Another floats to the top...

[derhntr76]

like turds in a punch bowl. So another liberal, gutless, Democrat rolls over, decides to vote yes
on Obama care and floats to the top. How many more to fall under the pressure of the
Traitors Roost. Kucinich sucks like the rest of them.

[jkhonea]

like turds in a punch bowl. So another liberal, gutless, Democrat rolls over, decides to vote yes
on Obama care and floats to the top. How many more to fall under the pressure of the
Traitors Roost. Kucinich sucks like the rest of them.

Nah, he didn't fall under pressure. He got a ride on Air Force One and that magically made him see the light. You didn't know that? :D

[winmutt]

He's also got Crohns and probably has had more bad dealings with insurance companies than any of us. Don't you know he was holding out for single payer health insurance to be put back on?

[wbeck257]

Yeah, he was pissed that the bill wasn't liberal enough.
Anyone thought that he would vote "no" when the final showdown came is a little delusional...

[Phatmax]

They probably held him at the door at 35000 feet and told him to vote or get a bird's eye view the hardway.

[Troutman]

lol^^

[Phatmax]

Kucinich was bad enough. In 2009 a FEDERAL Judge ruled that the water pumps to the Central Valley in Cali were killing too many smelt. So nearly 50% of the irrigation water to the valley was cut.

Jobs lost, economy suffered, production dropped, price of goods went up, etc.

Then this:

This is nearly CRIMINAL:

Is this Another Backroom Deal to Force Obama’s Bill Down the American People’s Throats?

As a vote approaches on Obama and Pelosi’s government takeover of healthcare, Code Red is now considering two supposedly “undecided” California Democrats, Dennis Cardoza and Jim Costa, to now be “yes” votes.


The U.S. Department of Interior announced yesterday that it is increasing water allocations for the Central Valley of California, a region that depends on these water allocations to support local agriculture and jobs. The region has recently been starved for water and as a result unemployment has soared. Not surprisingly, Cardoza and Costa had a hand in the announcement:


“Typically, Reclamation would release the March allocation update around March 22nd, but moved up the announcement at the urging of Senators Feinstein and Boxer, and Congressmen Costa and Cardoza.”(“Interior Announces Increased Water Supply Allocations in California,” U.S. Department of Interior news release, 3/16/10)

Will Cardoza and Costa come clean about this apparent backroom deal for their votes?

[wbeck257]

Isn't that the same valley Hanity went to last year and did a rain dance?

[Phatmax]

Isn't that the same valley Hanity went to last year and did a rain dance?

could be, not sure.

But really interesting, cut off the water to the valley, then buy the reps votes by turning it back on...

I think I saw sh!t like that on Bonanza or Knight Rider. Strongarm politics.

[impalanar]

Why is this necessary? According to this article...http://mediamatters.org/research/200909230029 the watering restrictions were removed last June.

And it is Media Matters so we know they wouldn't lie, right?

[Troutman]

could be, not sure.

But really interesting, cut off the water to the valley, then buy the reps votes by turning it back on...

I think I saw sh!t like that on Bonanza or Knight Rider. Strongarm politics.

Its the American Way!

[Phatmax]

Its the American Way!

The CHICAGO way.

Nebraska, Louisiana, Ohio, now Cali.... So much for "representatives", more like sub-rulers. To hell with what their voters ask them to do, it is more like what they get to tell the voters what they are getting.

[wbeck257]

could be, not sure.

But really interesting, cut off the water to the valley, then buy the reps votes by turning it back on...

I think I saw sh!t like that on Bonanza or Knight Rider. Strongarm politics.

Oh I just find it funny that Mr. Ultra-Con Hanity prayed for rain and for the .gov to fix the problem out there, and they did...

... with universal healthcare. :rofl:

[winmutt]

This is nearly CRIMINAL:


How? This is how DC has always worked. Maybe your to young to have seen this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

[impalanar]

How? This is how DC has always worked. Maybe your to young to have seen this:


School House Rock FTMW!

[jkhonea]

School House Rock FTMW!
I bought that whole set on CD specifically for Mason. Man I loved those.

[derhntr76]

Unfortunately it wasn't Obama and Pelosi at the door at 35,000 feet. Would be happy to hand both an empty chute and offer to hold the door for them. Either way, Congress is going to get "freight trained" in November. Will be time to return the favor they are about to bestow on this country. Once we get the majority, maybe there's a chance to impeach Obama.

