There we have it, iPhone to Verizon

[jkhonea]

Done deal. Announced this morning. Unlimited data plan. And apparently the iPhone is going to have the Mobile Hotspot for 5 people included on the phone data plan, something still extra on Droid. Mary's will be ordered on February 3rd. Can't wait for the new toy.

[Georgiacbr]

Sweet this gives Att a run for it's money on Plans now....

Your going to love that Iphone4 mine is decent just wished I didn't go with a shit hole service Like ATT.

[John]

I've never had any issues with AT&T and actually plan on getting an iphone from them next month when mu contract is up. I do hope they have a competetive data plan with Verizon. How much is their unlimited plan? I really wish I knew when the rumored iphone 5 was being released.

[Georgiacbr]

I've never had any issues with AT&T and actually plan on getting an iphone from them next month when mu contract is up. I do hope they have a competetive data plan with Verizon. How much is their unlimited plan? I really wish I knew when the rumored iphone 5 was being released.

Iphone5 is this summer. Att has the lowest ratings i've heard nothing but issues from People about them and Cr reports rated them pretty bad.

[jkhonea]

The iPhone 5 with AT&T should be out around June. Not sure about the Verizon. Unlimited data with Verizon is $29.99 per month. And this should include the mobile hotspot for tethering to laptops, iPads, etc.

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

Meh, I can tether with my Droid for free. :D

[Georgiacbr]

Meh, I can tether with my Droid for free. :D

Yea more power to you but Mine is hacked so I can do that too.

[jkhonea]

Meh, I can tether with my Droid for free. :D

So can I, but this means I will be able to use the iPhone of Mary's as well without having to jailbreak. It is included in the Data package on this one.

[John]

So can I, but this means I will be able to use the iPhone of Mary's as well without having to jailbreak. It is included in the Data package on this one.

You're assuming Mary will let you use her iphone

[MrBlah]

waiting to see what the monthly rates are

we have one of those verizon hotspots for our ipad, it works pretty good, but if I do not have at&t coverage, it rarely works either

will this viphone do voice + data like the att version? I use the crap out of my iphone, I would hate to miss a call, not sure how that works on the 2g tech networks

[jkhonea]

You're assuming Mary will let you use her iphone

Good point. :crackup:

I won't need it much, mainly just like having a backup for tethering if I don't have my Incredible or if the battery is low. Plus, this makes it easier since we have games for the iTouch for Mason. Now we will be able to put them on her phone and not have to carry the Touch. Much easier. Plus, she has a piece of garbage LG Ally now that is long overdue for an upgrade.

[jkhonea]

waiting to see what the monthly rates are

we have one of those verizon hotspots for our ipad, it works pretty good, but if I do not have at&t coverage, it rarely works either

I posted the rates above. $29.99 unlimited data with hotspot. I've got the rates from my Droid. They're staying the same.

I can pull the phone rates also if you need.

[John]

I posted the rates above. $29.99 unlimited data with hotspot. I've got the rates from my Droid. They're staying the same.

I can pull the phone rates also if you need.

Actually if you read Verizon's FAQ's they say rate plan pricing is coming. They may jack things up a bit



http://support.vzw.com/faqs/iphone/iphone_faq.html

[John]

I'm going to go out on a limb and the Verizon iphone package may not live up to the hype

[Gmoney]

may get one for a 2nd line - but really perfer the android.. Now when the true 4G phones/network comes out I will be first in line!

[JSKeezy]

Verizon stock up......AT&T stock down..... Apple stock WAAAAAYYYY UP..... That is a good look for Apple!!!!

[TarzanMan]

The free hotspot feature is nice, but nothing that you can't already do with a jailbroken AT&T iPhone.

Only UMTS 3G (and LTE) allows for simultaneous data and voice traffic on a handset. If you are outside an AT&T 3G coverage area (and using EDGE), then you will NOT be able to receive phone calls while using data.

Verizon will probably charge $10-$20 more than AT&T for iPhone service.

Hmm, AT&T has some tough choices to make. If they were smart, then they would try to gobble up T-mobile and leapfrog Verizon to become the largest carrier (Verizon only has 400,000 more subscribers than AT&T). Probably wouldn't fly with the FCC or DOJ, though.

I, for one will be sad to listen to new droves of idiots with iPhones telling me how much they love their phone and Apple.

[jkhonea]

Actually if you read Verizon's FAQ's they say rate plan pricing is coming. They may jack things up a bit



http://support.vzw.com/faqs/iphone/iphone_faq.html

They might, but I don't think so. Talking with several people that work with Verizon on the Droid board and they also say the pricing is staying the same. If I see something different, I'll make sure to update here, but I will bet it stays the same. Of course it may be different since I should be grandfathered. I'll check back.

[MrBlah]

on the att you can get calls when your using 2g data, it stops the data and switches to the call, you cant swap out to an app like google while talking to someone on 2g

[Todd]

waiting to see what the monthly rates are

we have one of those verizon hotspots for our ipad, it works pretty good, but if I do not have at&t coverage, it rarely works either

will this viphone do voice + data like the att version? I use the crap out of my iphone, I would hate to miss a call, not sure how that works on the 2g tech networksif your asking if you can be on a call and surf the web at the same time, the answer is no. Its still a CDMA network and not capable of that. BUT, if its like the Droid's, you wont miss a call if your on the web. The call will come thru, then when youre done with the call, go right back to where you were on the web.

[JSKeezy]

The free hotspot feature is nice, but nothing that you can't already do with a jailbroken AT&T iPhone.

Only UMTS 3G (and LTE) allows for simultaneous data and voice traffic on a handset. If you are outside an AT&T 3G coverage area (and using EDGE), then you will NOT be able to receive phone calls while using data.

Verizon will probably charge $10-$20 more than AT&T for iPhone service.

Hmm, AT&T has some tough choices to make. If they were smart, then they would try to gobble up T-mobile and leapfrog Verizon to become the largest carrier (Verizon only has 400,000 more subscribers than AT&T). Probably wouldn't fly with the FCC or DOJ, though.

I, for one will be sad to listen to new droves of idiots with iPhones telling me how much they love their phone and Apple.

Doubt that ATT will gobble up T-Mobile seeing that T-Mobile have spent a nice load of money upgrading the HSPA+.....if anything T-mobile is still trying to grab Sprint

[patracy]

I'll be sticking with AT&T, I just hope this spurs on some pricing wars between the two. I wish AT&T would bring 3G out to the woods I live in.

[jkhonea]

I'll be sticking with AT&T, I just hope this spurs on some pricing wars between the two. I wish AT&T would bring 3G out to the woods I live in.

I really hope you're right. This should at least open up competition again. It's a good thing. Hopefully we will all benefit.

Drew, you still on the iPhone or an Android? Couldn't remember what you had last.

[TroyBoy30]

http://www.engadget.com/apple/verizon-iphone/

We've waited and waited, and now Apple and Verizon have made a million dreams come true: the iPhone is coming to Big Red. After talking up his new LTE network a bit, Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam confirmed a CDMA (non-LTE) version of the iPhone 4 is coming to Verizon Wireless next month. Talks started way back in 2008, and the phone has been in testing for a year -- it sounds like they wanted to get this one right. Current Verizon customers will be able to pre-order on Feburary 3rd for the standard $200 price for the 16GB model on a two year agreement, $300 for the 32GB version -- everyone else can order on February 10th (see it compared with AT&T's iPhone 4 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/atandt-iphone-4-vs-verizon-iphone-4-whats-changed/)). Just to clarify and put any wild rumors to bed, the phone is Verizon 3G (EV-DO) only, no 4G data or GSM roaming. It's not a world phone or an AT&T + Verizon phone, it's just a Verizon phone.

Outside of Verizon connectivity, the phone is basically unchanged, although Verizon's CDMA network doesn't support simultaneous voice and data as with the GSM version. It does have the new antenna design (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizons-iphone-4-has-a-new-antenna-design/) we were hearing about last week, but that's just because CMDA requires a different configuration of antennas. (Apple says they didn't go LTE just yet because first-gen chipsets would force unwanted design decisions, and customers want a Verizon device now.) That slight modification also equates to a slight bump in where the volume buttons and mute switch -- a new case might be required (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-has-relocated-buttons-will-require-new-cases/). Software-wise the big innovation is five user WiFi hotspot functionality (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-4-will-have-3g-mobile-hotspot/), something that's standard on Android phones, while Apple has kept the iPhone only able to tether directly to one computer.

Check out our full hands-on with the Verizon iPhone (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-first-hands-on/) right here, and stay tuned -- we've got lots more coming up.


http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-4-will-have-3g-mobile-hotspot/

It'll probably be subject to an additional fee as usual, but Verizon and Apple have just revealed (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/live-from-verizons-iphone-event/) that the new CDMA iPhone 4 (http://www.engadget.com/apple/verizon-iphone/) will act as a mobile WiFi connection for up to five devices. It'll come with an iOS-specific version of the Verizon 3G Mobile Hotspot that folks have been enjoying on their Droids for many moons now. That should allowing for laptops, tablets and the like to get online via iPhone without a pesky cord (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/atandt-makes-sweeping-changes-to-data-plans-iphone-tethering-comi/), and almost certainly make the long-verboten (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/same-as-it-ever-was-you-cant-tether-an-iphone-to-the-ipad/) iPhone - iPad tethering connection finally attainable. Joy to the world!

Update: Verizon called it an app, but getting hands-on (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-first-hands-on/) we can see that's not the case at all -- Personal Hotspot is built right into the CDMA iPhone 4's build of iOS 4.2.5. Perhaps we'll see it migrate to other devices as well?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizons-iphone-4-has-a-new-antenna-design/

Would you look at that, Verizon's iPhone 4 (http://www.engadget.com/apple/verizon-iphone/) has four notches punctuating its external antenna array -- one more than you may find on AT&T's version (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/iphone-4-review/), with the top notch migrating to the side. Before you all jump on conspiracy theories about fixes and such, Tim Cook has just confirmed on stage (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/live-from-verizons-iphone-event/) that changes had to be made to work on the CDMA network, meaning that for users this is pretty much an aesthetic alteration. Otherwise, you're looking at an almost (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-has-relocated-buttons-will-require-new-cases/) identical device to what AT&T users have been enjoying since June of last year -- savvy nerds will just be able to tell the CDMA version apart at one glance.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/atandt-iphone-4-vs-verizon-iphone-4-whats-changed/

Is an iPhone 4 (http://www.engadget.com/tag/iPhone4/), an iPhone 4? Not quite, now that Verizon has launched a CDMA version of the device -- in fact, there are a number of notable differences that you're going to want to consider before buying either model (or making the jump from AT&T to Big Red). We wanted to dig in and see exactly what has changed -- how does pricing compare, for instance? What features have been added or removed? In light of both Verizon's and AT&T's harping on 4G data (http://mobile.engadget.com/tag/4g) in the past week at CES (http://www.engadget.com/tag/CES/), do either of these phones support it? Let's have a quick look!

<table style="width: 600px; height: 122px;" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="20%">
</td> <td align="center" valign="bottom" width="20%">AT&T
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/iphone-4-thumb.jpg
</td> <td align="center" valign="bottom" width="20%">Verizon
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/iphone-4-thumb.jpg
</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table style="width: 600px; height: 122px;" border="1px solid black" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" frame="HSIDES" rules="ROWS"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">Price (on contract)</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">$199 16GB, $299 32GB</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">$199 16GB, $299 32GB</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">Data plan¹</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">$15 / 200MB

$25 / 2GB

$45 / 2GB with tethering</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">$15 / 150MB?

$29.99 / unlimited?

$49.99 / unlimited with 2GB tethering?</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">Early upgrades available at launch</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" valign="top" width="20%">Yes</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">No</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">Global roaming capability</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" valign="top" width="20%">Yes</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">No</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">Simultaneous voice / data on 3G</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" valign="top" width="20%">Yes</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">No</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">WiFi mobile hotspot option</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">No</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" valign="top" width="20%">Yes</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">4G data (HSPA+ / LTE)</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">No</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">No</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="20%">Rated talk time</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" valign="top" width="20%">2G voice:
14 hours

3G voice: 7 hours

3G web: 6 hours

WiFi web: 10 hours</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top" width="20%">2G voice:
Not available

3G voice: 7 hours

3G web: 6 hours

WiFi web: 10 hours</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> ¹Verizon hasn't announced iPhone plan pricing yet, so current smartphone pricing is used here for comparison.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-has-relocated-buttons-will-require-new-cases/The leaks suggested that the Verizon iPhone (http://www.engadget.com/apple/verizon-iphone/) would have have slightly relocated buttons, and it's true -- as you can see in the photo above, the newly revised CDMA antenna notch (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizons-iphone-4-has-a-new-antenna-design/) has pushed the volume and mute controls down a hair from GSM version. That means a lot of cases -- Apple's current bumpers included -- won't fit properly on the Verizon version, although many third-party cases feature an open slot for the buttons that might still work. Either way, we'd bet Apple and third-party manufacturers are scrambling to have compatible cases in stores before the February 10th launch date -- just make sure to check yours first if you're switching from AT&T.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/verizon-iphone-first-hands-on/

We just got a look at the Verizon version of the iPhone 4 (http://www.engadget.com/apple/verizon-iphone/). Guess what? It's just like an iPhone 4! There's no custom pre-loaded Verizon software (like VCAST or some such bloatware), just that mobile hotspot tweak in the settings menu. There's also no Verizon branding on the phone, though that's hardly a surprise given Apple's hatred of all logos that aren't its own. The only real physical difference we can find are those tweaked CDMA-compatible antennas running around the edge -- four in all, placed symmetrically and bumping down the volume / mute buttons. Interestingly, the phone is running iOS version 4.2.5, so perhaps that mobile hotspot functionality will make its way over to other iPhones when they sync up on iOS updates.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/iphone-4-with-cdma-for-verizon-gets-fcc-approval-right-on-time/


gonna be so nice to not hear the daily rumors any longer!

[JSKeezy]

We all know Verizon's Global network may be the worst....We can call this the "domestic" Iphone...:lol:

[Georgiacbr]

Verizon stock up......AT&T stock down..... Apple stock WAAAAAYYYY UP..... That is a good look for Apple!!!!

ATT stock down dam I love it (LOL) keep it rolling down prices for ATT.

[jkhonea]

Thanks for finding that, Troy. Very nice articles.

[Georgiacbr]

"AT&T is putting on a brave face in the wake of Verizon's coup, with the carrier's PR manager claiming that AT&T has the fastest data network in the U.S. and warning iPhone users who defect to get "ready for life in the slow lane."

The reality, however, is that AT&T is facing the prospect of losing a good-sized chunk of frustrated iPhone users to Verizon, which pummeled AT&T more than a year ago with those devastating "there's a map for that" ads."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_technews/20110111/tc_yblog_technews/its-official-verizon-gets-the-iphone

[She Rides]

Glad to hear Apple is opening up the iPhone to other carriers! Nice to have a choice. I love my iPhone but I can't stand ATT's customer service. The mobile HotSpot would be great.

[PlayfulGod]

All of the big 3 are claiming to have the fastest network these days tho lol

[MrBlah]

how is latency on the cdma network? That was the biggest improvement going to 3g, the latency went way way down, from 700ms to 50ms

[jkhonea]

how is latency on the cdma network? That was the biggest improvement going to 3g, the latency went way way down, from 700ms to 50ms

Do you know what the best Android app would be to check for that? If you can let me know, I'll test it for Snellville and let you know how I'm looking here.

[jkhonea]

Nevermind turns out I already had one installed. My results were 312 kbps down, 139 kpbs up and 249 latency. I know it isn't the fastest, but its dependable. Of course, I'm sure there is some seriously heavy traffic running on the phone systems today as well.

[TroyBoy30]

I still like this

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/10/sony-ericsson-names-xperia-arc-cpu-dubs-android-2-4-appearance/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

[keevo54]

I am definately ready to get rid of ATT. The service absolutely sucks. Maybe it will get better when everyone goes to verizon lol

[SquireSCA]

I'm going to go out on a limb and the Verizon iphone package may not live up to the hype

They will not do a $30 unlimited data plan and throw in a tethering plan for free. The only reason to do that would be because they don't feel that the iPhone will sell as well as they had hoped.

