So, apparently Israel occupying the West Bank is critical to end times theology...

[impalanar]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/03/bibi-and-hagee.html

So if this is true, why does the Jewish vote plant itself very much on the left. (linky (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html) in case you are curious)


The evangelicals see permanent Israeli colonization of the West Bank as critical to End-times theology; and they are helping fund it with millions. The neocon gamble - that uniting Jewish fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists is an international project for greater Israel and permanent Republican majorities in the US - is still in play. And it makes a two-state solution impossible.

This is why Obama matters as much now as ever. Only he can save us from this fundamentalist politics and the religious wars it can and will unleash even further unless restrained and blocked. There are increasingly fewer ways for pro-Israel American moderates to stay silent or dodge this question. Lashing out at realists as anti-Semites is not the answer. It is a distraction. They have to take a stand. Or Israel will be as polluted by the fumes of Christianism as the GOP.

Obama is Israel's last chance to dial back this vicious fundamentalist cycle. And if israel doesn't, the consequences for all of us are grave. Petraeus gets this. When will the neocons?

[impalanar]

And this is what I think of the article...

http://www.jessicadunton.com/blog/TinfoilHat.jpg

[MX Tuner]

The cat looks happy and secure!

[Karl Hungus]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/03/bibi-and-hagee.html

So if this is true, why does the Jewish vote plant itself very much on the left. (linky (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html) in case you are curious)

Because most Jewish people don't believe all that End Times bullshit? The ones I know are as far from fundamentalist as you can get.

[wallypiper]

Maybe I just don't have the context, but I found most of the linked article to be a pretty incoherent rant.

"There are increasingly fewer ways for pro-Israel American moderates to stay silent or dodge this question." What question?

"They (presumably pro-Israel American moderates) have to take a stand. Or Israel will be as polluted by the fumes of Christianism as the GOP." The fumes of Christianism? What? Take a stand on what? The west bank? What stand should they take?

[impalanar]

Maybe I just don't have the context, but I found most of the linked article to be a pretty incoherent rant.



That was my point really.

This was my reply to my friend that posted it in all seriousness...


Seriously, that was the funniest ish I have read in a while. "The evangelicals see permanent Israeli colonization of the West Bank as critical to End-times theology;" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If a conservative said something like that there would be tinfoil hat comments abounding.

And her response:


the thing is, David, they really DO say that. i don't think it's a big secret that a certain branch of Christianity loooooves Israel only because they think it's super important for the end of the world- they want Israel to antagonize their neighbours, bring on armaggedon, which (this is all based on their twisted interpretation of Revelation) involves most of the Jews- you know, the ones who don't convert- burning. Bibi is a nutter to welcome these people.

[Karl Hungus]

Your friend is right. That Hagee guy's TV show proves it. It's always some rant about the End Times and the Jews are the key characters. Can you say crazy?

[impalanar]

Your friend is right. That Hagee guy's TV show proves it. It's always some rant about the End Times and the Jews are the key characters. Can you say crazy?

But, which part is she right about? The crazy is very little of the reason she posted it.

[Karl Hungus]

But, which part is she right about? The crazy is very little of the reason she posted it.

I think she's right in everything she said. There are a lot of people (I would use Sarah Palin as a prime example) whose only reason for caring about Middle East politics is because of End Times theology.

[tigerrider]

I think she's right in everything she said. There are a lot of people (I would use Sarah Palin as a prime example) whose only reason for caring about Middle East politics is because of End Times theology.

Correct, I have seen the commercials pleading for money to help send Jewish families back "home" during Hagee telecasts. It is part of Evangelical doctine.

[MrBlah]

I think she's right in everything she said. There are a lot of people (I would use Sarah Palin as a prime example) whose only reason for caring about Middle East politics is because of End Times theology.

did sarah palin actually tell you this or say this?

[Karl Hungus]

did sarah palin actually tell you this or say this?

very old news, from when we first met her.

http://m.washingtontimes.com//news/2008/sep/04/palins-evangelical-faith-drives-pro-israel-view/

[MrBlah]

very old news, from when we first met her.

http://m.washingtontimes.com//news/2008/sep/04/palins-evangelical-faith-drives-pro-israel-view/

seriously, an op-ed as a source? surely you can find a real news source

[Karl Hungus]

seriously, an op-ed as a source? surely you can find a real news source

That's not an op-ed. It's a news story on her religious beliefs and how it ties in to her politics. And it's from a newspaper that was on her side in the election.

[MrBlah]

that's an op-ed of hearsay they even talk about my church, along with false information about it

[Karl Hungus]

You win. It's all lies.

[MrBlah]

You win. It's all lies.

dont say I didnt give you a chance to back up your supposed "facts"