Disaster Prepardness

[willr1]

Just got off the phone with a friend who is stateside now, but just spent a good bit of time overseas in various countries. We were speaking of how things have changed in the past 3yrs and we put on our "tin hats" and began to talk about one course I teach and that is disater prepardness. He collects guns, alot of guns, but he does not have a "turn out bag" in case SHTF. The guns he has are AK's, SKS', Mosins and other assorted guns and the usual AR and Glock (plus others). I then told him what I have and the reason why I dont keep "useless" guns around. Each gun has it's purpose and I can find parts easily for them, not to mention I would not leave an arsenal behind for others to use against me.After we got off the phone, I just thought Id share this tid bit of info at no charge ;)

I keep two sets of "turn/bug out bags", really a plastic trunk that has these items in case we have to leave, one for the wife and one for me. Mine has more "minimalist survival tools" as I can hunt/gather, while hers has more "convience" supplies.

1. Guns and ammo. I keep one pistol of each caliber and rifle (.9mm/45acp/.223/308) with 100rds each and cleaning/repair/replacement parts. Those are the most commonly used guns/calibres and ammo and parts should be easy to find.

2. First Aid Kit with quick clot, tampons (bullet wounds), needle and threa, ointments and medicine. I have 'saved" some of our medication in the food saver bags to increase shelflife until opened such as penecillian pills etc.

3. MRE's for two weeks, which can be rationed out for a month. Water filtration bottles, straws and tablets and two gallons of water and metal utinsiles/bowls. Salt, pepper, tea, coffee and powdered milk, instant breakfast, jello packets (high in calories), beef buillion cubes (makes wild game taste better) and misc non perishable food items.

4. Lights. Two halogen lights for distance and LED's for brightness and energy effecientcy. Head lamp, emergency strobe capability and red lenses. Self winding/solar weather radio with light.

5. Two knifes (one for filet and the other for general), machete, axe, folding tree/saw blade, entrenching tool (army shovel), cordage, compass, thermometer and a watch with hourhand (can be used inplace of compase), scissors and a multi tool with bits/sockets. Fire starter (magnesium, flint, waterproof matches). I also have my survival field manuals and quick reference books for the southeast.

6. Two "pup" tents, thermal sleeping bag, inflatable pillows, micro fiber sheets and and two micro fiber towels (they require less washing and resist bacteria) and toilet paper/napkins. Two small hammocks that are made from nylon and used against two trees.

7. Two pairs of jeans, cargo pants/shorts combo, breathable shirt and compactable all weather jacket, fleece hoodie and thermals. The clothes are in the vaccuum bag for space saving. Imicro ban under garments, toothpaste, baking soda, deoderant and lots of handy wipes.

8. Shoes, a pair of Teva closed toe sandle/shoes, tennis shoots and comfortable hiking boots. Micro fiber socks, wool socks and panty hose (use to warn off chiggers,fleas/ticks). Make sure the shoes have been broken in before storing.

9. Good backpack, climbing rope and misc camping gear. I have two "three day" packs and two "one day" packs for short trips. Each is either water resistant/proof or has a rain shield on it. Signaling devices (strobe, mirror), good nylon belt (I use a "rescuer's belt") and anything else you can fit in the sack or trunk without making it too heavy.

10. Books, games and other items to keep your mind going, once boredem and isolation "sickness" sets in, you will do stupid stuff and make mistakes that can cost you or your loved ones dearly.

If you dont know how to hunt, gather or clean wild game, get with someone who does and take courses. With today's economic uncertaintly, political unrest and possible catastrophe, it is not far out to think that you might have to one day leave your home and flee for safety in the hills or plains if your neighborhood can no longer sustain life or the area has been handed over to the UN

[Butthead]

all good ideas. but you live in winder, not sure you will have to go far. :)

[willr1]

all good ideas. but you live in winder, not sure you will have to go far. :)

nope lol, just to Wally World for restocking. I have acreage in N. GA and family in Perry so I should be good either way. But, in case something like "The Road" happens, I would stay in middle Ga for the milder climate during winter, plant crops and hunt more game without the cougars and bears.

[rr_double_rr]

Good advice, particularly in the event that a natural disaster like Katrina were to happen here.

I think the political, governmental argument is a stretch, not inplausible, just a stretch. But even the Scout in me says to Be Prepared because you truly never know.

[wbeck257]

I'll be at work -- we have plenty of beef jerky and coffee..

[willr1]

Good advice, particularly in the event that a natural disaster like Katrina were to happen here.

I think the political, governmental argument is a stretch, not inplausible, just a stretch. But even the Scout in me says to Be Prepared because you truly never know.