And offering such a plan would probably piss off all there other customers that are paying $30 and verizon charges an extra $20 for tethering.

Also, some good reading.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/11/5813972-five-reasons-not-to-buy-the-verizon-iphone-yet

[jkhonea]

They will not do a $30 unlimited data plan and throw in a tethering plan for free. The only reason to do that would be because they don't feel that the iPhone will sell as well as they had hoped.

And offering such a plan would probably piss off all there other customers that are paying $30 and verizon charges an extra $20 for tethering.

Also, some good reading.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/11/5813972-five-reasons-not-to-buy-the-verizon-iphone-yet

And yet this is exactly what they are doing for the BB customers. Don't discount that it will happen.

[jkhonea]

1. Verizon is pushing 4G, but iPhone is 3G
I would rather stick with my old, slow 3G and data package rates and unlimited data until I know for sure what LTE holds in the future. Still no details on Verizon's charges, and the fact that they are staying so quiet about this indicates there WILL be a price difference to me.

2. Verizon's 3G is actually slower than AT&T's 3G
Again, if you've been with Verizon, this is nothing new. We've already been here.

3. The iPhone might have inherent phone flaws
The antenna was one of the biggest and has been changed to work with CDMA.

4. The iPhone can't run voice and data simultaneously
For those of us already with Verizon, we've dealt with this for years with no problem. Will AT&T converts have a problem with it? Yes. Anyone who's been here is already used to the system.

5. iPhone 5 is due in June
This is only speculation on their behalf that Verizon will also get their version in June. There is every possibility it will go to a staggered release.

[TroyBoy30]

Agreed!

I think staggered makes sense now also. Verizon iPhone LTE in Jan 2012. Att iPhone 5 in June like always. Now my question is will the iPhone 5 for att be LTE? Att should have it rolled out by then.

How long before att approves this? lol





One of the major new features offered with the Verizon iPhone 4 announced today is support for turning the device into a personal hotspot allowing up to five Wi-Fi devices to share the iPhone's cellular data connection. Personal hotspot support comes built directly into the operating system of the Verizon iPhone 4, which is running a new iOS 4.2.5.

According to both iPhoneclub.nl [Google translation] and iPhoneHellas [Google translation], Apple will be bringing the same personal hotspot support to current GSM iPhones with a forthcoming iOS 4.3 update.

The catch is that the functionality is also subject to the approval of individual carriers, requiring them to be onboard for allowing their customers to access the feature. For its part, AT&T has said that it is "evaluating" the hotspot feature and that it has "no plans to announce today".

Despite support for somewhat-similar Internet tethering via USB and Bluetooth included in iPhone OS 3.0 released in mid-2009 and with a number of international carriers moving quickly to support the feature, AT&T waited an entire year as it cited concerns over network performance before finally supporting the feature with the release of iOS 4.0.

Article Link: iOS 4.3 to Bring Mobile Hotspots to GSM iPhones, Pending Carrier Support?

[SquireSCA]

1. Verizon is pushing 4G, but iPhone is 3G
I would rather stick with my old, slow 3G and data package rates and unlimited data until I know for sure what LTE holds in the future. Still no details on Verizon's charges, and the fact that they are staying so quiet about this indicates there WILL be a price difference to me.

2. Verizon's 3G is actually slower than AT&T's 3G
Again, if you've been with Verizon, this is nothing new. We've already been here.

3. The iPhone might have inherent phone flaws
The antenna was one of the biggest and has been changed to work with CDMA.

4. The iPhone can't run voice and data simultaneously
For those of us already with Verizon, we've dealt with this for years with no problem. Will AT&T converts have a problem with it? Yes. Anyone who's been here is already used to the system.

5. iPhone 5 is due in June
This is only speculation on their behalf that Verizon will also get their version in June. There is every possibility it will go to a staggered release.

So what you are getting in a last generation phone that is soon to be replaced, on a slower 3G network, with no voice and data at the same time.

So you gain reliability, but you lose performance and features.

That is what surprises me about this. Why wouldn't they wait till June and just release the LTE version in the iPhone 5? Why release a phone that is already outdated and all that?

[jkhonea]

So what you are getting in a last generation phone that is soon to be replaced, on a slower 3G network, with no voice and data at the same time.

So you gain reliability, but you lose performance and features.

That is what surprises me about this. Why wouldn't they wait till June and just release the LTE version in the iPhone 5? Why release a phone that is already outdated and all that?

Because the full LTE isn't going to be done until a minimum 2013, Dave. If the full LTE was in place, that would be another thing. They would only have a handful of people interested in getting an LTE device if they couldn't fully implement it.

[TroyBoy30]

If you read it's easy. Customers wanted an iPhone now. They wanted it 5 years ago. It will be a year before an LTE version comes out. Some would rather use the non LTE for a year then upgrade when the LTE is available. Some Get stuck always waiting? Very doubtful they will do a 6 month cycle. They will do a yearly release for both providers. April for verizon, June for att

[SquireSCA]

Because the full LTE isn't going to be done until a minimum 2013, Dave. If the full LTE was in place, that would be another thing. They would only have a handful of people interested in getting an LTE device if they couldn't fully implement it.

Well, true. I guess that I take LTE into consideration because we live in a town that has it.

My girlfriend is ready to switch because she gets dropped calls daily. She will probably take my Droid X, and I will pick up the Droid Bionic.

[John]

Ant speculation as to what AT&T' iphone 5 will have in June? Is it worth waiting for?

[SquireSCA]

If you read it's easy. Customers wanted an iPhone now. They wanted it 5 years ago.

If they wanted one 5 years ago, they would have gone to AT&T when their contracts expired and gotten one long before now. That doesn't make sense that someone would just sit there and wait for years and years, when all they had to do was wait a few months for their Sprint/Verizon/TMobile contract to expire and go get one.

[SquireSCA]

Ant speculation as to what AT&T' iphone 5 will have in June? Is it worth waiting for?

I searched for leaked specs, and there are not many, other than that Apple wants to start using their phone like a credit card for financial transaction and things. Not much as far has hardware was found...

[jkhonea]

Yup, per Apple's usual, there have been like no specs leaked, nor do I expect there to be. It can be easily said Apple tends to be one of the very best about keeping their secrets secret.

[TroyBoy30]

If they wanted one 5 years ago, they would have gone to AT&T when their contracts expired and gotten one long before now. That doesn't make sense that someone would just sit there and wait for years and years, when all they had to do was wait a few months for their Sprint/Verizon/TMobile contract to expire and go get one.

Really you're that dense? You actually think there is no % of users who have actually remained with verizon and have been waiting on the iPhone all this time? I wod wager otherwise. I see thread after thread after thread on multiple forums ever day started by verizon users who would not switch and have been counting the days for the iPhone


Specs on the phone haven't changed. It's an iPhone 4. The only diff is it's CDMA

A4 1 gig chip
512 ram
5mp camera
VGA camera
8, 16, 32 gig memory

[jkhonea]

That was why I bought my Incredible. As a holdover to the iPhone. End result is I will keep one Droid and one iPhone instead of both Droids or both iPhones.

[John]

I just don't see a mass exodus from AT&T to Verizon. Just doesn't seem like enough to gain when you factor in the cost of a new phone and contract than you add in termination fees plus the fact you have an AT&T phone that you bought which will be worthless

I'm sure Verizon will sell quite a few to their own customers who have been waiting plus from other carriers customers with contracts ending. Those alone will probably tally into the millions of customers

[TroyBoy30]

There won't be one.

[jkhonea]

It really isn't unless you have terrible service with AT&T at this point. If you do, then it is worthwhile. But if your coverage is fine, stay with it and don't spend the money.

[SquireSCA]

Really you're that dense? You actually think there is no % of users who have actually remained with verizon and have been waiting on the iPhone all this time? I wod wager otherwise. I see thread after thread after thread on multiple forums ever day started by verizon users who would not switch and have been counting the days for the iPhone

The question is, why wouldn't they switch?

At the end of a day, a phone call is a phone call, you can keep your phone number. If I wanted something that bad and all I had to do was walk across the street and get it, I wouldn't wait 5 years to do so.

There is a reason why so many people would not make the move to AT&T, and it is because of the shitty network and dropped calls that for years you have pretended don't exist. If someone really wanted an iPhone, they wouldn't wait for YEARS unless they simply were not willing to go to AT&T.

That's the answer, I just wanted to see it you would be honest

[SquireSCA]

It really isn't unless you have terrible service with AT&T at this point. If you do, then it is worthwhile. But if your coverage is fine, stay with it and don't spend the money.

Exactly. If you have 5mbit download speeds that nobody else gets, and double the battery life that everyone else gets and if you are the one AT&T customer to never have a dropped call in 13 years, then it probably makes sense to stay put. :)

[Georgiacbr]

Ant speculation as to what AT&T' iphone 5 will have in June? Is it worth waiting for?

http://reviews.cnet.com/iphone-5-most-wanted-features

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20100309/designedbyitem_610x427.png

[John]

The question is, why wouldn't they switch?

At the end of a day, a phone call is a phone call, you can keep your phone number. If I wanted something that bad and all I had to do was walk across the street and get it, I wouldn't wait 5 years to do so.

There is a reason why so many people would not make the move to AT&T, and it is because of the shitty network and dropped calls that for years you have pretended don't exist. If someone really wanted an iPhone, they wouldn't wait for YEARS unless they simply were not willing to go to AT&T.

That's the answer, I just wanted to see it you would be honest

I've been with AT&T for over 10 years traveling a good part of North America and never had a problem with them. I simultaneously had a Sprint phone which I had way more coverage and dropped call issues with

[SquireSCA]

http://reviews.cnet.com/iphone-5-most-wanted-features

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20100309/designedbyitem_610x427.png

I like how they not only make a point of requesting fewer dropped call, but also, 70% of that wish-list for the iPhone 5 is already available in Android. :-)

[jkhonea]

I've been with AT&T for over 10 years traveling a good part of North America and never had a problem with them. I simultaneously had a Sprint phone which I had way more coverage and dropped call issues with

I'm the opposite. I always carried my Verizon with an AT&T work phone and I can't count the number of times I had to finish a call on my Verizon line because the AT&T kept going out. Even sitting in my living room.

[SquireSCA]

I've been with AT&T for over 10 years traveling a good part of North America and never had a problem with them. I simultaneously had a Sprint phone which I had way more coverage and dropped call issues with

You are lucky, and that's great.

But the industry consensus from every forum, magazine, Consumer Reports et al, is that AT&T has the worst network in the country and the most dropped calls. Troy attempts to downplay it on a good day, and deny it on any other day, and that is the only point I was making there.

if there were millions of people clamoring and pining for an iPhone for 5 years as he said, then there is a reason why they haven't gotten one yet, and it is because of AT&T.

[TroyBoy30]

Yep I'll be sticking with att. My plans are grandfathered, super cheap, i have a great fan discount, and I get great service in the areas I spend the majority of my time (home, work, Augusta and everywhere in between). They just rolled out hspa+ and will have LTE later in the year. Both will be faster than verizons LTE. I'd be stupid to switch. Verizon simply doesn't have anything to offer me to make the switch worth while for me.

My only question is if the iPhone 5 will be LTE for att. I bet it won't! Apple never jumps on early tech. They wait for it to be well established. That's why the products and the is are stable and proven.

[SquireSCA]

I'm the opposite. I always carried my Verizon with an AT&T work phone and I can't count the number of times I had to finish a call on my Verizon line because the AT&T kept going out. Even sitting in my living room.

That is what happens to Donna. She lives in Alpharetta off of 400 and she cannot get a decent signal. And she works on Winwdard Pkwy, only 4 miles from her place, and there are 2 dead spots in that short commute.

[JSKeezy]

I like how they not only make a point of requesting fewer dropped call, but also, 70% of that wish-list for the iPhone 5 is already available in Android. :-)

+1 This will be a transition for A) people who had Iphone for AT&T to go to a network better than them and B) people who didnt want to go to AT&T because of the network to go to a reliable one...I am 100% sure that AT&T will lose about 10-15 percent of their Iphone base unless something DRASTICALLY HAPPENS to their network by Feb 3

[TroyBoy30]

You are lucky, and that's great.

But the industry consensus from every forum, magazine, Consumer Reports et al, is that AT&T has the worst network in the country and the most dropped calls. Troy attempts to downplay it on a good day, and deny it on any other day, and that is the only point I was making there.

if there were millions of people clamoring and pining for an iPhone for 5 years as he said, then there is a reason why they haven't gotten one yet, and it is because of AT&T.

Du. I thought we had established that. When I said. Those that waited on the iPhone instead of switching. What did you think that meant. If they wanted the phone but stuck with verizon instead of getting it. What else besides the provider could be the reason they chose not to switch? Amazing! See to me that was obvious.

[SquireSCA]

! Apple never jumps on early tech. They wait for it to be outdated. That's why the products and the is are able to be sold to you later as an upgrade.

Fixed it for ya.

[Georgiacbr]

You are lucky, and that's great.

But the industry consensus from every forum, magazine, Consumer Reports et al, is that AT&T has the worst network in the country and the most dropped calls. Troy attempts to downplay it on a good day, and deny it on any other day, and that is the only point I was making there.

if there were millions of people clamoring and pining for an iPhone for 5 years as he said, then there is a reason why they haven't gotten one yet, and it is because of AT&T.


LOL truth hurt's but Dave is so on the money .If you don't have problems dealing with Att that's great but many people out there do. I had Att fix my problem's after bitching about the date plan i was promised to keep after i ordered the Iphone4 a week after it was out. listening to others out there I understand Att still a problem when it comes to dealing with there staff. I just don't sugercoat the truth I deal with it or find someone else who deseves my bussiness it's that simple.

Sure there are better providers out there but you have certain drawback's to that. Iphone was only an Att for a wile and thing's have changed and the demands for smartphones have indeed changed too. Technology is one of those area's that refinement catches on rather fast. With that in mind thank god Iphone is going to Verizon.

[TroyBoy30]

We realize others have issues. Why can't you guys realize others don't.

Why do you have to bad mouth something to make your point Dave.

Please try to remember you are comparing very new or not even released android phones with a 6 month old iPhone. Get with me after the introduction of the iPhone 5 and then we can compare accurately.

[SquireSCA]

Please try to remember you are comparing very new or not even released android phones with a 6 month old iPhone. Get with me after the introduction of the iPhone 5 and then we can compare accurately.

Actually, I was looking at the top 20 requests for the iPhone 5 and comparing it to my Droid X that came out in July or August, so it is a fair comparison. The Droid X and iPhone 4 were releases within a couple weeks of each other. The list in that link, is what they are hoping for in the iPhone 5.

Who knows, maybe your iPhone 5 will catch up to my 5 month old phone.

In June, only a year later. :-)

[TroyBoy30]

Actually, I was looking at the top 20 requests for the iPhone 5 and comparing it to my Droid X that came out in July or August, so it is a fair comparison. The Droid X and iPhone 4 were releases within a couple weeks of each other. The list in that link, is what they are hoping for in the iPhone 5.

Who knows, maybe your iPhone 5 will catch up to my 5 month old phone.

In June, only a year later. :-)

It will pass the competition like it always does. It's not about being the best on a stat sheet, which we all know is the only thing that matters to you, it's about having the best user experience. It's obviously something you will never understand. Kinda like the rest of us when you say your bike has soul!

[SquireSCA]

It will pass the competition like it always does. It's not about being the best on a stat sheet, which we all know is the only thing that matters to you, it's about having the best user experience. It's obviously something you will never understand.

Actually, I understand it far better than you apparently.

It didn't pass the competition the last time around, that was the point. The "wish list" for the upcoming iPhone 5, are features that will help it catch up to last year's Droids, that's the point.