[wbeck257]

You won't get a big enough majority (that is even if you get a majority) to impeach Obama.

[derhntr76]

You won't get a big enough majority (that is even if you get a majority) to impeach Obama.
Ummm,yeah. Okay. An did you ever think you'd see a Republican replace Ted? Obama's days are numbered.

[Phatmax]

How? This is how DC has always worked. Maybe your to young to have seen this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

I know DC works this way, but when you have a majority of people NOT wanting this healthcare bill and the Pres is buying congressional votes with other rulings and legislations, co-opting and corrupting reps....it is bullshit. Especially when you use CITIZENS livelihoods and economic well-being as leverage to get "your way".

I am very much for no earmarks in bills, and certainly getting rid of this "deem and Pass" bullsh!t.

They work for us. We do not work for them.

And by the way, I am also 32.

[impalanar]

You won't get a big enough majority (that is even if you get a majority) to impeach Obama.

I am really interested as to what charge they would impeach him on? So far as I know, being inept is not an impeachable offense.

[wbeck257]

I am really interested as to what charge they would impeach him on? So far as I know, being inept is not an impeachable offense.

Thats another point -- but I'm sure they can dream up some bullshit...

[derhntr76]

Thats another point -- but I'm sure they can dream up some bullshit...
The President of the United States and Congress are both sworn in to "uphold the Constitution" but their subversion(i.e.-Obamacare)of the Constitution is an impeachable offense. If it does pass, it will go to the Supreme Court and could be found to go against our Constitution opening the gate for impeachment. He is intentionally going against the will of the People. He works for us, not us for him. No where in the Constitution does it make legal FORCING/MANDATING the people to have insurance. Show me where it says this.

[winmutt]

What constitutional law is he breaking? Where was your outrage when W wiped his ass with it?

[derhntr76]

Hhttp://www.amorian.org/2009/09/10/the-big-list-of-reasons-to-impeach-is-updated-after-the-obama-sept-9-2009-address-to-congress/Here you go Mutt. Found a few decent reasons here:
Of course there's a reasonable explanation for each if you'd care to venture. Few more points than Bush and in record time.

[wbeck257]

I'm laughing my dick off at that list. Last time I checked wasting our precious time isn't an impeachable offense.

And goddamn -- where were you screaming impeachment when bills were being written that basically said that you have no privacy anymore. Ohh, thats right... Glenn Beck was still on CNN then and you didn't watch him.

[derhntr76]

I'm laughing my dick off at that list. Last time I checked wasting our precious time isn't an impeachable offense.

And goddamn -- where were you screaming impeachment when bills were being written that basically said that you have no privacy anymore. Ohh, thats right... Glenn Beck was still on CNN then and you didn't watch him.
I smell Kool Aid. Grape flavor I think. Never ceases to amaze me how people condone what the current clown boy has done so far. Simply stunning.

[wbeck257]

Your avoiding my question -- and it is a great tactic by the anti-obama-league to just say "oh well your brainwashed", or "the savior can't do wrong can he?"; instead of answering the question.

Here is what I think Obama has done so far; a whole bunch of nothing.
However, I will admit, in the 422 days he has been in office my life has improved.

The one thing he has done that has a daily affect on my life is that part of the Recovery act is they paved the road I take to work. It is a lot nicer now.

Thank you great one!!!!!

[impalanar]

Your avoiding my question -- and it is a great tactic by the anti-obama-league to just say "oh well your brainwashed", or "the savior can't do wrong can he?"; instead of answering the question.

Here is what I think Obama has done so far; a whole bunch of nothing.
However, I will admit, in the 422 days he has been in office my life has improved.

The one thing he has done that has a daily affect on my life is that part of the Recovery act is they paved the road I take to work. It is a lot nicer now.

Thank you great one!!!!!

My life is basically the same as it was under W and the end of the Clinton era. I work and earn everything I have, I owe nothing I have to the President.

[derhntr76]

Your avoiding my question -- and it is a great tactic by the anti-obama-league to just say "oh well your brainwashed", or "the savior can't do wrong can he?"; instead of answering the question.

Here is what I think Obama has done so far; a whole bunch of nothing.
However, I will admit, in the 422 days he has been in office my life has improved.

The one thing he has done that has a daily affect on my life is that part of the Recovery act is they paved the road I take to work. It is a lot nicer now.

Thank you great one!!!!!

You are definitely on the Kool aid and in lockstep with "their" thinking. Plenty of reasons on that site but typical of a lib mind>delusion and denial. With the mindset you're in, there's no reasoning with it.