I know, but put your "Tin Foil" hat on for this, iin order for a president to declare martial law, he only has to prove that civil unrest is occuring ! . so the shootings, robberies, stock market down, unemployment and hate towards the adminstration, immigration etc all could be enough for him to do that, then he will call his buds at the UN to come in and help us, first by confiscating our firearms (hes not that stupid as a civil war will errupt) or national registration and internment camps to those who deem a risk to the "rebuilding" of his nation. So yes, the camps that have been built in S. GA and Florida for "polictial prisoners" just might be a place for us....I say "Domestic Red Dawn" ....Wolverines !

[rr_double_rr]

Lol, Tin Foil Hat. I had a 2LT standing in a marked off radiation zone for my high power satellite shot in Kuwait and told him to put one on, as well as a tin foil cup. Anyone who crosses a radiation fence to take pictures doesn't deserve to reproduce.

Anywho, I've read up on how quickly they can scoot some things though like that. Take for instance, the second that ML is declared, it's a federal mandate that everyone has to go register at the post office. Why there? The USPS isn't actually affiliated with the US Gov't. Plus, there is a whole slew of other conditions about how a shadow goverment, ran by people in fairly innocuous positions now, is set up. Director of FEMA being the big dawg at that point, and such. It's enough to drive ya crazy.

If something like that happens, I have enough to sustain myself for a few days, while moving to a new area (under the radar of course) to set up a more sustainable pace. I've thought about it, filed the plan in the back of my head, been slowly gathering some outdoor supplies that any outdoorsman would have anyway and continuing my life as I normally would.

Wolverines!

[willr1]

Im telling ya, I worked in gov't contracting and know first hand the "slight of hand" that the govt does and im the lowest of the low on the totoum (spkck) poll. just think of how much big brother watches with the Echleon system and do you think they want any "resistance fighters" in their way ? nope not at all. I have enough here at my house for about a month, maybe more depending on circumstance and rationioning. one trick is to stock up on fiber and water, once your system gets acclimated to the fiber, you will feel fuller longer without the hershey squirts and dehydration. I see the next two years as being pivotol, if the admin knows they are going to be ousted, the Illumianti will make a move and old "BO" will probably declare martial law and let China come in and take some land for our 'debt"

[rr_double_rr]

*Totem. FYI.

While I do understand how one power can become corrupt, I have a hard time with the whole Illuminati thing, outside of an interesting history and creative license as of late.

I'm paying close attention to the military cuts that are going to happen as a result of this budget and deficit argument. If we are commited to getting it back under control things are going to have to change. DoD isn't going to get carte blache anymore, and unfortunately, our national security is going to suffer for it. I wouldn't imagine it to be too crazy to have China get uppity over how much we owe them and how much we have been meddling in the affairs of their own region, and try to take some of it back by force.

My biggest thought on the matter is that the people are so united against the government right now because of all this crap, that all it's going to take is one spark to ignite a situation like London. And once that happens, you are exactly right, they will declare martial law and there we go down that slope. Here's the kicker though, The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"

des·pot (dspt)
n.
1. A ruler with absolute power.
2. A person who wields power oppressively; a tyrant.
3.
a. A Byzantine emperor or prince.
b. An Eastern Orthodox bishop or patriarch.

I think the desires of the American people are being oppressed by the government just trying to maintain the status quo of their lavish lives. I'm not calling for revolt, I'm just saying that we are staring down a dark hole due to the misuse of power by those who have it. What will be the incident that sets it off, and how will the process be undertaken? Those are really the only variables unless people elected to represent the citizenry start paying attention to what really matters.

[willr1]

When Injustice becomes law, It is our duty to Revolt

[jkhonea]

I'm not sure about the Illuminati, but I will say, there is some rather compelling evidence gathering on the Bilderberg Society. Look that one up if you haven't before. Interesting reading there.

[jkhonea]

When Injustice becomes law, It is our duty to Revolt

If it were to happen, it would be an ugly split in the military. The first part of the oath of service is the Constitution, then the President.

As much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't place bets on anything right now. It's disturbing.

[rr_double_rr]

If it were to happen, it would be an ugly split in the military. The first part of the oath of service is the Constitution, then the President.

As much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't place bets on anything right now. It's disturbing.

Right, which should mean to every red blooded patriot that the Constitution is the measure of whether allegiance to any president should be weighed. So long as the president behaves in a manner endorsed and directed by the Constitution, they've got the blessing of the framers of our government. As soon as that's not the case, they had either step back in line, or be prepared for the backlash.