Unlike you, I have owned and played with both platforms, extensively. You just have one phone that you get for free, and everything else is based on what you read at Apple fanboi forums. Having lived with both on a daily basis, I am far more qualified to discuss the "user experience" than you, by far.

It isn't about a spec sheet, so stop trying to tie it to that as a way to try and dismiss it without really addressing the facts. An Aprilia RSV4 Factory has a better spec sheet than a 1963 HD Sportster. Is it safe to say that the Aprilia would be better on the track and a better bike, or should we ignore the obvious and dismiss the "specs"?

I have given you tons of areas where the Android platform and some of its higher-end phones are superior not only in specs, but I gave you real world "user experiences" and examples of where those specs and features comes into play.

Your only response so far has been to stick your fingers in your ear and claim that you don't need that. Maybe *you* don't *need* them, but we both know that if Apple actually had them, you would suddenly sing to a different tune.

Funny how the only options and features that you don't seem to need or care about, are the ones that Apple refuses to offer. LOL


Kinda like the rest of us when you say your bike has soul

I don't say that. Every reviewer, every magazine, every moto-journalist says that, and has been saying it for decades. I was watching Top Gear the other day, and Clarkson used the same word to describe how one Italian car had it, but the German car did not. And the irony is that his(and everyone else's) context of the word "soul", was in reference to the "user experience" which you claim to care about and that I do not "get".

That's the really funny part here. You talk about it, but you clearly don't understand it, and the person you are arguing with, clearly does. :-)

[John]

We need Mongo here. He'll make this thread come alive

[jkhonea]

We need Mongo here. He'll make this thread come alive

He actually said on WERA when his contract comes due, he'll probably be switching to the Verizon iPhone. ;)

[SquireSCA]

He actually said on WERA when his contract comes due, he'll probably be switching to the Verizon iPhone. ;)

True, he is an iPhone owner today, is he not?

[John]

He actually said on WERA when his contract comes due, he'll probably be switching to the Verizon iPhone. ;)

Well there you go. Another good sign for AT&T

[SquireSCA]

Some analysts are predicting that the iPhone 5 in June will not be 4G/LTE, and that Apple may not have a 4G phone until 2012.

[jkhonea]

True, he is an iPhone owner today, is he not?

Yup, and actually very happy with his.

[SquireSCA]

Yup, and actually very happy with his.

I was happy with mine, until I had to make a call. If it had a larger screen to make typing easier, and had reliable service, I would have stayed with it.

But the one day that I had 11 dropped calls, was the last straw. Between my iPhone and Donna's dropping calls, we could not talk for more than 2 or 3 minutes at a time without an interruption. I had 3 of them, and they all had the same issue, as did her's and most of the people I knew that had them. Daniel gets dropped calls on his iPhone 4 regularly, so does Mike.

That's why I left. Not because the phone sucked. It was shitty service, but seeing some of the high end Droids sporting some really cool and useful features, just made the deal even sweeter.

[TroyBoy30]

Some analysts are predicting that the iPhone 5 in June will not be 4G/LTE, and that Apple may not have a 4G phone until 2012.

Pretty sure I already said that. Nice to know you listen.

You also had a 3GS so you know nothing about the 4

[SquireSCA]

Pretty sure I already said that. Nice to know you listen.

You also had a 3GS so you know nothing about the 4

What is to know about it? Same OS. Same crappy service, except that the antennae is defective so you have to "hold it right" or get a cover to make a call.

It has higher rez and a better camera, but the underlying phone is the same. Small, sub-par service, no Flash, etc...

Where it improved, I like, it is certainly more powerful than the 3GS, takes better pictures, has a nicer screen.

But where I had problems with it, didn't improve.

[TroyBoy30]

What is to know about it? Same OS. Same crappy service, except that the antennae is defective so you have to "hold it right" or get a cover to make a call.

It has higher rez and a better camera, but the underlying phone is the same. Small, sub-par service, no Flash, etc...

Where it improved, I like, it is certainly more powerful than the 3GS, takes better pictures, has a nicer screen.

But where I had problems with it, didn't improve.

The underlying phone is not the same. There is not a single part of the iPhone 4 that carried over from the 3GS. you knew that but it doesn't help your misguided argument!

We get it. You had problems with att. Drop it. The 4 is a completely diff phone. There is no antenna issue. Why can't you just state your opinion and move on. Instead you have to constantly bad mouth and make it seem as if others are stupid for not making the same choices you do. We get it! You are the smartest unemployed man in the world. Now move on to a Ducati post or something!

[SquireSCA]

The underlying phone is not the same. There is not a single part of the iPhone 4 that carried over from the 3GS. you knew that but it doesn't help your misguided argument!

We get it. You had problems with att. Drop it. The 4 is a completely diff phone. There is no antenna issue. Why can't you just state your opinion and move on. Instead you have to constantly bad mouth and make it seem as if others are stupid for not making the same choices you do. We get it! You are the smartest unemployed man in the world. Now move on to a Ducati post or something!

No, you are stupid because you have some experience with one phone, because it was free, and you have little experience with anything else.

I don't care what parts it has different. I thought specs didn't matter? That it was about the user experience? LOL

It has a crisper display, a better camera and a few tweaks. it is faster than the 3GS.

But it is still tiny, it is still limited in what you can do with it, it still does not offer a replaceable battery or expandable memory, it still doesn't do speech-to-text without having to get an app that does a piss-poor job of it, etc... And until yesterday, it was still tied to AT&T.

Apple revolutionized the industry. But all they did was hold back features and spoon-feed you incremental enhancements without really revolutionizing anything. The 4G is an example of that.

The real reason Apple decided to sell to Verizon? Because Android is going like gang-busters and is taking over the market and would soon leave Apple in the dust. So they needed to branch out to other vendors to stem the bleeding and try to slow down the inevitable. Yeah, they want to sell more phones and all that, but being tied to AT&T and watching people migrate to Android in droves had them worried.

You are a one-trick pony. You got a free iPhone and are a huge fanboi and for years, Apple can do no wrong. You deny anything they fall short on, you dismiss anything that they cannot do that others can, and you refuse to educate yourself on other products.

Unlike you, I have owned and lived on both sides of the fence. I have seen where each one is better and each one is worse.

You haven't, hence you talk out of your ass most of the time in order to support "your team"...

[John]

http://www.appolicious.com/finance/articles/4741-is-the-verizon-iphone-worth-buying-right-now

[SquireSCA]

http://www.appolicious.com/finance/articles/4741-is-the-verizon-iphone-worth-buying-right-now

Good read. Taken from your article, this point will make or break this whole thing:

"And despite Verizon’s reassurances, we’ve yet to see how its network handles the iPhone, and how the iPhone handles the network. All those dropped calls you hear about on AT&T’s iPhone aren’t necessarily just going to disappear with Verizon: it’s possible it’s not (totally) AT&T’s network’s fault, but actually a fault with the “not great at being a phone” iPhone."

They also mentioned how Apple put a new antennae in this phone, prettu much confirming that the one on AT&T's 4G was flunky.

Maybe it will be fine, and one would think that they did a shitload of testing on this so it shouldn't be an issue... But I am gonna laugh my ass off if they have similar dropped call issues on Verizon. LOL

[John]

Good read. Taken from your article, this point will make or break this whole thing:

"And despite Verizon’s reassurances, we’ve yet to see how its network handles the iPhone, and how the iPhone handles the network. All those dropped calls you hear about on AT&T’s iPhone aren’t necessarily just going to disappear with Verizon: it’s possible it’s not (totally) AT&T’s network’s fault, but actually a fault with the “not great at being a phone” iPhone."

They also mentioned how Apple put a new antennae in this phone, prettu much confirming that the one on AT&T's 4G was flunky.

Maybe it will be fine, and one would think that they did a shitload of testing on this so it shouldn't be an issue... But I am gonna laugh my ass off if they have similar dropped call issues on Verizon. LOL

It was my understanding the new antenna was more for the different type of network than an improvement over the AT&T phone. I also do not seem to be hearing about the dropped call issue recently. Apple may have made an unannounced running change to correct the problem

[John]

As far as testing goes, they can test a million hours in the lab but that does not guarantee real world results. I'm sure the AT&T iphone 4 was tested what they thought was thoroughly but than you put a few million of them in the field and the testing means nothing

[TroyBoy30]

It was my understanding the new antenna was more for the different type of network than an improvement over the AT&T phone. I also do not seem to be hearing about the dropped call issue recently. Apple may have made an unannounced running change to correct the problem

They are saying it was a redesign for CDMA. Some say it was an easy out for a secret antenna redesign and has nothing to do with CDMA. We will never know. Stats still show the 4 was an improvement in rf. A motorola it will never be. I have owned a ton of different phones. Way more motorolas than iPhones. In fact I've only owned 2 iPhones. Motorola was always the best when it came to rf. Glad to see them doing good things. Thought they was done for a while.

No matter what Dave tries to convince you of, I've even owned a droid. It seems as though I'm not capable of making up my own mind as he says he's done. You honestly think I can sit here and debate the pros and cobs of each without having used everything? You much dumber than I gave you credit for! :lol:

As far as testing goes. The whole debacle about the 4 testing was it was all done with a case on the phone to make it look like a 3GS. Not very smart. lol

[SquireSCA]

They are saying it was a redesign for CDMA. Some say it was an easy out for a secret antenna redesign and has nothing to do with CDMA. We will never know. Stats still show the 4 was an improvement in rf. A motorola it will never be. I have owned a ton of different phones. Way more motorolas than iPhones. In fact I've only owned 2 iPhones. Motorola was always the best when it came to rf. Glad to see them doing good things. Thought they was done for a while.

As far as testing goes. The whole debacle about the 4 testing was it was all done with a case on the phone to make it look like a 3GS. Not very smart. lol

I think that this is my first Motorola Phone. Had 3 iPhones, an HTC, many Samsung, Ericson, Kyocera, LG and other brands I am probably forgetting. Of them, the iPhone was good, apart from the dropped calls. But after awhile I wanted to have a phone that was good for watching movies and browsing the web, and the iPhone is simply too small to be considered a serious multimedia device, no matter what resolution it is at. You an make a 2048p LCD TV, but when it is 12" it really doesn't make for a good entertainment center, and that was how I felt about the iPhone. Amazing in some ways, falls short in others.

I read up a lot and gave Motorola a try, and have been very pleased so far. I really have not run into any issues or even annoying quirks. It just does everything...

[SquireSCA]

As far as testing goes, they can test a million hours in the lab but that does not guarantee real world results. I'm sure the AT&T iphone 4 was tested what they thought was thoroughly but than you put a few million of them in the field and the testing means nothing

True. One other point the article made was the voice and data thing. I admit, I miss being on the phone and someone asks me to look something up, and I can't. I have to hang up, get on the net or connect to Gmail and get whatever it is I am looking for, and then call them back. I won't lie, it's a pain in the ass when it happens.

But the reliability and the superior phone made up for it. Just. LOL

I do plan to get a Droid Bionic though. Then I will have everything.

[TroyBoy30]

Dude u had 1 iPhone 3 times! lol

www.engadget.com http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/a-brief-and-anecdotal-history-of-the-verizon-iphone-4-deal/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

[SquireSCA]

Dude u had 1 iPhone 3 times! lol

www.engadget.com http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/a-brief-and-anecdotal-history-of-the-verizon-iphone-4-deal/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

Well, I had a 3G and 2 3Gs' models. But I had network issues with other AT&T phones before that.

[PlayfulGod]

I had a RAZR when I was on at&t n the service suck, billing was up n down n they never could explain it. the I went to sprint n was dropping calls right next to one of their stores/installation shops (where the installed the cops stuff n nextel crap). Was on Verizon for a few months n it was the better of the 3, except they couldnt get the bill right either.

[TroyBoy30]

I had a RAZR when I was on at&t n the service suck, billing was up n down n they never could explain it. the I went to sprint n was dropping calls right next to one of their stores/installation shops (where the installed the cops stuff n nextel crap). Was on Verizon for a few months n it was the better of the 3, except they couldnt get the bill right either.

I loved my razr's

[PlayfulGod]

I loved my razr's

I still own mine lol. I have the original V3 from At&T flashed over to at&t's gophone crap, and its unlocked n hacked to death lol, makes for a goos prepay backup ;). Have a CDMA RAZR from Sprint too, dont member the model tho, has GPS tho, and unlocked.

[jkhonea]

Maybe it will be fine, and one would think that they did a shitload of testing on this so it shouldn't be an issue... But I am gonna laugh my ass off if they have similar dropped call issues on Verizon. LOL

Dave, if there are dropped call issues, it will most likely affect ALL of our phones, not just the iPhone.

[John]

Another interesting read
http://www.investorplace.com/13410/apple-inc-iphone-4-survey-att-verizon/

[TroyBoy30]

I still own mine lol. I have the original V3 from At&T flashed over to at&t's gophone crap, and its unlocked n hacked to death lol, makes for a goos prepay backup ;). Have a CDMA RAZR from Sprint too, dont member the model tho, has GPS tho, and unlocked.

Yea I had the v3, v3i v3x....hacked em to death! Maybe that's why I don't care to do it any more.

Good article John. Pretty much sums if up

[John]

A comparo between iphone 4 and Droid Incredible

http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/iphone/articles/98397.aspx?p=2

[PlayfulGod]

Yea I had the v3, v3i v3x....hacked em to death! Maybe that's why I don't care to do it any more.Only real I've applied to mine is rooting it. With the apps avail, and the features the phone has, not much to have to hack to get lol. Unless ya just like to do it, to do, but no ROMS etc avail for my phone yet lol.

yea my Sprint RAZR is a V3m.

[jkhonea]

A comparo between iphone 4 and Droid Incredible

http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/iphone/articles/98397.aspx?p=2

That's hilarious you found that. Since I have the Incredible since I couldn't get the iPhone, I'll have both in house when they drop. Both are capable but I'm going to look forward to having them both to play with.

[John]

That's hilarious you found that. Since I have the Incredible since I couldn't get the iPhone, I'll have both in house when they drop. Both are capable but I'm going to look forward to having them both to play with.

It's been really slow at work. I'll actually be done with the internet in about 45 minutes

[TroyBoy30]

It's been really slow at work. I'll actually be done with the internet in about 45 minutes

:lol:

[jkhonea]

It's been really slow at work. I'll actually be done with the internet in about 45 minutes

Oh trust me, I know the slow at work feeling. It ain't fun here by any stretch of the imagination.

[SquireSCA]

Dave, if there are dropped call issues, it will most likely affect ALL of our phones, not just the iPhone.

Well, then you can expect me to go on a 3 state killing spree...

[SquireSCA]

Another interesting read
http://www.investorplace.com/13410/apple-inc-iphone-4-survey-att-verizon/

So most people that had one phone, and spent good money on the newer faster phone, were pleased? Say it ain't so! haha

If they could live with the 3GS issues, they could live with the 4G issues. The phone itself is faster and better than the 3Gs, so I would think that anyone who spent the money to upgrade, just by the fact that it was new and different, would give it positive scores.

[TroyBoy30]

So you're saying that just because you upgrade to something new means you're going to be satisfied? Interesting! :lol:

[SquireSCA]

So you're saying that just because you upgrade to something new means you're going to be satisfied? Interesting! :lol:

People tend to defend their purchases, and Apple fans seem to be more zealous than sports fans. I didn't see any Motorola fans camping out for two nights in a row outside the Verizon store, just to get on that Friday rather than walk in on Sunday and get one.

So yeah, someone goes and spends 200 clams on the new phone, and it is faster, it does have a better camera and display, etc... If they could live with the dropped calls before, it won't bother them to still have them. So yeah, I expect that most of them would be positive about it.