[derhntr76]

High time to investigate charging and trying a lot of politicians for bribery. A felony. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, the list is endless. They bought votes, advancement in political office, in general a lot of underhanded crap. Found an interesting read. Of course, this would apply to most of Congress but getting Obama charged first would be a nice start:
http://www.nywhitecollarcrimes.com/White-Collar-Crimes/Bribery.aspx

Of course, libs would give them a pass. Nice character.

[winmutt]

Wow dude. Just wow. Talk about drinking the Koolaid. I don't see much on that list that is impeachable, and that which is is poorly backed with any kind of legitimate data. Some 12 year old came up with that list.

[wbeck257]

Wow dude. Just wow. Talk about drinking the Koolaid. I don't see much on that list that is impeachable, and that which is is poorly backed with any kind of legitimate data. Some 12 year old came up with that list.

Ugh -- you are just part of the Obama-Mania cult too!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[winmutt]

Ugh -- you are just part of the Obama-Mania cult too!!!!!!!

Right. When the neocons setup Clinton, he clearly broke a law. I didn't like it, it was dirty, but it was an impeachable offense. The stuff listed on that list is a joke, the few items on there that are impeachable lack any data proving it so. Weak.

[impalanar]

Right. When the neocons setup Clinton, he clearly broke a law. I didn't like it, it was dirty, but it was an impeachable offense. The stuff listed on that list is a joke, the few items on there that are impeachable lack any data proving it so. Weak.

He was being sarcastic. And as a side note, you are right.

[G_MAN]

Bribery in Politics, Noooo. As many have said before Politicians are Politicians regardless of which side of the isle they sit on.

[jkhonea]

Bribery in Politics, Noooo. As many have said before Politicians are Politicians regardless of which side of the isle they sit on.

And I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire. I'd just throw more gas on.

[G_MAN]

Amen to that. ^

[impalanar]

^^^ +2

[Hammerhead]

Bribery in Politics, Noooo. As many have said before Politicians are Politicians regardless of which side of the isle they sit on.

But "The Him" is supposed to be a different kind of politician (CHANGE!).

[winmutt]

He was being sarcastic. And as a side note, you are right.

I know, I was just pointing out what an actual impeachable offense was.

+4 on the gas.

[G_MAN]

Hammerhead, I had high hopes that maybe "Barry" would in fact be different, but alas he is just a politician. So now it's the Republicans turn to drum up someone fresh and new to "bring" a different way of doing things to Washington. I think for the next few elections anyone new who represents the possibility of new ideas has a great chance of winning any office they run for.

[jkhonea]

Hammerhead, I had high hopes that maybe "Barry" would in fact be different, but alas he is just a politician. So now it's the Republicans turn to drum up someone fresh and new to "bring" a different way of doing things to Washington. I think for the next few elections anyone new who represents the possibility of new ideas has a great chance of winning any office they run for.

At the rare we're going, we'd be better off selecting President by doing a show like American Idol. Sure as hell seems to be how most people are voting lately.

[winmutt]

GMAN I think you are wrong. I think we've had enough change. I'll vote for anyone who balances the budget and doesn't step on privacy/freedom. Particularly the one that makes the least amount of promises!

[Hammerhead]

Hammerhead, I had high hopes that maybe "Barry" would in fact be different, but alas he is just a politician.

Different in what way? What exactly turned you on? His inexperience? That he had surrounded himself with & was mentored by anti American radicals? The promise of "Obamacare"? Or did you just want to be "historic"?

[jkhonea]

GMAN I think you are wrong. I think we've had enough change. I'll vote for anyone who balances the budget and doesn't step on privacy/freedom. Particularly the one that makes the least amount of promises!

So basically, we're ****ed.

[derhntr76]

So basically, we're ****ed.

Temporarily.

[winmutt]

Temporarily.

Without major changes in Congress and a rude awakening I don't see much of anything changing.

[derhntr76]

Ugh -- you are just part of the Obama-Mania cult too!!!!!!!

:rofl:
No, the anti-liberal cult. Get it straight. Since you appear to condone and support what "they" are doing, please tell us how long you've been out supporting a household and a family and how this new form of taxation will not hurt you. Apparently the taxation they're about to impose isn't going to bother you in the slightest. Remember as this thing unfolds young one's like you, my kids, and their kids will pay dearly for this. This isn't a short dance dude, it's a long ass waltz. Had this been done in the great one's words, a bipartisan effort instead of rammed down our throats as a massive expansion of government control, it might have had some merit if done properly.

