interesting quote

[Butthead]

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president. -- Author Unknown

[Lazarus]

I'm not a political person so I sit back and I look at things from all angles and I ask myself is it that people want to see Obama fail and thats why everything is "Its Obama's fault"?

[Butthead]

no, it's that some of us believe in the Constitution, and state's rights, and a work ethic, and individual responsibility, and freedom from tyranny. and that your rights are life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. happiness is not a right. and neither is health insurance.


I'm not a political person so I sit back and I look at things from all angles and I ask myself is it that people want to see Obama fail and thats why everything is "Its Obama's fault"?

[Lazarus]

no, it's that some of us believe in the Constitution, and state's rights, and a work ethic, and individual responsibility, and freedom from tyranny. and that your rights are life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. happiness is not a right. and neither is health insurance.

Again the reason why I'm not involved in politics. :D

[Butthead]

no offense, but if you are not part of the soluion, you are part of the problem.


Again the reason why I'm not involved in politics. :D

[bigb996]

i don't blame Obama directly, i blame the liberals that are under him. He's just a hot headed speaker, nothing more. Noone wants anyone to fail, its when you take things that the people do not want and put them in anyway that creates problems.

[Lazarus]

no offense, but if you are not part of the soluion, you are part of the problem.

And the solution is?

[Lazarus]

i don't blame Obama directly, i blame the liberals that are under him. He's just a hot headed speaker, nothing more. Noone wants anyone to fail, its when you take things that the people do not want and put them in anyway that creates problems.

Nah I dont believe that. I honestly think there are people out there for whatever reason that wants to see him fail so they can say we told you so.

[DecepticonDon]

He's just a hot headed speaker, nothing more.

And only that with the aid of teleprompter.

[Dan43]

I'm not a political person so I sit back and I look at things from all angles and I ask myself is it that people want to see Obama fail and thats why everything is "Its Obama's fault"?If you disagree with Obamas policies and objectives, if you think they are detrimental to the nation, don't you have to want him to fail?

[Butthead]

systematic extermination of liberals.


And the solution is?

[02ep3]

How's the weather out on the fringe? How can anyone take you seriously when such bile comes out of you? Honestly?

[Trey]

no offense, but if you are not part of the soluion, you are part of the problem.

No offense war chicken man, but is posting constantly on a message board part of the solution as well? (You know I agree with you 99% of the time, but I don't see LEPR as solving the Obama problem..)

[impalanar]

If you disagree with Obamas policies and objectives, if you think they are detrimental to the nation, don't you have to want him to fail?

Laz?

[Spicoli]

i don't blame Obama directly, i blame the liberals that are under him. He's just a hot headed speaker, nothing more. Noone wants anyone to fail, its when you take things that the people do not want and put them in anyway that creates problems.

Hate to break the news to you but between 2004 and 2008 he was a Senator and among "the liberals."

[Butthead]

honestly, i don't care if you take me seriously or not.


How's the weather out on the fringe? How can anyone take you seriously when such bile comes out of you? Honestly?

[petrel800]

And the solution is?

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

Democracy in America Alexis de Tocqueville
John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government

I'm sure others here can add to this list.

Gain an understanding of what the founders were trying to accomplish. Understand their faith in a free individual. It's actually pretty amazing stuff.

I think you'll find that you are a lot more interested when you believe in the potential of a truly free individual, the free individual imagined by our founders, not one planned by a centralized federal government.

[derhntr76]

no, it's that some of us believe in the Constitution, and state's rights, and a work ethic, and individual responsibility, and freedom from tyranny. and that your rights are life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. happiness is not a right. and neither is health insurance.
+1. That pretty well sums it up as does the unknown author.

[derhntr76]

I'm not a political person so I sit back and I look at things from all angles and I ask myself is it that people want to see Obama fail and thats why everything is "Its Obama's fault"?
No one wants to see him fail, they just want him to do the job he was hired to do. He's failing all on his own because he's listening to the liberals, ignoring the people, and doing whatever the hell he wants. His motives are enough to be concerned about. All during the campaign, he was side stepping like any policitian would do and now he's just fricking blatant about his deceit. At this stage, his pass/fail score is a big fat zero.

[Butthead]

maybe, if that is all i did.

in addition to voting, i.....

write letters to my congressional reps and senators
donate to political causes i belive in
donate to poltiicians who share my views
donate my time to political campaigns


No offense war chicken man, but is posting constantly on a message board part of the solution as well? (You know I agree with you 99% of the time, but I don't see LEPR as solving the Obama problem..)

[TarzanMan]

Believe in what you want, but I didn't hear you screaming bloody murder when the last president was ignoring the constitution.

If you want to be taken seriously as a patriot then you need to start putting your country ahead of your political party (which I am seriously doubtful that you're capable of doing).


no, it's that some of us believe in the Constitution, and state's rights, and a work ethic, and individual responsibility, and freedom from tyranny. and that your rights are life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. happiness is not a right. and neither is health insurance.

[Butthead]

you have no idea what you are talking about. i screamed about the prescription drug benefit and the highway bill and many other bullshit
spending programs under bush. on the other hand, i have not seen or heard you say one negative thing about barry.

you will have to be more specific on what you believe bush did to ignore the constitution. the patriot act? i happen to believe that 95%
of the patriot act is fine. i do not happen to believe that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on the phone or
surfing the internet. the other questionable areas have or are being battled in court (as they should).

the war in iraq? i am on record many times stating that the WMD issue made no difference to me. iraq and saddam thumbed
their nose to the US and the united nations. he needed killing and we obliged. in 20 years, assuming iraq stays the current path
and becomes and thriving democracy, history will look very favorably on bush for liberating iraq.

what else you got?