[John]

So you're saying that just because you upgrade to something new means you're going to be satisfied? Interesting! :lol:

Just like when Dave upgrades his motorcycles like when he got his dream Ducati special edition. He was perfectly satisfied with it and only had to spend God knows how much money modifying it right up to the point a few months and a few miles later when he traded it. The man knows about being satisfied with a purchase

[SquireSCA]

Just like when Dave upgrades his motorcycles like when he got his dream Ducati special edition. He was perfectly satisfied with it and only had to spend God knows how much money modifying it right up to the point a few months and a few miles later when he traded it. The man knows about being satisfied with a purchase

I was satisfied, but I wanted more power. And I only upgraded the exhaust and CRG levers. Everything else was paid for by State Farm after my accident. I didn't put 3 grand in carbon fiber, Ohlins damper and all that out of my own pocket. LOL

And I am very happy with the Streetfighter. Once I am back on my feet, I will set aside some money and I plan to get a Japanese literbike. I want something that I can put mad miles on, use at the track and beat the piss out of, so when the time comes I will have the Ducati, and I will also hit up Adi to source me a late model used R1 or ZX10R or something...

The other thing, is that I get bored easily. Different bikes feel different, ride different, and are fun to play with.

[TroyBoy30]

In other words.....he's never satisfied! :lol:

[SquireSCA]

In other words.....he's never satisfied! :lol:

Because everything, everything is a compromise. My current bike, has brutal performance, amazing handling and it does it in comfort. But it has no wind protection, so really high speed stuff is not as good as a full fairing bike would be. I could get an 1198, but then it would not be as comfortable.

The iPhone was good, but the small screen crippled it for a multimedia and web device, and the service was shitty. My Droid X is amazing, but I do miss the simultaneous voice and data.

But unlike you, I will pick different brands, different models, and I will point out the good and bad about them. I am not a fanboi that thinks that "my brand" can do no wrong, like some people... ahem...

[Georgiacbr]

People tend to defend their purchases, and Apple fans seem to be more zealous than sports fans. I didn't see any Motorola fans camping out for two nights in a row outside the Verizon store, just to get on that Friday rather than walk in on Sunday and get one.

So yeah, someone goes and spends 200 clams on the new phone, and it is faster, it does have a better camera and display, etc... If they could live with the dropped calls before, it won't bother them to still have them. So yeah, I expect that most of them would be positive about it.

Dave,

The problem with Motorola is they haven't made an eye catching product that would redefine a Product that is eye catching to a customer. Apple has been very successful because Steve job's picks top notch people to make advancements time after time on the products Examples (IPOd). I've watched Apple stock Grow just because Apple knows way in advance what's there doing. I like Motorola as a company too but in my opinion I think they have underestimate there product line late and often behind the time's on a few thing's. When Motorola get's there Game on people might camp out but doubt that might happen currently same with Window's Mobile 7.

[SquireSCA]

I think that is changing. Apple is good at marketing and making products "cool" and "hip", and so people buy them. For many years, they would make claims of having the "fastest PC on earth", even though Windows machines stomped them in almost every meaningful benchmark or real-world application. But you can't tell that to a Mac fan, they just do what Troy does and ignore the facts because it goes contrary to "the dream"...

Motorola has the Droid, which has a strong following. The Droid X and Droid 2/Pro are also very popular. The new dual-core phones are gonna kick ass, and the Xoom tablet looks amazing, easily a rival for the iPad.

But will they ever be as "cool" to own as an iPhone? Probably not. People more concerned with image will get the iPhone, and the more tech-savvy folks that want the better phone will pick something else.

[Georgiacbr]

I think that is changing. Apple is good at marketing and making products "cool" and "hip", and so people buy them. For many years, they would make claims of having the "fastest PC on earth", even though Windows machines stomped them in almost every meaningful benchmark or real-world application. But you can't tell that to a Mac fan, they just do what Troy does and ignore the facts because it goes contrary to "the dream"...

Motorola has the Droid, which has a strong following. The Droid X and Droid 2/Pro are also very popular. The new dual-core phones are gonna kick ass, and the Xoom tablet looks amazing, easily a rival for the iPad.

But will they ever be as "cool" to own as an iPhone? Probably not. People more concerned with image will get the iPhone, and the more tech-savvy folks that want the better phone will pick something else.


Troys opinion when it comes to the iphone4 is somewhat similar to mine a little bit thats why I purchased a Iphone4 tho Att still suck's. I recall Troy saying a wile back "Apple makes things that work" but what exactly does the describe from a customer Prospective? For me as a current Iphone4 user it's the detail's from Apple that sets standards. Everything from the icons to the menu are easy to use. Yes Apple is borrowing a somewhat older Os operating systems yet making refinements every year. That may be not enough for people who want bigger changes like you coming from the older Iphone 3g.

Dave I can see your viewpoints and somewhat relate with them problem is Apple isn't going to break new standards because there used to there proprietary design that has been proven over and over . Apple is very picky yet I will say admire there company vastly better vs say Microsoft (windows7) who's product loyally isn't on the same standards as Iphone user. When it comes to price Apple computers is 2 if not 3 times more but as they say in Life sometimes it's better to spend more in the long run. With Apple it's worth it.

[SquireSCA]

This article was written many years ago by a guy that I knew at one of the computer forums... I think it was the Tom's Hardware Guide, back in 1997 on the Delphi Forums is where I met Ed. Anyway, he wrote this a few years later and I think that a lot of the culture around Apple, still holds true today...

"Every once in a while Apple introduces something, claims that its new product is a million percent faster than anything else, the Macsters have orgasms, and everyone else laughs.

Well, Dell didn’t laugh this time around. They filed a complaint with the department of the Better Business Bureau responsible for misleading advertising (the National Advertising Division),and they ruled against Apple.

Macsters reacted like Macsters always do, like this (see the first letter in the article).

Pathetic, isn’t it?

What’s even more pathetic is that someday (and it might be soon if IBM can get high speed 90nm G5s out faster than AMD can get 90nm Hammers out) the story will become true, and nobody will believe it, a real-life “Boy Who Cried Wolf” story.

What Is It With These People?

A little while back, someone submitted an article to Joe describing the replacement of the guts of a G5 system with an Athlon system.

Joe kind of scratched his head about that being the smartest idea in the world, but he edited and put it up, not thinking it was anything earthshattering.

Well, that article got about seven times more page impressions than the second most popular article we’ve ever written, and most of them came from Macsters. For days, this was effectively a Mac site, most of our viewers used a Mac OS.

The difference between PC users and Macsters was typlified by the reactions I saw in various forums.

The typical PC user reaction was, “That idiot! He gave away the G5 parts rather than sell them on eBay?” To them, it was an act of financial foolishness, a sin of wasting his parents’ money.

One of the two typical Mac user reaction was, “He . . . he . . . defiled our machine!” To them, it was an act of desecration and sacrilege, a sin of blasphemy.

The other was “What do you expect? Pearls before swine.”

Why the difference?

Apple runs a very interesting business. They really don’t sell hardware. Rather, they sell a vision. The vision is that of Apple being an elite computer company building elite computers for elite people. They sell status to Mac users.

When that’s the vision, you can’t let reality get in the way.

So when you or anybody else points out that this is more a Wizard of Oz operation than a elite computing strike force, that Macs are little different than PCs, facts and truths don’t matter. Understand that you aren’t attacking Apple or Macs in the mind of the Macster. You’re attacking the vision, which means that you’re attacking that person’s status, his or her self-esteem. It’s a personal attack, and that’s why they respond the way they do.

That’s why getting Mac users who have bought into the vision to acknowledge reality is about as tough as curing pedophiles.

MacTactics In The PC World

None of this is new to Macdom. What is new in the PC world is that others are trying to sell the same Macvision, accompanied by the same Macprices. The pitch is “We can make you special, important.”

Not going to name names, that’s not important. It’s the approach that matters.

No material good in the world thing makes you elite. No material good in the world makes you important. At most, what are called status symbols are just by-products of being elite or important, and if you can buy it for tens or hundreds or a few thousand dollars, it’s not much of a status symbol. If just about anybody could buy it if they really wanted to, how does that make you special?

You can’t buy greatness. You can only earn it."

[SquireSCA]

Troys opinion when it comes to the iphone4 is somewhat similar to mine a little bit thats why I purchased a Iphone4 tho Att still suck's. I recall Troy saying a wile back "Apple makes things that work" but what exactly does the describe from a customer Prospective? For me as a current Iphone4 user it's the detail's from Apple that sets standards. Everything from the icons to the menu are easy to use. Yes Apple is borrowing a somewhat older Os operating systems yet making refinements every year. That may be not enough for people who want bigger changes like you coming from the older Iphone 3g.

Dave I can see your viewpoints and somewhat relate with them problem is Apple isn't going to break new standards because there used to there proprietary design that has been proven over and over . Apple is very picky yet I will say admire there company vastly better vs say Microsoft (windows7) who's product loyally isn't on the same standards as Iphone user. When it comes to price Apple computers is 2 if not 3 times more but as they say in Life sometimes it's better to spend more in the long run. With Apple it's worth it.

I understand the points you are going for, but ask yourself this... Regardless of whether we are talking about a PC or a phone... What does an Apple product allow you to do that a Windows or Android device not allow you to do?

If one is really honest, the answer is, Nothing. Anything you can do on an Apple device, can be done just as well on another device. And in fact, there are things that the other devices can do, that Apple cannot, or chooses not to. Be it hardware choices, customization, software and game titles, compatibility, etc...

But Apple looks prettier doing it I guess. But that is not worth the price premium to me.

I have always said that it you like something, buy it. What I usually reject is when someone becomes a fanboi and ignores the shortcomings or limitations and gets into that "sports fan" mode and ignores the facts because they don't agree with them.

[MrBlah]

they would make claims of having the "fastest PC on earth", even though Windows machines stomped them in almost every meaningful benchmark or real-world application.

this is because intel has been letting them sell the newest fastest chips/chipsets before any of the other OEM's for a while

this is the geek forum, you should know that

[SquireSCA]

this is because intel has been letting them sell the newest fastest chips/chipsets before any of the other OEM's for a while

this is the geek forum, you should know that

Actually, they were doing this for a decade prior to switching to Intel.

You should know that. :-)

But yes, today they use Intel and are basically no different than a Dell with a fancy case and a 40% price increase.

[MrBlah]

But yes, today they use Intel and are basically no different than a Dell with a fancy case and a 40% price increase.

this is not really true for everything, the macbook air is cheaper than the dell equivalent, and the dell is not as small either

[SquireSCA]

this is not really true for everything, the macbook air is cheaper than the dell equivalent, and the dell is not as small either

I was really more referring to their desktop line, and the comment I made and the article that I posted, was from a few years ago when Apple was still using IBM processors. The point was not really about the particular processor so much as it was about how Apple does business, and how their customers buy into it all.

[MrBlah]

years ago they had the worst OS known to man too, but they got jobs back, and completely fixed that, now they have the best unix desktop there is, 10.5 and newer are unix 03 certified

[SquireSCA]

years ago they had the worst OS known to man too, but they got jobs back, and completely fixed that, now they have the best unix desktop there is, 10.5 and newer are unix 03 certified

Jobs came back in 1997, and he has been there during the time period being discussed.

[MrBlah]

Jobs came back in 1997, and he has been there during the time period being discussed.

that's around the time they purchased NeXT, the first version of osx was 99

[SquireSCA]

that's around the time they purchased NeXT, the first version of osx was 99

Apple purchased NEXT in 1996, and the article I posted was written in 2004.

[MrBlah]

Apple purchased NEXT in 1996, and the article I posted was written in 2004.

you lost me there, what are you talking about now?

do you remember windows ME, how bout vista? anyone can point out bad os's from 10 years ago

[SquireSCA]

you lost me there, what are you talking about now?

The same thing I have been talking about all along. I posted an editorial that explained why the author felt that Apple has the following that it does. That it had very little to do with hardware, and more to do with status, ego, etc...

You then started talking about Intel, Next, Steve Jobs, etc... and I simply put the timeline down, that the article was written after Jobs took over, after OSX was created, etc...

[MrBlah]

still not sure where your going with it, are you saying there's a better unix workstation OS right now? I've ran most flavors of linux, solaris and a few others, none are as polished as osx 10.6 IMO

and check your facts, osx was not on desktops until 2002

[SquireSCA]

still not sure where your going with it, are you saying there's a better unix workstation OS right now? I've ran most flavors of linux, solaris and a few others, none are as polished as osx 10.6 IMO

I am not, nor was I ever talking about a Unix operating system. I was talking about how Apple sells things. They claim that something is better than it is, and they cater to peoples' ego and desire to be cool. All companies do this, but some companies take it to the next level.

I used the Macintosh desktop as an example. For years, Apple would claim that it was the fastest PC on earth, and that Windows users "just didn't get it"... But it was a lie. The Mac was not faster, it did not do more other than cost more, and in come countries they had to pull those ads for false advertising. But Mac fans don't care, because it was never about performance or features. It was about the status of owning a Mac.

Apple has done a fine job of that with the iPhone. It was revolutionary back in the day, but since then they have fallen behind. But they still sell a ton of them, because in many ways, they are still selling status, the dream, whatever you want to call it. People that know nothing about phones, carriers and features, want one because they just think that it is the phone to have, because it's cool, hip, and "everyone has one".

My line of argument was more about how people buy into the hype of something, and the actual performance, or the facts don't seem to matter as much. I bought the Droid X for the features, the benefits and the performance. I didn't get one because I felt that Motorola would make me special, or that people would think it was cool.

I am sure that Troy will come back with some comment about Ducati, as if owning a Ducati(when he owns an Apriilia) is somehow a bad thing. But that too, I bought for a purpose. I wanted a literbike VTwin, with top shelf brakes and suspension, that was very light and incredibly agile. There is no bike like that coming out of Japan. There was an SV1000, that makes 40HP less and weighs 60lbs more.

That left me with Ducati, Aprilia and KTM. I already had a KTM, and while it was cool, it was a full 30hp down on the Duc. There is the Tuono, but the styling doesn't appeal to me and it is down 20hp+ on the Duc. So I went with the Duc. My next bike will likely be a Jap literbike for racking up tons of street miles and track days. Fanbois, as Troy claims that I am, typically do not buy more of the other brand than they do of the brand that they are supposed to be a fanboi of. LOL

ANd I have used OSX. I installed OSX Leopard to my PC and ran it as my OS for more than 2 months. Not in a VM shell, but I formatted the drives with the OSX format, and I installed it natively to this PC. It was nice, seemed cool and polished, but not any more so than Windows 7. And it wouldn't run my games for shit, it limited what hardware I could use, and in the end, it just wasn't as good as Windows 7.

But Windows 7 isn't cool.

[MrBlah]

I have an android, they have a long way to go before it's as nice as the iphone, a long way, interface latency is still a problem in the OS, along with hiding settings and generally harder to use

[SquireSCA]

I have an android, they have a long way to go before it's as nice as the iphone, a long way, interface latency is still a problem in the OS, along with hiding settings and generally harder to use

Depends on what Android you have, and what version of the OS you have. I don't see any more latency on this device than I did on any of my iPhones.

What phone and OS are you running?

[MrBlah]

it's an OS problem I think, because the lastest generations have pretty hefty hardware, but still do it

lots of threads about it on http://androidforums.com/

[SquireSCA]

it's an OS problem I think, because the lastest generations have pretty hefty hardware, but still do it

lots of threads about it on http://androidforums.com/

What phone and which OS are you running?

[MrBlah]

What phone and which OS are you running?

I have a hacked google phone, with cyanogenmod on it, I only kept this one so I could use backcountry navigator, the cell is disabled, it's a PDA/GPS offline only

all new androids still have the interface latency issue, the forum above is a good resource

[SquireSCA]

I have a hacked google phone, with cyanogenmod on it, I only kept this one so I could use backcountry navigator, the cell is disabled, it's a PDA/GPS offline only

all new androids still have the interface latency issue, the forum above is a good resource

Latency when? When launching an app? When moving between screens?

Just pointing to one of the 900 Android forums doesn't give me anything specific as to what you are talking about. Give me examples to I can look them up and see what the deal is.