[G_MAN]

Believe it or not I thought his inexperience as you put it was a plus. Unlike the "Maverick" he hadn't been in Washington long, and I thought that would mean he hadn't been there long enough for Washington to seep into his pores. And by different I mean doing the will of the people and not just paying lip service to it. In hindsight he has shown himself to be just another politician. I can't say McCain and the Moose Wrangler would have had our countriy in any better shape. This is the hand we have now until the next election I live with it.

[derhntr76]

Yes, you're right about McCain and the Moose Wrangler but she's a hell of a lot more pleasant to look at than Mr. Smug is. We're okay for now and we'll live with it. It will be fun watching the incumbents squirm up to the election as the country is reminded of the betrayal and their insignificance to the people they elected to govern. Slow simmering instead of a blind rage makes for a better stew in the end anyway.

[jkhonea]

Believe it or not I thought his inexperience as you put it was a plus. Unlike the "Maverick" he hadn't been in Washington long, and I thought that would mean he hadn't been there long enough for Washington to seep into his pores. And by different I mean doing the will of the people and not just paying lip service to it. In hindsight he has shown himself to be just another politician. I can't say McCain and the Moose Wrangler would have had our countriy in any better shape. This is the hand we have now until the next election I live with it.
That's the problem. NO ONE comes out of the Chicago political machine "clean and inexperienced". Hell, they make the Mafia look like choir boys.

[G_MAN]

John, I agree with you totally. Like I said, I wished in my heart of hearts that he would be different. That we would get someone who really was about doing things different from the way Washington is accustomed to running, and I WAS WRONG. I'm still hopeful that someone will emerge, Dem or Repub, that will take Washington by storm and represent the people. Maybe the Republicans can bring out a fresh face I can believe in, at this point party matters not to me.

[winmutt]

it might have had some merit if done properly.

I'll agree to that. I believe that a few long term study committees should be created in the senate and house in order to really spend some time on figuring out the best way to get us out of debt, overhaul our healthcare and social security. I don't think there is an easy bipartisan solution that can be created in the span of a year, four or even 8 years.

I think it is a shortcoming of our style government, one that China's single party system, for instance, overcomes. They can take longer to plan a set of actions over a much longer period of time than we can. Here everyone is only interested in looking good for the next election.

[impalanar]

I think it is a shortcoming of our style government, one that China's single party system, for instance, overcomes. They can take longer to plan a set of actions over a much longer period of time than we can. Here everyone is only interested in looking good for the next election.

Wait, he didn't just say what I think he said?

[impalanar]

I wished in my heart of hearts that he would be different.

Most of us who didn't vote for him, wished the same thing.

[winmutt]

Wait, he didn't just say what I think he said?

Am I wrong?

[impalanar]

Am I wrong?

In so many ways.

[winmutt]

In so many ways.

How/why? How about instead of China, any monarchy? Do we have long term planning committees that look at this? If we instituted term limits would we be able to continue to have them? Am I wrong that politicians only care about the next election? I think we have less bipartisanship because most issues are brought up and resolved in a year, but things like the deficit, healthcare and social security are not going to be resolved in a year and certainly not in a truly bipartisan effort.

[impalanar]

How/why? How about instead of China, any monarchy? Do we have long term planning committees that look at this? If we instituted term limits would we be able to continue to have them? Am I wrong that politicians only care about the next election? I think we have less bipartisanship because most issues are brought up and resolved in a year, but things like the deficit, healthcare and social security are not going to be resolved in a year and certainly not in a truly bipartisan effort.

Oh you meant about the one instance, no you are not wrong on that. Maybe wrong for bringing it up since the downsides far, far, far outweigh the upside.

[winmutt]

Downsides of a single party system? Really? I would say we pretty much have a single party system at this point anyways. Even in China's single party they have many different factions that could be considered to be practically different parties. Same shit, different toilet... I would venture to say politicians are politicians no matter what the system, at least over there they hang them for bribery and stealing money.

[impalanar]

Downsides of a single party system? Really? I would say we pretty much have a single party system at this point anyways. Even in China's single party they have many different factions that could be considered to be practically different parties. Same shit, different toilet... I would venture to say politicians are politicians no matter what the system, at least over there they hang them for bribery and stealing money.

And how many of their constituents were killed by that one party system?

[Troutman]

And how many of their constituents were killed by that one party system?

Directly or indirectly?