What NASCAR oughta be...

[Wheedle]

Production based,650bhp pushrod v-8's, sequential 6 speeds, fuel injection, bumping, curb jumping, power-sliding, passing any and everywhere, 3-4 wide, sliding around on the the brakes, late braking, brushing the walls, awesome racing every lap...

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Instead of 4 hours of watching the same car go in circles following one another... hoping for a wreck so theres some excitement.

[Mortalis5509]

You will be in trouble with Nascar if you even touch. Whats racing without a little tag (as long as your caged)?

[brandon357]

You will be in trouble with Nascar if you even touch. Whats racing without a little tag (as long as your caged)?

not anymore they changed that this season

[wallypiper]

You will be in trouble with Nascar if you even touch. Whats racing without a little tag (as long as your caged)?

You don't actually watch NASCAR racing at all, do you. Watch for SPEED's Race in 60 after next weeks race at Martinsville. It's a show where they take out all the monotonous roundyround stuff and just show the parts where something happens. They bump each other all the time. That said, the V8 series is great racing. NASCAR is just something different. It's racing, though.

[wbeck257]

You will be in trouble with Nascar if you even touch. Whats racing without a little tag (as long as your caged)?

Carl Edwards disagrees
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[Dan43]

You will be in trouble with Nascar if you even touch. Whats racing without a little tag (as long as your caged)?Have you ever actually watched NASCAR?

[RichHenderson]

I LOVE the Australian Super V8s. I am glad that speed is finally bringing them back.

[TLR67]

Yep thats always been great racing.... From Ford Focus's to Mercedez...

[RichHenderson]

Yep thats always been great racing.... From Ford Focus's to Mercedez...

I have only seen Ford Falcon & Holden Commodore

[Reece]

So that's what Troy Bayliss is up to these days...nice!

[Wheedle]

Yep thats always been great racing.... From Ford Focus's to Mercedez...

I think you are thinking about the Touring Car series's

[Mortalis5509]

Yes i've have seen NASCAR before. Watched a little bit of last Sunday's race actually.

[TroyBoy30]

interested to see if the new spoiler and doing away with the wing stops em from flying!

[ramm]

Have you ever actually watched NASCAR?

yep and it's the most boring thing ever until the last lap.

Best napping show on TV right now. Turn it on, watch the first few laps. Pass out, wake up with 5 laps to go. PERFECT.

[wallypiper]

Exactly. You start slugging the Bud's during the pre-race yakking and pass out right after the first competition correction, I mean yellow flag. Then, like you say, watch the last 5 laps. Well, really, it'll usually turn out to be 6 or 8 or 10 because of the green/white/checker thing, but they will come up with at least a couple of pretty exciting laps to wrap it up.

If you watch the 60 minute thing, you get to hear about all the 1/2 psi tire pressure adjustments and so forth. In a way, that's all pretty fascinating. It's not like roadracing for sure, but it is racing. And there's plenty of bumping going on. Although, they don't even have to touch each other. The cars are so aerodynamically critical that they can just get close, mess up the air flow, and turn somebody around.

[TroyBoy30]

yep and it's the most boring thing ever until the last lap.

Best napping show on TV right now. Turn it on, watch the first few laps. Pass out, wake up with 5 laps to go. PERFECT.

funny, I do that with the motorcycle races yet I love nascar

[Dan43]

i've have I try not to be grammar or typo nazi. (I make too many ot them myself) But COME ON MAN! Did you really just type "i've have"?

[TLR67]

Dixie Speedway for the Win!

[ramm]

funny, I do that with the motorcycle races yet I love nascar

I do it with that too :lol: or I just tivo and skip around till something happens

[Mortalis5509]

I try not to be grammar or typo nazi. (I make too many ot them myself) But COME ON MAN! Did you really just type "i've have"?

LOL, my bad. Didn't really pay attention to what i was typing.

[SpeedGeek]

Exactly. You start slugging the Bud's during the pre-race yakking and pass out right after the first competition correction, I mean yellow flag. Then, like you say, watch the last 5 laps. Well, really, it'll usually turn out to be 6 or 8 or 10 because of the green/white/checker thing, but they will come up with at least a couple of pretty exciting laps to wrap it up.

If you watch the 60 minute thing, you get to hear about all the 1/2 psi tire pressure adjustments and so forth. In a way, that's all pretty fascinating. It's not like roadracing for sure, but it is racing. And there's plenty of bumping going on. Although, they don't even have to touch each other. The cars are so aerodynamically critical that they can just get close, mess up the air flow, and turn somebody around.