[MrBlah]

interface lag, not launching apps, but moving stuff around, interacting with menus, dragging things around, flipping between screens, just head to your local verizon store and try any of them, they all have it. The newer ones have better glass screens, but still have that annoying lag

[SquireSCA]

interface lag, not launching apps, but moving stuff around, interacting with menus, dragging things around, flipping between screens, just head to your local verizon store and try any of them, they all have it. The newer ones have better glass screens, but still have that annoying lag

The reason that I ask is because I have a Verizon Droid X, running 1.1Ghz on the newest release of Froyo, and I don't see those things. I am trying to determine what exactly I should be looking for. The phone is fast and snappy and doesn't seem to have any more lag than any other phone I have owned, including my iPhones...

[MrBlah]

I had that problem with a droid X, and the galaxy and the incredible, all have top end hardware, so I do not think it's related at all to the hardware

[SquireSCA]

I had that problem with a droid X, and the galaxy and the incredible, all have top end hardware, so I do not think it's related at all to the hardware

Which OS? I am on 2.340 or something like that, the one that just came out a couple weeks ago.

Maybe mine runs as well as it does because I disabled the majority of the Verizon bloatware. All the ghey apps that you don't want or need but still run as a service in the background, I renamed the extention on the .apk files to .old to disable them. I would prefer a straight Google OS in this, because Verizon, like many carriers, does load a ton of shit on here that you don't need. If I could get a straight Gingerbread ROM I would install that.

[MrBlah]

whatever is current, these were non hacked vanilla phones, so they had the verizon shit on them too

best thing google could do is lock these oem's out like apple did, so they cant add bloatware

[John]

Maybe I'm missing something but it sure does seem like you guys are overcomplicating a freakin' phone

[MrBlah]

your in the gsb geeks and gadgets forum

[MrBlah]

anyone know if it's possible to have android's email imap client actually delete the mail on the imap server?

Cant get it to work, using company imap, seems to work using gmail though

[SquireSCA]

anyone know if it's possible to have android's email imap client actually delete the mail on the imap server?

Cant get it to work, using company imap, seems to work using gmail though

Not sure. Mine works with Gmail and it worked when I was also using the Exchange server at my last job. Maybe it is a setting on their end?

[MrBlah]

no setting in imap that I'm aware of, it works on my iphone, I found this though just now

high priority reported in 2008 and not fixed yet?!?

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1029

[SquireSCA]

no setting in imap that I'm aware of, it works on my iphone, I found this though just now

high priority reported in 2008 and not fixed yet?!?

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1029

Like I said, it worked with my work email account. If I deleted an email on my Droid X, a few second later it would disappear from Outlook on my laptop...

[MrBlah]

wonder why it works for you and not for other people

[SquireSCA]

wonder why it works for you and not for other people

Not sure. I didn't know that the problem even existed, because it worked fine on my phone. If it had stopped deleting emails when I moved from the iPhone, I would have noticed.

[SquireSCA]

Unless my Exchange server was using POP instead of IMAP?

[MrBlah]

pop is not bidirectional like imap is, pop leaves it all unread or leaves it all read, imap if you read an email, your pc sees that it was already read, all mail is left on the server, some clients have an offline mode that downloads everything

[PlayfulGod]

mine works fine with gmail, charter, and my mail server.

[MrBlah]

why does google have that open bug listed still? We have that exact bug with imap delete sync

[SquireSCA]

I don't know. All I can tell you is that if I deleted an email on the Droid, I could look over at the laptop and see it disappear from Outlook, and vice-versa.

[MrBlah]

works for me on mine too, but I use gmail

[PlayfulGod]

I don't know. All I can tell you is that if I deleted an email on the Droid, I could look over at the laptop and see it disappear from Outlook, and vice-versa.+1 lol

What are the dates in the post you are reading?

[SquireSCA]

+1 lol

What are the dates in the post you are reading?

The dates started in 2008 and some were recent.

[jkhonea]

Looks like word is trickling down today that it will be $30 unlimited data with tethering for the iPhone. I'm pretty damn well content with that. Between the rooted Incredible and the iPhone, this should work perfect. Still checking for final verification, but this was from the WSJ and seemed like official word.

[MrBlah]

+1 lol

What are the dates in the post you are reading?

it's listed as a current bug with non gmail servers, not sure what all the conditions have to be for it to fail

google software is getting more buggy the more things they try to do and the more versions the phone companies leave on phones

there's like 10 more of the same bug listed as open still, not sure why that one shows closed, people keep reporting it

[SquireSCA]

Looks like word is trickling down today that it will be $30 unlimited data with tethering for the iPhone. I'm pretty damn well content with that. Between the rooted Incredible and the iPhone, this should work perfect. Still checking for final verification, but this was from the WSJ and seemed like official word.

Why would they do that? Historically, the iPhone data plan has not been the cheapest plan.

Why would Verizon charge less for the iPhone data plan than they charge for all their other smartphone plans, and throw in the $20 tethering plan, for free?

It doesn't make sense, unless they feel they need to do that in order to sell enough iPhones.

If they do that, they will piss off a million Droid and BB users who are paying more for data and don't get tethering. The iPhone doesn't use more or less data, so if they are doing this, then I think it is because they don't believe that the iPhone will sell as well as they originally hoped, and so they are giving this price break to entice people to that phone. Or, maybe Apple feels that going to Verizon will not be enough to stop Android from taking over the market, so they are helping subsidize the data plan in some way, to get more people to flock to the Verizon iPhone?

Something is off here, if they undercut all their other data plans for this one phone. No carrier is in the business to give out free stuff. If they are, they are doing it because they feel that they have to or need to in order to move more product...

[TroyBoy30]

Says nothing about tethering and all the data plans just changed. They are merely extending the unlimited plan for a while for iPhone users. Take off your tinfoil hat

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/25/verizon-confirms-iphone-will-get-30-unlimited-data-plan-we-try/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

[SquireSCA]

Says nothing about tethering and all the data plans just changed. They are merely extending the unlimited plan for a while for iPhone users. Take off your tinfoil hat

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/25/verizon-confirms-iphone-will-get-30-unlimited-data-plan-we-try/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

Tinfoil hat? Nonsense.

I was remarking that if the rumor of free tethering were true, then they would be doing it for a reason. There is no reason to give a $20 a month feature away for free, unless you either have to, or feel that you need to in order to sell it.

Or is Verizon some humanitarian effort, that just wants to give free stuff away and ignore profit?

It is common sense.

[TroyBoy30]

No one does free tethering unless you do it yourself. They don't need any incentive to sell more iPhones. It will sell plenty. The only reason they are extending the unlimited data plan is because att did away with there's. Verizon has as well. They are simply extending it to iPhone buyers for a short time. They won't lure many away from att that have unlimited data without it

[jkhonea]

No one does free tethering unless you do it yourself. They don't need any incentive to sell more iPhones. It will sell plenty. The only reason they are extending the unlimited data plan is because att did away with there's. Verizon has as well. They are simply extending it to iPhone buyers for a short time. They won't lure many away from att that have unlimited data without it

Not exactly true. The Palm's on Verizon have free tethering. Or at least they had. There was a stink about them being free while everyone else paid. As far as the tethering of the iPhone, Verizon has said from the beginning it was going to be a part of the data plan from the onset, not an additional, so unless they are playing with the wording, it is included. I'm trying to find out more info about it now, but as all of the information has transpired up until this point, it looks to be $30 per month unlimited with tethering.

Here's one of the original articles about free Palm tethering from Verizon.

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/verizon-wireless-offers-free-tethering-for-palm-pre-plus-pixi-plus

[jkhonea]

Man, Verizon is keeping people busy. They just updated that the unlimited would be a limited time offer. So basically, best get it with the phone straight off. With this being limited time, I would bet the tethering will be included like they had indicated initially.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/25/technology/verizon_iphone_plan/

[SquireSCA]

Not exactly true. The Palm's on Verizon have free tethering. Or at least they had. There was a stink about them being free while everyone else paid. As far as the tethering of the iPhone, Verizon has said from the beginning it was going to be a part of the data plan from the onset, not an additional, so unless they are playing with the wording, it is included. I'm trying to find out more info about it now, but as all of the information has transpired up until this point, it looks to be $30 per month unlimited with tethering.

Here's one of the original articles about free Palm tethering from Verizon.

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/verizon-wireless-offers-free-tethering-for-palm-pre-plus-pixi-plus

And that is my point. If the iPhone is going to sell like hotcakes, why give away free tethering? Why give away all that revenue if you don't need to? Why slash the price on one phone, and screw all your current customers in the process who are having to pay more for tethering? Out of the kindness of their hearts?

I can understand extending unlimited plans for the iPhone, but there is no reason to throw in free tethering unless you are trying to get people to buy the phone. So either they are not seeing as much demand as they had hoped for, or, Apple wants to help subsidize it and try to get people to buy their phone over an Android phone.

Tin foil hat or not, if they end up giving away free tethering, it is a reason, and it is not just to be nice.

[jkhonea]

And that is my point. If the iPhone is going to sell like hotcakes, why give away free tethering? Why give away all that revenue if you don't need to? Why slash the price on one phone, and screw all your current customers in the process who are having to pay more for tethering? Out of the kindness of their hearts?

I can understand extending unlimited plans for the iPhone, but there is no reason to throw in free tethering unless you are trying to get people to buy the phone. So either they are not seeing as much demand as they had hoped for, or, Apple wants to help subsidize it and try to get people to buy their phone over an Android phone.

Tin foil hat or not, if they end up giving away free tethering, it is a reason, and it is not just to be nice.

Has nothing to do with being inferior or otherwise. It is a carrot to try to attract more AT&T users. A trade-off of giving them the mobile hotspot since they won't have data and phone at the same time. At least that is my speculation. Take that for what you may.

And sorry, I just read my post again. I didn't think you were implying it was an inferior phone. I added that part on my own. Didn't mean to look like you were saying something you weren't. And it may be an attempt to pull over other Android users as well, I didn't consider that.

[SquireSCA]

Has nothing to do with being inferior or otherwise. It is a carrot to try to attract more AT&T users. A trade-off of giving them the mobile hotspot since they won't have data and phone at the same time. At least that is my speculation. Take that for what you may.

It being inferior is another topic. :-)

I just can't see why they want to screw the existing clients, of which there are millions, who have to pay $20 a month for tethering.

Why do they feel the need to lure away AT&T clients? I thought the whole point is that untold millions have been clamoring for years to get an iPhone on Verizon, and basically just waiting for the chance? Now that it is here, why would they need to be lured with a free tethering plan?

[jkhonea]

Many of those untold millions are Verizon customers or those that don't want to deal with AT&T. Current AT&T users need more incentive.

Now c'mon Dave, you're smarter than that. Stop being argumentative for the sake of it. You know that is very well probably the base behind the choice.

[TroyBoy30]

Too bad verizon has the 5 m cap on unlimited though

Yet another carrot

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/25/verizon-ramps-up-trade-in-upgrade-programs-in-advance-of-iphone/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

[jkhonea]

See, I keep hearing differing information on the 5GB cap. I hear that is on tethering itself, that the phone itself is truly unlimited. That's what I've gotten from several Verizon reps on the Droid Forums. Unless you're talking about the 5GB cap being for tethered specifically. In which case, I'll be quiet. :D

[jkhonea]

Oh, and thanks for the link, Troy. My old Imagio actually appraised at $44. Hell, that's better than sitting here doing nothing. God knows, no one wants to buy a damned old Windows 6.5 phone. I may have to do that.

[SquireSCA]

Many of those untold millions are Verizon customers or those that don't want to deal with AT&T. Current AT&T users need more incentive.

Now c'mon Dave, you're smarter than that. Stop being argumentative for the sake of it. You know that is very well probably the base behind the choice.

That's fine, but why screw their existing customers that have to pay extra?

See, when Comcast changed their plans and started giving 22mBit service for what us 11mBit users were paying, they called everyone and upgraded them for free, because it was not fair to give new clients better deals than what they were giving their existing customers.

So it seems cheezy that they would do that here, that's all.

[jkhonea]

That's fine, but why screw their existing customers that have to pay extra?

See, when Comcast changed their plans and started giving 22mBit service for what us 11mBit users were paying, they called everyone and upgraded them for free, because it was not fair to give new clients better deals than what they were giving their existing customers.

So it seems cheezy that they would do that here, that's all.

They've been screwing with us since they started the free Mobile Hotspot with the Palm handsets. The iPhone isn't the one that started this. Just the one getting the attention.

[SquireSCA]

They've been screwing with us since they started the free Mobile Hotspot with the Palm handsets. The iPhone isn't the one that started this. Just the one getting the attention.

Well, I don't care for it. I just think that if everyone has been holding their breath for years, waiting for Verizon to get the iPhone, that they would have more customers than they could sell to. So if they have to offer free tethering to lure people over, then the demand was not as much as they had hoped for. There is no free lunch. if they end up giving it away, that says something...

[TroyBoy30]

it's pretty simple. iphone owners get treated better. they always have. att allows us to upgrade every year instead of finishing out our 2 year contract. when you have a group of millions that own the same phone, you get perks!

[SquireSCA]

it's pretty simple. iphone owners get treated better. they always have. att allows us to upgrade every year instead of finishing out our 2 year contract. when you have a group of millions that own the same phone, you get perks!

No, apple wanted to sell people incremental upgrades, so they subsidized the upgrades so that att would not have to.

[John]

I am excited to be getting an AT&T iphone soon

[TroyBoy30]

No, apple wanted to sell people incremental upgrades, so they subsidized the upgrades so that att would not have to.

Wrong again. It has to do with iPhone owners having the largest monthly bill on average. Anyone on att who has over $100 a month bill can upgrade at full sub price every year so it's not just iPhones. The iphone simply started it My fan account allows me to upgrade every 6 months

[TroyBoy30]

Macworld received official word from Verizon about the pricing of the new wireless hotspot feature announced earlier this month.
Quote:
Raney said that Verizon iPhone owners will be able to take advantage of the 3G wireless hotspot feature for an extra $20 per month on top of the iPhone&rsquo;s required voice and data plans--that&rsquo;s the same price that applies to current Verizon smartphone owners.
The wireless hotspot feature allows Verizon iPhone users to share their 3G internet connection over Wi-fi to up to 5 other devices, such as your laptop or iPad. This $20/month fee would be on top of the existing voice and data plans and is said to include 2GB of additional data.

AT&T presently offers single device tethering for the same cost ($20/mo extra) and is said to be exploring offering the same wireless hotspot tethering. This feature will be included in iOS 4.3, but will be dependent on carriers to provide support for it.



The fact that the article also says that the $20 Hot Spot option "also adds an additional 2Gb of data" tells me that Verizon's iPhone data plan isn't going to be unlimited. If it was unlimited, why would you need "additional data" allowances?

[jkhonea]

Damn Troy, you beat me. I was just coming back to post this.

Dave, be happy, no preferential treatment to iPhone buyers.

And Troy, don't know about the wording on that. I'll check some more, but like I said, even the Verizon reps had said it was truly unlimited. I don't get close to it, so I don't know.

[SquireSCA]

Wrong again. It has to do with iPhone owners having the largest monthly bill on average. Anyone on att who has over $100 a month bill can upgrade at full sub price every year so it's not just iPhones. The iphone simply started it My fanboi account allows me to upgrade every 6 months

Fixed it.

[SquireSCA]

Damn Troy, you beat me. I was just coming back to post this.

Dave, be happy, no preferential treatment to iPhone buyers.

And Troy, don't know about the wording on that. I'll check some more, but like I said, even the Verizon reps had said it was truly unlimited. I don't get close to it, so I don't know.

Good. There should not be any preferential treatment for buying last year's phone

[Georgiacbr]

Good. There should not be any preferential treatment for buying last year's phone


but iphone5 and iphone6 changes all the rules again (LOL) let's see what new features the next model bring's..

[SquireSCA]

but iphone5 and iphone6 changes all the rules again (LOL) let's see what new features the next model bring's..