[willr1]

I dont know any service member that would side with "Da Furher" as they are swon to uphold the constitution as stated above. Civil unrest now would lead to a coup and possible worse case scenario, because someone will try and make themselves king. What bothers me is BO has already commited three impeachable offenses and not a single person up there has said anything about it, but Clinton brings in a cigar and then that was discussed immediatley.

Yes, I know about the Bilderberg Society and the Swiss Summit that just took place and Im telling you, there are forces behind the white house that are making these decisions. BO is a libtard socialist, but even he knows he must live again in society in public and his actions are so careless, recklass and on purpose, you cannot help but wonder what would compel a person to do such things if he knows he would live life after the fact immune to the actions ?

[rr_double_rr]

I dont know any service member that would side with "Da Furher" as they are swon to uphold the constitution as stated above. Civil unrest now would lead to a coup and possible worse case scenario, because someone will try and make themselves king. What bothers me is BO has already commited three impeachable offenses and not a single person up there has said anything about it, but Clinton brings in a cigar and then that was discussed immediatley.

Yes, I know about the Bilderberg Society and the Swiss Summit that just took place and Im telling you, there are forces behind the white house that are making these decisions. BO is a libtard socialist, but even he knows he must live again in society in public and his actions are so careless, recklass and on purpose, you cannot help but wonder what would compel a person to do such things if he knows he would live life after the fact immune to the actions ?

Which impeachable offenses are you referring to? I would imagine that unilaterally deciding to aid Lybian freedom fighters would be one of them. What are the other two?

[SlimDizzleATL]

So my question Will...how do you carry all that stuff? In a pack? Multiple plastic bins?

[rr_double_rr]

I think he mentioned it earlier, plastic totes, a.k.a foot lockers like any good ex- military guy will have laying around. I personally have 12. Thank you multiple deployments.

[SlimDizzleATL]

I think he mentioned it earlier, plastic totes, a.k.a foot lockers like any good ex- military guy will have laying around. I personally have 12. Thank you multiple deployments.

He did and I read that. Still didnt answer how you get all that stuff around. Do you plan on having a vehicle?

[willr1]

He did and I read that. Still didnt answer how you get all that stuff around. Do you plan on having a vehicle?

yes. The equipment is in footlockers/water tight containers for a total of two. There are "spare" supplies in other containers but I have it seperated in case the wife and kids need to load and leave. I would try to get home and the others, but I have them set up where she can lift both "his and hers" in case returning home is not an option for me and we have to meet up.

I have three and single day packs, which are hiking backpacks (rucksacks) in different configurations to hold the amount of equipment you need per day. Once we are set up, I then will take inventory and go out with a day pack to find natural/supplimental resources. If she cannot load the lockers (which she could) there is a 'survival" kit in there in one of the three day packs, that has MRE's (a week), First Aide, Survival Equipment all compacted in the bag so it can be tossed in the car and go. It will get us somewhat of a "headstart", but it is there just until we can get other means.

As far as vehicles go, the trunks go in the suv or truck. If our vehicles are not able to make it (no gas, emp killed the cpu etc), we have two mountain bikes with a metal stand and trailor that we will use to haul what we cannot fit into the backpacks.

[rr_double_rr]

Sorry, didn't mean to insult, if I did. If it were me, and I saw something like this was possible, I would fill up my car every night on the way home from work. That way if something happens, all I have to do is throw the stuff in the car and head for the hills.

[willr1]

Which impeachable offenses are you referring to? I would imagine that unilaterally deciding to aid Lybian freedom fighters would be one of them. What are the other two?

Yes. The oath of office of the President of the United States is simple and concise. It reads:

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

1. The President of the United States is not authorized by the Constitution to take our nation to war without the consent of the Congress of the United States. The only exception to this is the authority granted to the President by Congress under the War Powers Act. This law allows the President to take immediate action without the consent of Congress if there is an imminent threat to the security of the United States, or its citizens. Although there was clearly no such imminent threat caused by the Civil War in Libya, the President committed members of the United States military to combat missions in a foreign country without the consent of Congress. He based his authority on a United Nations resolution, and a resolution by the Arab League.

2.The push by Pres. Obama to pass health care legislation in the Congress of the United States that he was fully aware was unconstitutional. He has continued to use his powers and executive branch of government to implement this legislation despite the fact that a federal judge has declared the entire law unconstitutional, and ordered that it not be implemented.


3.Through the Department of the Interior Obama has placed a moratorium on offshore oil drilling or exploration off both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States and in parts of the Gulf of Mexico. He has also prohibited new drilling exploration in any states in the United States. These actions by the Department of Interior have continued in direct defiance of several court orders issued by a federal judge in New Orleans, Louisiana that declared that the department had no authority to issue such a moratorium. In fact the Secretary of the Department of the Interior has been held in contempt by the same judge.