Believe in what you want, but I didn't hear you screaming bloody murder when the last president was ignoring the constitution.

If you want to be taken seriously as a patriot then you need to start putting your country ahead of your political party (which I am seriously doubtful that you're capable of doing).

[TarzanMan]

Obama has done a couple of things I'm not happy with. Gitmo is still open, and he's taken (what I consider) the wrong side of the issue on ACTA the DMCA and a few other policies.

I haven't bothered to post any of it because I didn't see a reason to add to the cacophonous din that you sand-in-your-hoohoo cronies cry about and post up three times a day on this forum.

I don't know what kind of idiot would say that a foreign, aggressive that's killed thousands of *our* citizens (while not making us any safer), against a country that posed no threat is a better policy decision than pushing through legislation that promises to keep more people healthy.

Oh wait... I do know what kind of idiot would say that.... a close-minded partisan who would elect Joe McCarthy Czar of America were he still alive today.

There's no need to justify your opinion to me. I (and everyone else who reads this forum occasionally) have read more than enough of your diatribes to know exactly where you stand, and know that objectivity is clearly a foreign concept to you.

[wallypiper]

assuming iraq stays the current path
and becomes and thriving democracy,

:rofl:

You really see the current path as the road to thriving democracy? Seriously? Ahh, it's another thread. But keep an eye on Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan is slowly but surely engulfing Pakistan. Our military involvement in the middle east is a quagmire that is accomplishing little and costing a lot. Taking care of Americans who can't afford health care would be a lot better use of our resources.

[Butthead]

you are obviously entitled to your opinion. the reports coming from iraq are very positive. another ally in the middle east
will do nothing but help us and stablize the region. we shall see.


:rofl:

You really see the current path as the road to thriving democracy? Seriously? Ahh, it's another thread. But keep an eye on Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan is slowly but surely engulfing Pakistan. Our military involvement in the middle east is a quagmire that is accomplishing little and costing a lot. Taking care of Americans who can't afford health care would be a lot better use of our resources.

[Butthead]

leaving Gitmo open is a good thing. as for the rest, kudos to you. your debating skills rule. you stopped just short of calling me
a nazi.


Obama has done a couple of things I'm not happy with. Gitmo is still open, and he's taken (what I consider) the wrong side of the issue on ACTA the DMCA and a few other policies.

I haven't bothered to post any of it because I didn't see a reason to add to the cacophonous din that you sand-in-your-hoohoo cronies cry about and post up three times a day on this forum.

I don't know what kind of idiot would say that a foreign, aggressive that's killed thousands of *our* citizens (while not making us any safer), against a country that posed no threat is a better policy decision than pushing through legislation that promises to keep more people healthy.

Oh wait... I do know what kind of idiot would say that.... a close-minded partisan who would elect Joe McCarthy Czar of America were he still alive today.

There's no need to justify your opinion to me. I (and everyone else who reads this forum occasionally) have read more than enough of your diatribes to know exactly where you stand, and know that objectivity is clearly a foreign concept to you.

[TarzanMan]

You really see the current path as the road to thriving democracy? Seriously? Ahh, it's another thread. But keep an eye on Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan is slowly but surely engulfing Pakistan. Our military involvement in the middle east is a quagmire that is accomplishing little and costing a lot. Taking care of Americans who can't afford health care would be a lot better use of our resources.

Anyone who claims to know what that region will look like politically in 10 years (much less 20) is blowing smoke.

[02ep3]

leaving Gitmo open is a good thing. as for the rest, kudos to you. your debating skills rule. you stopped just short of calling me
a nazi.

I think that's just assumed now that you call for the systematic extermination of entire classes of people. :nutkick:

[Butthead]

not an entire class -- just the intellectually bankrupt liberals.


I think that's just assumed now that you call for the systematic extermination of entire classes of people. :nutkick:

[impalanar]

Obama has done a couple of things I'm not happy with. Gitmo is still open, and he's taken (what I consider) the wrong side of the issue on ACTA the DMCA and a few other policies.

I haven't bothered to post any of it because I didn't see a reason to add to the cacophonous din that you sand-in-your-hoohoo cronies cry about and post up three times a day on this forum.

I don't know what kind of idiot would say that a foreign, aggressive that's killed thousands of *our* citizens (while not making us any safer), against a country that posed no threat is a better policy decision than pushing through legislation that promises to keep more people healthy.

Oh wait... I do know what kind of idiot would say that.... a close-minded partisan who would elect Joe McCarthy Czar of America were he still alive today.

There's no need to justify your opinion to me. I (and everyone else who reads this forum occasionally) have read more than enough of your diatribes to know exactly where you stand, and know that objectivity is clearly a foreign concept to you.

Damn, and Troutman jumped my shit for calling him young and naive.

[Butthead]

fun arguing with libs, ain't it. :D


Damn, and Troutman jumped my shit for calling him young and naive.

[Dan43]

you are obviously entitled to your opinion. the reports coming from iraq are very positive. another ally in the middle east
will do nothing but help us and stablize the region. we shall see.Iraq will still be an outhouse in 20 years. And Iraq will stop being our ally the day we don't have enough troops incountry to bend Iraq to our will. The day we leave them to their own devices is the day they align with the rest of the region.

[wallypiper]

the reports coming from iraq are very positive

Oh yeah. Suicide bombers at the polling places on election day. That's quite positive. Democracy is on the march.

[Butthead]

in the not so distant past, saddam's sons were rounding up athletes who performed poorly and executing them. women are going to school.
people are voting. rome was not built in a day.


Oh yeah. Suicide bombers at the polling places on election day. That's quite positive. Democracy is on the march.

[derhntr76]

systematic extermination of liberals.

And not a tear to be shed.