If it brings a larger screen, dual-core, a memory expansion port and an HDMI port, then I would consider one. If not, it is still just playing catch-up to everyone else. And the battery thing bugs me. I hate that with the iPods that I have had as well. When a battery goes bad or there is an issue, I don't want to have to drive to the mall and stand in line to get it changed. I want to be able to just drop a new one in and be on my way.

If they incorporate some of the features that are now standard in the industry, great. If they continue to hold those things back and instead keep focusing on making the device "prettier" so that girls and metro-sexual men will have to buy it to have the latest fashion statement, then no, I will stick with the platform that is actually pushing the envelope...

[Georgiacbr]

If it brings a larger screen, dual-core, a memory expansion port and an HDMI port, then I would consider one. If not, it is still just playing catch-up to everyone else. And the battery thing bugs me. I hate that with the iPods that I have had as well. When a battery goes bad or there is an issue, I don't want to have to drive to the mall and stand in line to get it changed. I want to be able to just drop a new one in and be on my way.

If they incorporate some of the features that are now standard in the industry, great. If they continue to hold those things back and instead keep focusing on making the device "prettier" so that girls and metro-sexual men will have to buy it to have the latest fashion statement, then no, I will stick with the platform that is actually pushing the envelope...


Dave,

your a trip dude Love your logic here but I agree with most of it.

[MrBlah]

so the verizon hotspot is not the actual hotspot hardware, it's an iphone app that turns the iphone into a hotspot?

I thought verizon drops the data network when you get a call?

[jkhonea]

so the verizon hotspot is not the actual hotspot hardware, it's an iphone app that turns the iphone into a hotspot?

I thought verizon drops the data network when you get a call?

It does. It actually freezes the internet where it is at and picks up again when you get off the call. I've got the same thing with tethering my Droid and it really isn't as bad as those make it out to be. I don't live on my phone by a long shot, so it rarely disturbs me. Of course, I don't tether all the time either. Mainly just on occasion when out of town to pull down files.

Oh, and yes, it is an iPhone app. Part of the operating system, actually.

[SquireSCA]

But with LTE, you will have simultaneous voice and data at high speeds.

Still not sure why Verizon launched the iPhone on the 3G network when the LTE phones are supposed to hit the shelves a month or two later.

My girlfriend is fed up with AT&T and the iPhone 3Gs so she is waiting for the Droid Bionic to hit and then making the move.

[jkhonea]

But with LTE, you will have simultaneous voice and data at high speeds.

Still not sure why Verizon launched the iPhone on the 3G network when the LTE phones are supposed to hit the shelves a month or two later.

My girlfriend is fed up with AT&T and the iPhone 3Gs so she is waiting for the Droid Bionic to hit and then making the move.

Again, because Apple isn't usually an early adopter and there is a better than even chance they would have lost sales to the areas of the country not on LTE yet. There is still some concern that if you have an LTE phone, even in an area that is only 3G capable, that Verizon may put you on the 4G data plan. That's not confirmed yet but still floating around. I sure as hell wouldn't want an LTE phone capable only of 3G and still paying LTE rates.

[MrBlah]

I barely have verizon coverage let alone lte, my verizon phone has 1 bar at the house, if I'm on an important call I stand on my front porch

[SquireSCA]

Again, because Apple isn't usually an early adopter and there is a better than even chance they would have lost sales to the areas of the country not on LTE yet. There is still some concern that if you have an LTE phone, even in an area that is only 3G capable, that Verizon may put you on the 4G data plan. That's not confirmed yet but still floating around. I sure as hell wouldn't want an LTE phone capable only of 3G and still paying LTE rates.

What is an LTE rate? Sprint charges $10. That isn't going to make or break anyone. Even if I do not have LTE at my house, there will be LTE in a lot of places that I go during the day, and that LTE coverage is only going to continue to grow. I don't see any point in getting a 3G phone today and then being locked into it for a minimum of a year, especially not now that Verizon changed their upgrade plan to 20 months.

I see no point in getting an iPhone today, when it is already behind the Droids, and then having to wait until 2012 some time to get an LTE version.

Donna wants a phone now, but she is waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt or the Droid Bionic before making the move, for those very reasons.

[SquireSCA]

I barely have verizon coverage let alone lte, my verizon phone has 1 bar at the house, if I'm on an important call I stand on my front porch

Well, then Verizon may not be the best choice for you. I have yet to find a place where I don't get a decent signal. But I have been in areas that always dropped calls with AT&T, and in a few areas where AT&T had ZERO signal, and I had 3 or 4 bars.

[jkhonea]

What is an LTE rate? Sprint charges $10. That isn't going to make or break anyone. Even if I do not have LTE at my house, there will be LTE in a lot of places that I go during the day, and that LTE coverage is only going to continue to grow. I don't see any point in getting a 3G phone today and then being locked into it for a minimum of a year, especially not now that Verizon changed their upgrade plan to 20 months.

I see no point in getting an iPhone today, when it is already behind the Droids, and then having to wait until 2012 some time to get an LTE version.

Donna wants a phone now, but she is waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt or the Droid Bionic before making the move, for those very reasons.

Dave, there are more areas to Verizon then where you go. Many places in the country don't have it. Which is what I said. It's not slated fro full implementation until minimum 2013 to 2014. Would you please realize I am talking about the overall scope of why they are probably doing what they are doing and not how it directly relates to you? Damn, there are other people in the world.

And Dave, I have a Droid also. They are NOT the be all end all and are not that far ahead of the iPhone. If you would be objective, you would admit that. But I'm done arguing with you about it. Go ahead with your ten page diatribe about how wrong I am, how the Droid is so much better than the iPhone, how bad of a handset the iPhone 4 is and how behind the times it is. Whatever. I've at least got a little work to do to pay some bills.

Have fun in your sandbox.

[SquireSCA]

it isn't all about me, regardless of how you or others might try to make it out to be. if you make it about me, it is easier to dismiss the argument than it is to address facts oftentimes. ;-)

Anyway, I clearly said that if he does not have coverage with Verizon, then perhaps it is not the best choice for him, or did you miss that? I then simply pointed out that I get Verizon in several places that AT&T either drops calls or gets no signal at all. Thus reinforcing the prior point of going with the carrier that gives you the best coverage. Sorry for being too subtle in my point. :-)

As you pointed out several times, Apple is not an early adopter, hence it is behind other phones by your definiton, which I have also augmented by giving specific deficits in features or functionality. So my argument simply gives specifics to the claim that you made, so whether you want to admit it or not, we are in agreement on that point.

As for LTE coverage not being widespread till 2013, I understand that. I also understand that we live in a city that does have it, so often, we would get to use it, that's all. I realize that if I traveled to Arkansas, that I would be SOL. But I would have it through much of the metro area, and that would continue to expand, that's all.

[John]

it isn't all about me, regardless of how you or others might try to make it out to be. if you make it about me, it is easier to dismiss the argument than it is to address facts oftentimes. ;-)

Anyway, I clearly said that if he does not have coverage with Verizon, then perhaps it is not the best choice for him, or did you miss that? I then simply pointed out that I get Verizon in several places that AT&T either drops calls or gets no signal at all. Thus reinforcing the prior point of going with the carrier that gives you the best coverage. Sorry for being too subtle in my point. :-)

As you pointed out several times, Apple is not an early adopter, hence it is behind other phones by your definiton, which I have also augmented by giving specific deficits in features or functionality. So my argument simply gives specifics to the claim that you made, so whether you want to admit it or not, we are in agreement on that point.

As for LTE coverage not being widespread till 2013, I understand that. I also understand that we live in a city that does have it, so often, we would get to use it, that's all. I realize that if I traveled to Arkansas, that I would be SOL. But I would have it through much of the metro area, and that would continue to expand, that's all.

You ever think that maybe your calls aren't dropped? Maybe people are just hanging up on you

[TroyBoy30]

You ever think that maybe your calls aren't dropped? Maybe people are just hanging up on you

Winner! It's funny cause I've been in locations where here has claimed to have no service and I had full bars

With the Apple online store's downtime last night, the company appears to have rolled out full details of the options available for Verizon iPhone customers. With both 16 GB ($199) and 32 GB ($299) models available, customers will be required to accept a two-year contract while selecting from various options for voice, data, and messaging plans.




Individual voice plans begin at $39.99 per month for 450 minutes, with 900 minutes available for $59.99 and Nationwide Unlimited checking in at $69.99. Family SharePlans begin at $69.99 for 700 minutes, with 1400 minutes ($89.99), 2000 minutes ($99.99) and unlimited ($119.99) also available.




As had been previously revealed, the only data plan currently available for the Verizon iPhone is a $29.99 unlimited plan with an add-on option offering 2 GB of mobile hotspot and tethering data per month for an additional $20.




Messaging options check in at $5 (250 messages), $10 (500 messages), and $20 (unlimited messages). Customers can also decline to add a messaging and plan and simply be billed at a per-message rate of 20 cents text and 25 cents per picture/video message. Family SharePlan messaging options include the same pay per use, $5, and $10 plans as on the individual track, but the $20 messaging plan includes 5000 messages for family talk customers with an additional $30 plan offering unlimited shared messages across devices on the plan.

[SquireSCA]

Not when it is geographically consistent.

Or, it could have been their shitty iphone dropping the call... ;-)

[SquireSCA]

Winner! It's funny cause I've been in locations where here has claimed to have no service and I had full bars

No you haven't.

[John]

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/a-loophole-means-unlimited-816397.html

[MrBlah]

unlimited on ours, I love competition, it will only make these plan rates better

I pay 180 $ a month for our 4 phones, 2 iphones with unlimited, on grandfathered plans

similar package from verizon is 205 $ but no rollover, I do use rollover on busy months, so the real bill would end up higher on those months, sometimes MUCH higher

[TroyBoy30]

No you haven't.

Yes I have

Verizon has begun sending out information to corporate customers with more details about their iPhone launch. Verizon is offering existing customers a chance to buy the Verizon iPhone on February 3rd, a week before the general public.

According to the email we've received, Verizon will begin pre-order sales at 3am Eastern on February 3rd.
Quote:
- Make sure you have your My Verizon self-serve account set-up online. Orders can only be placed through your my Verizon account. You can register/setup your account at&hellip; https://myaccount.verizonwireless.com/accessmanager/public/controller?action=displayRegistration

- On February 3rd at 3am EST, Verizon Wireless will allow our current customers to order upgrades or new lines to their accounts through your My Verizon online account (make sure you have registered before the 3rd).
The email also indicates that the pre-sale inventory is limited, so when that inventory is depleted, customers will have to wait until the February 10th public launch date.

Verizon is also allowing some existing AT&T iPhone customers to trade-in their iPhone for credit. We aren't sure if this will be offered to non-corporate accounts, but the price list is as follows:
Quote:
iPhone 2G - 16GB: $60
iPhone 3G - 16GB: $105
iPhone 3Gs 32GB: $160
iPhone 4- 16GB: $280
iPhone 4 - 32GB: $360
Customers, of course, could do better selling their iPhones themselves, though this could provide a relatively low-hassle way to switch carriers. The prices listed here are higher than Verizon's normal tradein program. New Verizon iPhones will be shipped 2 day FedEx by default or optionally next day air.


And fir those staying with att who want unlimited data again






Associated Press reports that AT&T is quietly offering some of its iPhone customers the ability to switch to unlimited data plans as a means to keep them from defecting to Verizon, which is rolling out an unlimited data plan of its own for a limited time as the carrier launches the iPhone next month.

According to the report, AT&T's offer is being made to customers who had previously been on an unlimited data plan for the iPhone on AT&T but had switched to one of the company's lower-cost capped plans when it restructured its data plans as the iPhone 4 was announced last June. As part of that restructuring, customers with unlimited data have been permitted to retain their plans, but those who opted to switch to capped plans were told that once that change had been made they would be unable to switch back to unlimited data at any time in the future.

Based on this new report, AT&T appears to quietly be making exceptions to that policy, allowing users to move back to unlimited data rather than seeing them defect to Verizon.
Quote:
Verizon Wireless will start offering the iPhone on Feb. 10 with a draw that AT&T no longer offers to new subscribers: a plan with unlimited data usage. But The Associated Press has learned that some AT&T iPhone users on limited plans won't need to move to Verizon for unlimited data.

In an unadvertised loophole, AT&T Inc. has allowed subscribers who have had an unlimited data plan in the past to switch back. That includes anyone who had an iPhone before June, when the limited plans took effect.
AT&T has declined to comment on the change in policy.

[SquireSCA]

What places have I said that I lost signal all the time, or could not even get a signal and you were able to?

You are full of shit.

[TroyBoy30]

Go back and review your post. You've post very specific locations over and over and over and over in typical Dave fashion

[SquireSCA]

So then you should have no problems listing them, right?

[TroyBoy30]

They are already listed. Do your own research

[SquireSCA]

You made the claim, not me. So the burden of proof is on you. You said that I was in areas and claimed to have no signal or dropped calls and you didn't. So which of the locations that you claim that I listed, were you at?

What's the matter? MacRumors doesn't have an a post for you to copy and paste from on this matter? LOL

[TroyBoy30]

Hold your breath, I'll get right on it!


Apple releases iTunes 10.1.2 with support for 'CDMA iPhone 4'
January 27, 2011 05:14 by Donald Melanson

The description in Software Update may only say that it brings a "number of important stability and performance improvements," but the just-released iTunes 10.1.2 update also adds another fairly important feature: support for the Verizon iPhone 4.

[TroyBoy30]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/29/verizon-turns-on-iphone-4-pre-order-countdown-existing-customer/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

The grapevine did already hint at the timing of the Verizon iPhone 4 pre-orders, but now, to be absolutely sure nobody misses them, we have a countdown! Eager iPhone bandwagon jumpers will have to stay up till 3AM EST on February 3rd to get their orders in from a "reserved quantity" of handsets, which will be assigned on a first-come, first-served basis -- presumably to be delivered on that February 10th launch date everyone's been anticipating for so long. Sadly for Verizon newcomers, a contract with the network will be a prerequisite for signing up when the countdown expires.

[TroyBoy30]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/verizon-iphone-will-go-on-general-sale-at-7am-on-february-10th/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

[SquireSCA]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/verizon-iphone-will-go-on-general-sale-at-7am-on-february-10th/?icid=engadget-iphone-url

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207538/Lawsuit_claims_AT_T_cheats_iPhone_iPad_owners_on_d ata?taxonomyId=18

[jkhonea]

Ordering mine in the morning. I hate crowds and would rather have it delivered. Much easier. :D

[SpeedGeek]

I guess hell has finally frozen over! LOL...

Still, kinda dumb to buy one now given that there will be iPhone 5 out in a few months. I wonder if they have it where AT&T will always get the new model several months before Verizon or what?

[SquireSCA]

I guess hell has finally frozen over! LOL...

Still, kinda dumb to buy one now given that there will be iPhone 5 out in a few months. I wonder if they have it where AT&T will always get the new model several months before Verizon or what?

Exactly. Getting last year's iPhone today, and locking yourself out of an upgrade until 2012 is just plain silly IMHO. And that is if we ignore the fact that there are already better phones available than the iPhone today.

Some people just gotta have it though....

[jkhonea]

I have a feeling the Verizon 5 will come later. Plus, I don't want to gamble with the new being LTE until I know I want it. I have another upgrade coming in August so if I'm feeling it come that trade in, I can get that then. This is Mary's first smartphone, so no huge reason to wait for the 5 for her. The EnV Touch she has is dying quickly and I completely hate it.

[jkhonea]

Is it possible for others to realize some of us do things while still thinking about all of the options? I am quite aware of the other ****ing phones out there. I moderate on several of the damn forums. Give it a ****ing rest already.

[SquireSCA]

Is it possible for others to realize some of us do things while still thinking about all of the options? I am quite aware of the other ****ing phones out there. I moderate on several of the damn forums. Give it a ****ing rest already.

Moderating in no way makes you an expert on anything. it pretty much qualifies you to tell everyone to use the search function before asking any questions. ;-)

And I take it that your comment was aimed at Mike as well, as he said that your decision to get the phone was "dumb"?