4.The President of the United States is not authorized by the Constitution to take our nation to war without the consent of the Congress of the United States. The only exception to this is the authority granted to the President by Congress under the War Powers Act. This law allows the President to take immediate action without the consent of Congress if there is an imminent threat to the security of the United States, or its citizens. Although there was clearly no such imminent threat caused by the Civil War in Libya, the President committed members of the United States military to combat missions in a foreign country without the consent of Congress. He based his authority on a United Nations resolution, and a resolution by the Arab League.

[rr_double_rr]

Ok, you're really ticked about the Lybia thing, mentioned it twice. Just picking on ya.

I figured that the healthcare thing would be part of it, but wasn't aware that the moratorium could be included in that.

Hmm, why hasn't he been impeached yet, I wonder...

[willr1]

because he is backed by "the powers that be" ! Plus it takes 2/3 of congress to do so and I dont think that would happen, but that would be a sure fire way of keeping your job next election if you did vote for impeachment. Then, dont get me started about the whole "birthers" thing, I mean this guy has so many holes in his presidency that I have literally lost faith in our way of democracy. If I wanted fixed elections and rich people to control the governemnt, I would have stayed overseas

[willr1]

Ok, you're really ticked about the Lybia thing, mentioned it twice. Just picking on ya.

I figured that the healthcare thing would be part of it, but wasn't aware that the moratorium could be included in that.

Hmm, why hasn't he been impeached yet, I wonder...

lol, yea I am. It just makes me mad that this was the "Prime Example" for the US to get him out after he showed his colors on backing UN instead of our constitution and no one did anything about it. We had a prime chance to help out in Egypt, Iran during the Tehran riots where people were revolting to an oppressive government the way we did for our freedom and BO didnt do anything to help those people

[rr_double_rr]

At this point, I think many people in those positions are just willing to wait it out. Maybe the American public will learn its lesson here. Sure, Hope and Change are great campaign platforms so long as you can maintain a nebulous definition as to what that means. Those are ideals that mean a lot to a lot of people. Everybody wants to hope for better days, and everybody wants the system to change to benefit all equally. The question is how do we get there? We don't get there by idealism, we get there by action. If he had a plan, or was capable of drawing up a plan for enacting his Hope and Change promises, he would have mentioned those in the election. He got elected by idealogical youths by tapping into social media. In that respect, very much like JFK realizing how important TV was in his campaign against Nixon. The only difference here was instead of getting an idealist with ideas, we got an idealist with nothing backing him.

I think we are going to see voter turnout like never before in 2012, and there are going to be broad sweeping changes made to our representation. A lot of them probably won't get re-elected and for good reason. Maybe the next generation of reps will realize that we are now watching them like we should have been all along. Things are very different than they were 4 years ago.

[SlimDizzleATL]

yes. The equipment is in footlockers/water tight containers for a total of two. There are "spare" supplies in other containers but I have it seperated in case the wife and kids need to load and leave. I would try to get home and the others, but I have them set up where she can lift both "his and hers" in case returning home is not an option for me and we have to meet up.

I have three and single day packs, which are hiking backpacks (rucksacks) in different configurations to hold the amount of equipment you need per day. Once we are set up, I then will take inventory and go out with a day pack to find natural/supplimental resources. If she cannot load the lockers (which she could) there is a 'survival" kit in there in one of the three day packs, that has MRE's (a week), First Aide, Survival Equipment all compacted in the bag so it can be tossed in the car and go. It will get us somewhat of a "headstart", but it is there just until we can get other means.

As far as vehicles go, the trunks go in the suv or truck. If our vehicles are not able to make it (no gas, emp killed the cpu etc), we have two mountain bikes with a metal stand and trailor that we will use to haul what we cannot fit into the backpacks.

Thats cool. I thought that was a lot of stuff to lug around in day packs and camping packs. Sounds like a solid plan tho.

[willr1]

At this point, I think many people in those positions are just willing to wait it out. Maybe the American public will learn its lesson here. Sure, Hope and Change are great campaign platforms so long as you can maintain a nebulous definition as to what that means. Those are ideals that mean a lot to a lot of people. Everybody wants to hope for better days, and everybody wants the system to change to benefit all equally. The question is how do we get there? We don't get there by idealism, we get there by action. If he had a plan, or was capable of drawing up a plan for enacting his Hope and Change promises, he would have mentioned those in the election. He got elected by idealogical youths by tapping into social media. In that respect, very much like JFK realizing how important TV was in his campaign against Nixon. The only difference here was instead of getting an idealist with ideas, we got an idealist with nothing backing him.

