in the straights and greater cornering forces.

Are sportbikes a whole hell of a lot of fun? Absolutely:up: I just dont think that they are always "faster" than a car...the right car.

[JWill]

What a stupid thread, lmao.

For three days, I've been trying to think of something to say that fits this thread, you Sir, NAILED IT

[LadyJaye]

Ok, since you can't get this thing back on topic, off to the boneyard we go.

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

Ok, since you can't get this thing back on topic, off to the boneyard we go.


Yeah, this thing was gonna go back on topic after veering 745* off course.... :lol: :lol:

[Butthead]

i heart cheryl!!

[Gmoney]

I can take a dashboard off of a motorcycle faster than off of a car.

[Butthead]

did you actually write this sentence yourself?


I can take a dashboard off of a motorcycle faster than off of a car.

[MX Tuner]

A number of years ago, when Castrol Jaguar was running the GTP cars at Road A, they were practicing the day before the pits opened for the GNF. We talked with Tom Walkinshaw and asked him about the car times vs top speed. The fastest superbikes were doing about 170mph back then with the old Road A configuration. Davey Jones was driving for Jag and doing roughly 1:15 lap times. He'd come out from under the bridge and it didn't look like he shut off for turn one. Top speed was about the same as the fastest bikes, but he was cutting well over 10 seconds a lap off the best bike times of the day- all through faster cornering speed.

[roadkill]

A number of years ago, when Castrol Jaguar was running the GTP cars at Road A, they were practicing the day before the pits opened for the GNF. We talked with Tom Walkinshaw and asked him about the car times vs top speed.

I guess you know that Tom Walkinshaw just lost his battle with cancer. He was only 64.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=396353#

[MX Tuner]

I guess you know that Tom Walkinshaw just lost his battle with cancer. He was only 64.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=396353#

No, I didn't!:shocked:

[Gmoney]

wow - I hadn't heard that either...