[jkhonea]

Actually Dave, my post was mostly pointed at you since you have to put your nose in every damned thread about the iPhone and run it down, even when, and especially when, it doesn't pertain to you.

As far as not knowing anything about the hardware, go right on thinking that.

[SquireSCA]

Actually Dave, my post was mostly pointed at you since you have to put your nose in every damned thread about the iPhone and run it down, even when, and especially when, it doesn't pertain to you.

As far as not knowing anything about the hardware, go right on thinking that.

Ok, so the person above that said that your decision to get one was dumb, doesn't bother you, but my agreeing with him does?

Check. Just making sure that I understood your rather selective outrage.... At least I know that it has little to do with what I say, and more to do with it simply being ME saying it, that bothers you...

Edit: I did not say that you didn't know about hardware. I said that being a mod in no way provides that or proves that. Anyone can be a mod about anything.

PS- see if the App Store has a hooked on phonics type of app that can help you with reading comprehension.

[jkhonea]

No Dave, it is your constant crusade to run down anything you don't like or own. You do it on phones, electronics, bikes. You work your way across the spectrum. But please, act oblivious like no one else has called you on it, too.

[SquireSCA]

No Dave, it is your constant crusade to run down anything you don't like or own. You do it on phones, electronics, bikes. You work your way across the spectrum. But please, act oblivious like no one else has called you on it, too.

The people that call me on it are the ones that disagree. And more often than not, more people agree than disagree.

Troy does it daily, but because he is pro iPhone you do not mind it. It is only when someone posts something that you don't agree with that you "take offense"...

I point out pros and cons of nearly any topic at hand. You cherry-pick the things that you don't like or disagree with and take issue with them and ignore the rest.

if I came into every phone thread the way Troy does and evangelize the iPhone, we would not be having this discussion. if I had "corrected" Mike when he said your decision was dumb, you would not have minded my "putting my nose in"...

Understand? Unlike you and a lot of members, I am very consistent in my beliefs and approach to things...

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

Compared to an envTouch, even an iClone is an upgrade. :D

Seriously, my last phone was an envTouch, and when I got my Droid, I was like "Oh... this is what a smartphone feels like".

John, do you have one of the buggy ones that reboots, drops calls, etc? I got lucky, mine worked perfectly... for an envTouch haha.

[TroyBoy30]

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207538/Lawsuit_claims_AT_T_cheats_iPhone_iPad_owners_on_d ata?taxonomyId=18

Not sure what that has to do with the iPhone for verizon but my $2 is in the mail. Now back on topic

[TroyBoy30]

I guess hell has finally frozen over! LOL...

Still, kinda dumb to buy one now given that there will be iPhone 5 out in a few months. I wonder if they have it where AT&T will always get the new model several months before Verizon or what?

iPhone 5 for att in June. iPhone 5 for verizon in feb 2012. Highly unlikely they wi do a combined release. They simply cant update verizon in 5 months or meet that type of demand

[TroyBoy30]

The people that call me on it are the ones that disagree. And more often than not, more people agree than disagree.

Troy does it daily, but because he is pro iPhone you do not mind it. It is only when someone posts something that you don't agree with that you "take offense"...

I point out pros and cons of nearly any topic at hand. You cherry-pick the things that you don't like or disagree with and take issue with them and ignore the rest.

if I came into every phone thread the way Troy does and evangelize the iPhone, we would not be having this discussion. if I had "corrected" Mike when he said your decision was dumb, you would not have minded my "putting my nose in"...

Understand? Unlike you and a lot of members, I am very consistent in my beliefs and approach to things...

Sounds like Dave and Ducati don't it? In his mind it's different though! I try to correct your asinine comments where you simply take cheap shots every chance you get. Even in non phone threads. Why do you constantly treat others as dumb if they make a different selection as you? Why is someone uninformed because they decide to get a different phone than you? Is it not possible that they know everything youre saying but they still make the choice that's right for them? Why is that choice a dumb one just because it's not the one you would make? I think it's your constant need to justify your purchases by putting others down. You do it with everything. Why would anyone listen to your opinions on anything? We all know how your house, bike, job, debt decisions have worked out for you! If anything your opinion serves as a firm reason on why to choose the exact opposite. In fact when you post that something is the smart choice to make, it immediately tells me to strike that option from the list!

[Georgiacbr]

The people that call me on it are the ones that disagree. And more often than not, more people agree than disagree.

Troy does it daily, but because he is pro iPhone you do not mind it. It is only when someone posts something that you don't agree with that you "take offense"...

I point out pros and cons of nearly any topic at hand. You cherry-pick the things that you don't like or disagree with and take issue with them and ignore the rest.

if I came into every phone thread the way Troy does and evangelize the iPhone, we would not be having this discussion. if I had "corrected" Mike when he said your decision was dumb, you would not have minded my "putting my nose in"...

Understand? Unlike you and a lot of members, I am very consistent in my beliefs and approach to things...

X2 I agree with your statement above....


Let's see what iphone5 brings to the table. There is talk's on a 3d based screen that might be a neat feature but still Apple is going to have to raise the bar on the screen it's dam too small.

[SquireSCA]

Sounds like Dave and Ducati don't it? In his mind it's different though! I try to correct your asinine comments where you simply take cheap shots every chance you get. Even in non phone threads. Why do you constantly treat others as dumb if they make a different selection as you? Why is someone uninformed because they decide to get a different phone than you? Is it not possible that they know everything youre saying but they still make the choice that's right for them? Why is that choice a dumb one just because it's not the one you would make? I think it's your constant need to justify your purchases by putting others down. You do it with everything. Why would anyone listen to your opinions on anything? We all know how your house, bike, job, debt decisions have worked out for you! If anything your opinion serves as a firm reason on why to choose the exact opposite. In fact when you post that something is the smart choice to make, it immediately tells me to strike that option from the list!

How so? I have had 6 Ducs and 9 non-Ducs.

And the reason why I bought the current Duc? Because there is no Japanese manufacturer that makes a true, naked Vtwin superbike.

But that doesn't mean that I don't like other bikes, acknowledge their strengths and advantages, etc...

That's the difference between having a preference, and being a fanboy. It is ironic that you don't get that simple distinction. :-)

[SquireSCA]

X2 I agree with your statement above....


Let's see what iphone5 brings to the table. There is talk's on a 3d based screen that might be a neat feature but still Apple is going to have to raise the bar on the screen it's dam too small.

Agreed. The screen is way too small for real multimedia work. And the home pages need a complete revamp. All they are is a collection of icons that you can launch. The iPhone has no real interactive interface. You want to see the weather report, you have to go find and launch your weather app. You want to see contacts, you have to locate and launch the contact app. You want to check a stock price, you have to go find and launch your stock app. You want to listen to music, you have to go find that app. You have to pick and choose what you want to see and manualy launch it, and you can only really do one thing at a time, so it doesn't really "multi-task" for shit, because you can truly only do one thing at a time.

You cannot be on a single screen and watch your stocks scroll by in real time, and see what is happening on Facebook in real time as you check your calender and send out an invite and fast forward to the next song on your playlist, at the same time, on the same page.

That's the difference between having a pretty iPod with a phone built in(that is mediocre at best), and a true smartphone. One is a neat gadget, and one is much more like a PC that fits in your pocket.

Hence my comments about power users versus people who just like gadgets like the iPhone. Nothing wrong with it if that is all you want, but trying to deny what the other one brings to the table is just silly...

[TroyBoy30]

Everything you list is personal preference. Everyone is different. We don't have to like what you like. Move on and let it go. Why is it that when I say I like something about the iPhone I'm a fanboi but when you type 6 pages of what you like about droid you're not? Same with Ducati. You have never once made a post listing a negative of a Ducati. You constantly defend it even though the very bike you own and swear is the best bike out there has major fueling issues that requires $1500 or so to correct. You like your stuff. We get it. Let others like the stuff they have without constantly bad mouthing it just because you don't like it. I've never once denied what android brings to the table, I simply said I don't like the os. It's resembles windows mobile too much for me. When I find something I like better than iOS I'll get it. When I find a bike I like better than the tuono I'll get it

I'll make a let Dave make your purchases decisions thread later so you can decide for everyone here what they should purchase. Anything to end your senseless babble. It takes a very self centered person to think he knows what's right for everyone

[MrBlah]

with a phone built in(that is mediocre at best), and a true smartphone.

you just listed why I bought an iphone, the phone part is the best part, it's simple, works, easy to use, unlike every other pda/smart phone I've ever owned or own, and I even had a kyocera, if you have been using smart phones for a while, you'll know what those are

[SquireSCA]

Everything you list is personal preference. Everyone is different. We don't have to like what you like. Move on and let it go. Why is it that when I say I like something about the iPhone I'm a fanboi but when you type 6 pages of what you like about droid you're not? Same with Ducati. You have never once made a post listing a negative of a Ducati. You constantly defend it even though the very bike you own and swear is the best bike out there has major fueling issues that requires $1500 or so to correct. You like your stuff. We get it. Let others like the stuff they have without constantly bad mouthing it just because you don't like it. I've never once denied what android brings to the table, I simply said I don't like the os. It's resembles windows mobile too much for me. When I find something I like better than iOS I'll get it. When I find a bike I like better than the tuono I'll get it

I'll make a let Dave make your purchases decisions thread later so you can decide for everyone here what they should purchase. Anything to end your senseless babble. It takes a very self centered person to think he knows what's right for everyone

I can answer your question, honestly.

I do not tell you that you should prefer or purchase an Android phone. I point out the advantages both technically, and from a user experience, as I have owned and used both extensively.

The debate has never been about what Troy should own. It has been a simple debate on who has more options, flexibility, customization and useful features, etc... Those things, are facts. Whether or not they *MATTER* to me, is where preference comes in.

Make this about a car... We can talk all day about how great a Lexus is, the features, the options list, reliability, etc... And they can all be proven true in most cases... But you personally may say, "You know what, I don't have that kind of budget and I just need a basic hatch-back that is reliable and gets good gas mileage to commute to work."

Nobody would argue that and try to get you to shell out $50k on the Lexus. However, where you take a wrong turn is in trying to pretend that the Ford Festive is superior to the Lexus because you don't want anything other than a basic car. Now, you can take the tact that "For you, it is superior" because of your particular situation and budget, but the argument is not nor has it ever been about Troy and what he needs. It's a general discussion, and for you to always narrow it down to you, makes your statement apply to you more than anyone else:

" It takes a very self centered person to think he knows what's right for everyone"

You make a great argument, the problem with it is that it applies mainly to you more than it does to me. I just argue the merits of the functionality or technology. Whether you care about those things or not is irrelevant, make up your own mind on what to buy. But don't pretend that they do not exist or matter, simply because you choose to ignore them...

[SquireSCA]

you just listed why I bought an iphone, the phone part is the best part, it's simple, works, easy to use, unlike every other pda/smart phone I've ever owned or own, and I even had a kyocera, if you have been using smart phones for a while, you'll know what those are

Yes, and at the time, that was why I bought one, and got two more...

But my problem was that as simple as it was, it couldn't make a call for shit, and it dropped them constantly. All of the 3G phones did, and it is a problem that AT&T and the iPhone are legendary for.

Yeah, I wanted a larger screen, more functionality, more of a "PC" experience, etc... But what caused me to actually spend the money and move to Verizon, was for better coverage and service. The superior device, was the bonus.

[MrBlah]

Yes, and at the time, that was why I bought one, and got two more...

But my problem was that as simple as it was, it couldn't make a call for shit, and it dropped them constantly.


that's a coverage problem, I have that exact problem with my verizon phone here, I used to have that problem with at&t but they put in a tower nearby

[SquireSCA]

that's a coverage problem, I have that exact problem with my verizon phone here, I used to have that problem with at&t but they put in a tower nearby

I know, but I have that coverage problem in several locations, as does my girlfriend who cannot make a call from her bedroom in Alpharetta, and cannot hold a call from her office to her apartment without dropping, and is only a 4 mile ride.

[TroyBoy30]

I can answer your question, honestly.

I do not tell you that you should prefer or purchase an Android phone. I point out the advantages both technically, and from a user experience, as I have owned and used both extensively.

The debate has never been about what Troy should own. It has been a simple debate on who has more options, flexibility, customization and useful features, etc... Those things, are facts. Whether or not they *MATTER* to me, is where preference comes in.

Make this about a car... We can talk all day about how great a Lexus is, the features, the options list, reliability, etc... And they can all be proven true in most cases... But you personally may say, "You know what, I don't have that kind of budget and I just need a basic hatch-back that is reliable and gets good gas mileage to commute to work."

Nobody would argue that and try to get you to shell out $50k on the Lexus. However, where you take a wrong turn is in trying to pretend that the Ford Festive is superior to the Lexus because you don't want anything other than a basic car. Now, you can take the tact that "For you, it is superior" because of your particular situation and budget, but the argument is not nor has it ever been about Troy and what he needs. It's a general discussion, and for you to always narrow it down to you, makes your statement apply to you more than anyone else:

" It takes a very self centered person to think he knows what's right for everyone"

You make a great argument, the problem with it is that it applies mainly to you more than it does to me. I just argue the merits of the functionality or technology. Whether you care about those things or not is irrelevant, make up your own mind on what to buy. But don't pretend that they do not exist or matter, simply because you choose to ignore them...

Those things are not facts. They are your opinion

Verizon iPhone review
February 2, 2011 09:00 by Joshua Topolsky

The Verizon iPhone 4 is an interesting product for Engadget to review. Firstly, it's not exactly a new device (not in any outwardly noticeable way). From design, down to its CPU, RAM, and even cost, this iPhone is the same as the AT&T model... save for that one small but really important thing: it's got a CDMA radio inside. The device is also somewhat tricky to review based on its software, since we've all been using (and even took a deep look at) iOS 4.2 for quite some time. So for us the task is to make clear the differences between these two devices and their networks. Now that's a little easier, because we're sure you have the same questions as us. What are calls like? How are the data rates? Is service notably improved or different than AT&T's? Most importantly, if you're currently a frustrated iPhone 4 owner, does it make sense to make the switch? We're going to answer all those queries (and more), so read on for a full review of the Verizon iPhone 4!

Launch Photo Gallery

Hardware



As we said in the intro, there isn't much of a hardware story to tell here. If you've read our review of the AT&T model, you'll know that we think the design and build of the iPhone 4 is best in class by a longshot. Of course, editors at Engadget have had a lot more time to spend with these devices, and some of our opinions have changed slightly over time. For instance, when we first tested the AT&T model, we lauded the glass and metal housing of the phone, but we didn't realize how easily that design made the phone slip out of your hands... and potentially onto a hard surface where it can easily break. More than a few folks at Engadget have smashed the backs of their phones due to accidental drops. There's no denying that the iPhone 4 is beautiful to look at, but we highly recommend a bumper or case -- especially if you tend to juggle a lot of things at once.

While the phone does basically look identical on the outside, there are a few notable changes. The first of those changes -- and most pronounced -- is the shifting of the iPhone's antenna notches (the little black bands that intersect the frame of the device). On the Verizon version, there are four slits which are symmetrical -- two on the top right and left, and two along the bottom. Apple's Tim Cook told us that the move is all about making the new CDMA chipset play nice with the antenna design. There's no indication that any changes (or improvements) have been made to the underlying antenna structure. And conspiracy theorists take note: in low connectivity settings, we could get both the AT&T phone and the Verizon phone to dip slightly in bars if we covered the bottom half of the devices with our hands. We did not see any noticeable change in call quality or data quality.

Launch Photo Gallery
Apple has also slightly shifted the mute switch and volume buttons to accommodate the antenna changes, and of course there's no SIM slot. That may not seem like a big deal, but if you already own an iPhone 4 and are switching, your case might not fit the new design (in fact, it's likely that it won't). Apple has issued a "universal" case for both models -- but that means you're shelling out more dough.

Overall, the phone is as handsome to look at and use as it was before... but what did you expect?