I think we are going to see voter turnout like never before in 2012, and there are going to be broad sweeping changes made to our representation. A lot of them probably won't get re-elected and for good reason. Maybe the next generation of reps will realize that we are now watching them like we should have been all along. Things are very different than they were 4 years ago.

I agree. I dont mind if he did these things for change for the better, but it is for the worse and I feel he is "winging it". Whats worse, too many minorities voted for him because of his color, but he is Half Black, they didnt see how he help make Illinios/chicago a urban disaster with tight policies and personal agenda's.

If anyone goes into office without a plan it is bad, but he had a plan to turn the US into a Socialist country and brought ideas that he thinks are great because Europe is using them, but failed to realize Europe is trying to move away from them after years of trial and error

[rr_double_rr]

I don't like to boil things down to race like that. It was more than just a larger than normal turn out from that particular niche that lead to his election. It was turnout from across the board that either hadn't voted before, or wanted change that we so desperately did need, that won it. I think that people felt that while fuel was so high, people were losing their homes, losing their jobs, any change would be an improvement.

The decision wasn't based on anything tangible, he hadn't been in politics all that long so there was no track record, he wasn't voicing any of his plans in any real detail, and he was appealing to people's needs, desires, and ideals. Because of that and having tapped into avenues that other candidates weren't willing to or familiar with he simply ran a better campaign.

I would like to see a candidate this time that is an American party member. Not democrat, not republican, and not tea party or independent. No bias and no spin, but simply wants to restore America to it's prior place in the world. Someone willing to forgo their own image, and their own windfalls, and do what is right for the people they represent. The rest will fall into place if they do that.

But the liklihood of that is about the same as being simulaneously hit by an asteroid and struck by lightning. So until that person comes along, or someone comes along that sets off the powder keg of another American Revolution, we just have to wait.

[willr1]

I hear ya, most people didnt want to vote for McCain as he represents the "same" and O was just dealt a sweet hand (except with H.Clinton) and no one really was strong enough to oust his "ambiance". But race did show something as more minorities voted in that election than ever before. I hate the race card, hell I voted for Alan Keys and would vote for Cain if he can pull up his numbers and pass Romney. I would like to see Bachmann and Cain united, one with expierence and the other for common sense working man's views, but dont think that will happen. I just cant live in the US if BO is re-elected

[rr_double_rr]

I hear ya, most people didnt want to vote for McCain as he represents the "same" and O was just dealt a sweet hand (except with H.Clinton) and no one really was strong enough to oust his "ambiance". But race did show something as more minorities voted in that election than ever before. I hate the race card, hell I voted for Alan Keys and would vote for Cain if he can pull up his numbers and pass Romney. I would like to see Bachmann and Cain united, one with expierence and the other for common sense working man's views, but dont think that will happen. I just cant live in the US if BO is re-elected

Totally agreed there. I don't agree with anything he does nowadays. I've already been thinking of places worth emigrating to should he get re-elected. It would show me that America and I no longer see eye to eye on how our world should work and it's time for a change.

I've also thought that Cain would be an awesome attempt. He may not have the moral grounds to deal with some of the hot button issues, I honestly don't know, but what I do know is that we need to take care of our financial solvency before we try to deal with anything else. Take a business leader who has been successful, and I mean not foundering, asking for bailouts, and not gouging to create profits, and let them give it a shot. We may not end up singing Kumbayah at the end of the day, but at least the budgets will be more balanced, and we won't have to worry about our government being financed by borrowing from one that we tried to stamp out in the 80's.

[ronnyT]

I got mine all ready to go as well

http://leatherneckm31.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/29/looters2.jpg

[willr1]

haha, classic. When I went to LA after Katrina, I saw crap like that and ones wading through the water with plasma tv's and non essitial survival gear. But hey, its Heineken so he has taste

[rr_double_rr]

Yeah, I agree, I think the Heineken has a good water to alcohol ratio so as to be effective as hydration and brain dilution.

You were at Katrina, too? I was part of the FEMA comms team.

[willr1]

I was assisting other LE agencies. We went to New Orleans after we stayed in Gulf Port. GP was not as bad, the people were more "civilized" and when we went to relieve the other officers, I can honestly say I know why some cops shot the hell out of some people, it was like staying in Haiti or a 4th world country. I dont think I would ever offer to go there again if something like that occured, I hate to be insensitive, but F# them, the people were like cockroaches and I saw just a few decent people there, all the rest were running rampant raping, stealing and robbing each other and cared nothing about trying to remain civilized and help each other.