Internals


Just as with the external look and feel, nothing has notably changed inside the phone save for the radios. You still have Apple's powerful A4 CPU chugging alongside 512MB of RAM, the incredible 960 x 640 IPS Retina Display, and all of the rest of the iPhone 4's stock gear: 16GB or 32GB of storage, WiFi (802.11b/g/n), Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR, and all the rest. Just like the previous version, you've also got the iPhone standard ambient light sensor, proximity sensor, accelerometer, and three-axis gyroscope. What it doesn't have, of course, is a GSM radio -- instead there's a CDMA (EV-DO Rev. A) chip onboard. Is it still a feature-packed powerhouse? In a word: yes.

And if you're thinking about the display and camera performance, in our tests it was, unsurprisingly, exact to the current AT&T / GSM model. It makes sense, but just in case you're wondering, it continues to take pretty handsome photos and great looking 720p video.

Phone / reception / sound quality



As you would expect, this is basically the main course when it comes to the Verizon iPhone 4. The troubles that AT&T has had with reception and dropped calls on the iPhone are legendary, and even if not 100 percent of the issues lie with the carrier, there's most definitely a belief that the company's GSM network simply isn't equipped to handle the traffic devices like the iPhone have created. It's probably not necessary to say that this has created an enormous amount of frustration amongst iPhone users in America -- to the point that the idea of bad or dropped calls on the device has become a bit of a meme in pop culture, leaving Apple the butt of a joke it certainly hasn't been laughing along with.

At the launch event for the Verizon version of the phone, carrier execs made a pretty big deal not only about the larger and more reliable network, but the fact that they were "ready" for the onslaught of new iPhone users and customers switching from AT&T. The indication is that Big Red has every intention of not getting caught in the same mess their competition has found itself in.

So, does the phone exhibit more favorable behavior in regards to dropped / failed calls? The answer is yes -- with a caveat. We had many, many perfectly connected and sustained calls while on the Verizon iPhone (many times during testing we actually had to switch from our AT&T device to the Verizon device just to complete the call). After a couple of days of use, the fear that normally sets in about five minutes into a connected call with an AT&T iPhone all but disappeared, and we found ourselves wanting to have longer talks and not worrying so much about the potential for dropped and interrupted calls.

But on to that caveat. While the phone did connect much more reliably and consistently, it wasn't impervious to broken connections and sound quality issues. In areas where we had a weak signal, or when moving around, we experienced call interference (our callers noted this as well), and in two instances, we did drop a call when moving from one place to another (clearly an area with less Verizon juice).

Let's be clear here, however. Calls were consistently connected and uninterrupted, far more often than our AT&T calls in the same time period in similar locations. There were sound quality issues (it seemed to be happening more on our outgoing audio than incoming), but they were few and far between according to our friends and family. Overall, our level of confidence in the phone's ability to handle one of its main tasks went way, way up during our testing. If you've been looking for relief from your woes of dropped or failed calls -- right now the Verizon iPhone is making a very serious case for itself. Keep in mind, however, that this network has yet to be hit with the traffic of millions of new iPhones, but given that Verizon is already pushing tons of Android devices into the market, we're not so sure that it's going to be the kind of mess it's been for AT&T.

So -- this will solve your calling issues for the most part, but is that the only part of the equation you need to think about? Not really.

There are a few things you'll need to know about how the Verizon iPhone handles calls differently from AT&T. Firstly, you can't do 3G data and voice at the same time (but you knew this, Engadget reader!). We didn't find ourselves missing the feature very much, and you're still able to send text messages (and receive them) while on the phone. We're not saying you don't or won't need the functionality, just that it didn't sting too much to see it go (though admittedly, we were on WiFi quite a bit of the time). When using data on 3G, calls take precedent, but if you're in Verizon's 2G territory and using data, your call will go to voicemail. Another thing to consider is how Verizon's network handles multiple calls. You can add up to two people to a call, but after that, everyone gets shot to voicemail, unlike the AT&T phone, where the numbers go way beyond that.


A bigger issue may be that while using the Personal Hotspot feature (more on this in a minute), your calls will kill your connection. That means that if you're loading a page on your computer tethered to your phone and you get a call, the page stops loading and doesn't resume until the call stops ringing, or you hang up. It's a seamless transition, but still a bit jarring. If you're a busy person who is going to rely on this feature for connectivity and rely on the iPhone for important calls, this could be a serious issue.

Then there's the issue of international roaming. While Verizon does claim about 40 countries where you can roam with your CDMA device, there are lots of holes in that map. As a backup, the company has a service where it will provide you with a GSM device if you're planning on traveling somewhere you'll need one. We highly doubt you'll get a GSM iPhone (though that would be a nice gesture for customers), but at least you'll have some connectivity overseas.

Overall, if you're already a Verizon customer, none of this will really be shocking. If you're just coming to the network, you probably need a phone that actually makes calls. There are some issues here that can be aggravating on a very minor level, but ultimately none of them equal the frustration of continually dropping calls. The Verizon device lives up to the promise that yes, really, you're going to be able to make a phone call with your iPhone 4.

Data



Verizon on the left, AT&T on the right

So far so good -- voice calls are better, minor issues really are minor. It's an iPhone on Verizon's network. Ah, but it's an iPhone on Verizon's network -- and that means there are certain considerations you're going to have to take into account when it comes to data.

Let's put this as simply as we can: data rates on the Verizon iPhone 4 we tested were dramatically slower than those on its AT&T counterpart. How much slower? Well, even though network speeds fluctuate based on many factors, we didn't see the Verizon device peak much beyond 1.4 Mbps on downloads (and even that high was rare), and it barely hit 0.5 Mbps on upstream. On the other hand, the AT&T device regularly pulled down above 3 Mbps, and 1 Mbps or more going up. We'll admit that the Verizon speeds were more consistent, but the irrefutable fact is that AT&T's network is much, much faster, at least in our neck of the woods.

Of course, how much that's going to affect you is based on a lot of factors, and in our day-to-day, there wasn't a noticeable sensation of the device being slower. That consistency in data rates actually may have helped in some situations -- particularly when pulling down maps. We see our AT&T device stop and start quite a bit on major data pulls, whereas the Verizon phone seemed to latch onto a stream and not stop until the bits were uniformly situated on our phone. That said, there's no denying that YouTube videos and streaming content is going to appear more quickly on your AT&T handset.

Software



Even though the Verizon iPhone is running iOS 4.2.6, there aren't many significant or noticeable changes, save for one new addition: Personal Hotspot.

The premise of Personal Hotspot is pretty simple -- it's a hotspot app that lives in your system preferences, allowing you to tether wirelessly (over WiFi or Bluetooth) or with your sync cable to the phone's 3G service.

Setup couldn't have been easier, as you simply turn on the feature, and pick a password for your network. Unfortunately, the network takes on the name of your device and doesn't allow you to assign a custom name. Connecting devices was essentially flawless -- we managed to get all sorts of gadgets online via our Verizon connection, and on the phone side, you're kept abreast of what's happening on your network with a notification that lives at the top of your screen (like when you're in a call and go back out to the homescreen).

The service itself seemed great, though shelling out another $20 for this functionality might not be worth it to everyone. Again, the speeds of Verizon's network aren't best in class, and pulling down full size images and webpages makes that painfully clear.

Battery life


Just as with the original iPhone 4 we tested, we saw phenomenal battery life with Verizon's model too. On a day of extremely heavy use (lots and lots of phone calls, browsing, email, Twitter, text messaging) we saw well over 24 hours on a single charge. There didn't seem to be any significant hit to battery life over what we witnessed in our original iPhone 4 review. Just as with the AT&T model, backgrounding apps like turn-by-turn navigation proved to be the biggest battery draws, alongside some of the streaming video applications currently available. The bottom line, however, is that new users and switchers should be pleased as punch with the number they'll get from the device.

Pricing


We mean it when we say this is an iPhone 4 on Verizon -- the available plans are exactly the same as for every other Verizon smartphone. That means you're looking at $29.99 a month for unlimited data, with an optional additional $20 a month charge for 2GB of tethering data. You'll also need a Nationwide voice plan, of course -- the cheapest with unlimited texting is the $59 plan that offers 450 minutes a month, so you're looking at a minimum of $90 a month (or $1,080 yearly) to keep your Verizon iPhone 4 happy and completely functional. (If you drop the texting it's $70 a month, or $840.)

Compared to AT&T, that's actually a good deal, since AT&T caps its data plans. AT&T offers 2GB of data for $25 a month and the same optional additional $20 surcharge for tethering, and the cheapest combination of voice and unlimited texting plans also offers 450 minutes for $59 a month, so in the end you're spending the same $90 a month or $1,080 yearly for less data, and the same $70 a month or $840 yearly if you drop the texting plan.

However, AT&T's tiered plans mean you can pay much less if you don't use much mobile data. If you're willing to live with a 200MB data budget, you can drop down to a $15 a month data plan, which puts you at $74 a month or $888 yearly, and if you further drop texting from that you're down to just $55 per month or $660 yearly. But again, you're making some big tradeoffs there.

A final note: We're told Verizon's unlimited data plans will eventually go away in favor of tiered plans, so if you're looking to get in, you'd better act fast.

Wrap-up



If you haven't caught the theme of this review, let us spell it out -- this is very much the iPhone 4 that people have come to know and love. It's not the next generation Apple device, it's not a wowee-zowee LTE experiment, and it isn't a revolution in mobile computing. What it is, however, is a big chance to give a large portion of America's smartphone users a crack at a phone they've likely been lusting after for some time. It's also an opportunity to give relief to long-suffering AT&T customers in the form of a usable, reliable phone (not to mention a good way to kill many of the jokes the current phone's calls have created). While it isn't all rainbows and flowers (the data speed issues or the voice / data considerations could be a dealbreaker for some), it does kind of feel like Apple and Verizon did the impossible: they made the best smartphone in America just a little bit better.

[jkhonea]

Thanks for the reviews, Troy. Good write-ups. Got her order in, now just wait to see when it actually ships. Can't wait for her to get it.

[CougarJackson]

Are their any "reliable" predictions of when the iPhone (either Verizon or AT&T) will work on 4G networks?

[MrBlah]

Are their any "reliable" predictions of then the iPhone (either Verizon or AT&T) will work on 4G networks?

when the 4g iphone comes out, maybe next year?

The current iphones do not have 4g/lta whatever chips in them

[CougarJackson]

when the 4g iphone comes out, maybe next year?

The current iphones do not have 4g/lta whatever chips in them

That's what I am asking. I know that the only reason Verizon released the 4 without 4G is because people bitched about wanting it enough. They originally planned to release the 4 with 4G. I know that there currently ARE 4's with 4G that are being tested, I was just curious to know if there was some sort of an ETA regarding when it will be released to the public.

[TroyBoy30]

That's what I am asking. I know that the only reason Verizon released the 4 without 4G is because people bitched about wanting it enough. They originally planned to release the 4 with 4G. I know that there currently ARE 4's with 4G that are being tested, I was just curious to know if there was some sort of an ETA regarding when it will be released to the public.

My bet is a year from the current release. Feb 2012

[SquireSCA]

Thanks for the reviews, Troy. Good write-ups. Got her order in, now just wait to see when it actually ships. Can't wait for her to get it.

Yeah, Troy is the king of finding a link that agrees with him and copying and pasting. One day, we may get lucky and see Troy post an original thought of his own... LOL

[SquireSCA]

That's what I am asking. I know that the only reason Verizon released the 4 without 4G is because people bitched about wanting it enough. They originally planned to release the 4 with 4G. I know that there currently ARE 4's with 4G that are being tested, I was just curious to know if there was some sort of an ETA regarding when it will be released to the public.

part of the reason for the release of the non 4G model to Verizon now, is that Android is taking over the market and is poised to leave the iPhone in the dust, so in an attempt to slow that tide, giving the iPhone to another carrier made sense...

[MrBlah]

verizon just announced they are going to throttle the top 5 % of their smartphone bandwidth users for the current and next billing cycle, automatically

that's how they will keep the network working once all these new iphone users come online :crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crac kup:

[SquireSCA]

verizon just announced they are going to throttle the top 5 % of their smartphone bandwidth users for the current and next billing cycle, automatically

that's how they will keep the network working once all these new iphone users come online :crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crac kup:

Awesome, so now Verizon gets a second rate phone that will clog up their network and screw the rest of us in the process. Brilliant.

[TroyBoy30]

verizon just announced they are going to throttle the top 5 % of their smartphone bandwidth users for the current and next billing cycle, automatically

that's how they will keep the network working once all these new iphone users come online :crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crac kup:

Verizon can now throttle top five percent of bandwidth hogs, downres multimedia transfers
February 3, 2011 12:08 by Darren Murph

Nice timing, Verizon. Just as thousands -- possibly zillions -- of smartphone users are pondering the switch to Big Red for Apple's iPhone 4, the carrier has slipped in two critical policy changes that are apparently effective immediately. Tucked within loads of fine print in a new PDF that surfaced on the company's site, there's this:
"Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5 percent of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95 percent of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
To our knowledge, this is the first time that VZW has taken a notable position on throttling, and the link to its stance on net neutrality (as it applies to wireless, anyway) is fairly obvious. What's most interesting to us is the five percent of data users figure; the top one or two percent isn't a huge amount, and there's a good chance that bandwidth abusers are up in that echelon. But we're guessing that quite a few business travelers will fall within this particular range, and given that VZW now holds the right to throttle data for your existing billing cycle and the next one... well, good luck gritting your teeth and lasting through that two-year contract.

In related news, the company is also implementing optimization and transcoding technologies in its network, which is a politically correct way of explaining that it can downres any multimedia you try to send through Verizon's pipes. Head on past the break for the full quote.

"We are implementing optimization and transcoding technologies in our network to transmit data files in a more efficient manner to allow available network capacity to benefit the greatest number of users. These techniques include caching less data, using less capacity, and sizing the video more appropriately for the device. The optimization process is agnostic to the content itself and to the website that provides it. While we invest much effort to avoid changing text, image, and video files in the compression process and while any change to the file is likely to be indiscernible, the optimization process may minimally impact the appearance of the file as displayed on your device."
In other words, those JPEGs you're uploading for a client may end up looking like rubbish on their end, and by no fault of your own. And that Netflix stream you're trying to watch on the road? Hopefully you enjoy massively pixelated VGA clips. Of course, this is no guarantee that Verizon will immediately start hampering the enjoyment of its mobile broadband users, but if this kind of activity doesn't frighten you, what will? The world's becoming more and more dependent on mobile data networks, and the carriers seem to be moving backwards. Rather than embracing the change, they're all making it harder and harder for consumers to actually rely on them to get work done. Thanks for thinking of us, Verizon.

[MrBlah]

LOL they are gonna re-encode video on the fly and make it look like pixilated ass

[SquireSCA]

OMFG Troy, just post an original thought for once in your life. Make your own point, or argument.

A ****ing monkey can hit copy and paste all day.

We need a separate section of the forum for Troy to just puke up all the Copy and Paste articles he subscribes to.

[MrBlah]

your just mad your gonna be in that 5 % that they throttle the shit out of

[SquireSCA]

your just mad your gonna be in that 5 % that they throttle the shit out of

Well, I don't see the point paying for the unlimited plan and a large screen for better browsing and video, and then having to be throttled so that they can give all the noobs with last year's iPhone my bandwidth... LOL

[MrBlah]

I have a verizon mifi hotpsot thing, for the ipad and laptop, I bet they throttle us too, it's on a business plan though

[jkhonea]

The data throttling will be across the board for all data, not specific handsets or makers. So no, the iPhone won't have specific exclusivity from this. The change would have come iPhone or not with the heavy increase in Android and MyFi sales. It was going to happen no matter what.

[SquireSCA]

Well Dave does not approve.

[jkhonea]

I'm not fond of the throttling either, but I think it was inevitable. They were getting so many devices of all types on there to let it keep going untouched. They would have ended up with crashes.

[SquireSCA]

At least with LTE, they will be starting to offload some of that traffic to that and it may end up easing the stress on the 3G network...