You mean unlike AMA Superbike had been for the better part of the last decade where you watch the start, the first lap and then might as well turn it off because Mladdin has a 10 second+ lead? Yeah, that's good racing.... NOT.

[Carbon Can Kat]

For my money this is absolutely the best four wheel racing on the planet.

"Only the BEST go 4 abreast!"

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[Wheedle]

For my money this is absolutely the best four wheel racing on the planet.

"Only the BEST go 4 abreast!"

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I just wanna see them turn right.... :crackup: Those cars have a bad tendency to tumble...

[Wheedle]

You mean unlike AMA Superbike had been for the better part of the last decade where you watch the start, the first lap and then might as well turn it off because Mladdin has a 10 second+ lead? Yeah, that's good racing.... NOT.

Admittedly, AMA Superbike has been a one or two man show most of the time. But, did you watch any Supersport? Or, how about any of the WERA races? FIM WSB ans WSS has always been a good bet. The Isle of Man , is just nuts. How about the CORR off road series? American LeMans? Grand American Road Racing Series? Hell, go to a SCCA weekend and watch normal Joe Schmoe's duke it out in the Improved Touring Classes. There is so much good racing out there... I just cant see why people get so stuck on NASCAR...

[SpeedGeek]

Wheedle,

The point is, there are all sorts of racing, and in 99% of the cases, they're good... I know of a lot of you think NASCAR is stupid or boring - eh, sometimes yes it is boring, just like AMA can be boring, F1 cn be boring, etc. but it's just DIFFERENT racing.

So many of you get up in arms because you don't see passes happening on every turn because they race on ovals. Here's my counter example - HDTheater (or HDNet?) has been playing a bunch of the dirt track motorcycle racing from Europe lately... only 4 bikes on an oval track at once... and it can often take multiple laps for the riders to set up the pass (JUST LIKE NASCAR!) Is that boring? No... It's just DIFFERENT...

Different isn't bad! It's just DIFFERENT...

Personally, I think drag racing is boring. But some people love it. I watch F1, but think it's more boring than NASCAR by a huge margin given all the stupid restrictions and such that they keep throwing in. The only passing that seems to take place after the 2nd lap is because of pit strategy - but there are 900 million fans world wide who would disagree with me.

I saw something in Sky Magazine on a flight 2 weeks ago that showed the breakdown between NASCAR and F1... F1 has like 20x more fans, but NASCAR brings in the same amount of money... Why? Because NASCAR fans are HUGELY brand and driver loyal. That's why the sponsors keep spending money in NASCAR - The fans buy the products that their favorite drivers drive for. The more that the fans do that, the more sponsors flock to the sport.

Can you say the same thing about motorcycle racing in the USA? You have to remember, here we're a niche sport. 95% of the US population never has been and never will be on a motorcycle, but nearly every single one of them has driven a car, and at one time or another most have had that urge to go fast in it. So that limits the marketability of any advertising sponsorships. You put Tony Stewart on a Burger King or Old Spice commercial and most people know who he is. You do the same thing with Ben Spies and most people are like "Who the hell is this guy? He races motorcycles? Big deal..."

And let's not forget that bikes just are not all that large to be acting as moving billboards for products the way that NASCAR cars are...

I don't think it's such a hugely bad thing that we have a popular, viable and competitive NASCAR series. If it is so easy "because they're just turning left all the time", why do people like Montoya and others coming from the likes of F1 and other racing series (Marcus Ambrose spent MANY years in the Australian V8 racing series) not winning every race? People see NASCAr and thing "it's easy" but it's NOT. They don't have all the bells and whistles that Indy or F1 have in the cars. Every lap they are running right at the edge of grip on the tires, dealing with 42 other guys on the track (ask an F1 or Indy driver what it's like to suddenly be on a track with a grid 2-3x bigger than they've ever been in before!) and it takes MANY laps to work a pass on somebody because the cars are so equal in terms of performance.

Again, it's just DIFFERENT racing. If it doesn't appeal to YOU, that's fine! But don't bitch because your prefered racing doesn't get the same level of coverage as others that are much more popular....

[Carbon Can Kat]

I just wanna see them turn right.... :crackup: Those cars have a bad tendency to tumble...

I actually don't care to see it when there are a lot of crashes and tumbling. I prefer to watch the driver's working the wheel and how different drivers cope with the changing track conditions. You can always count on Danny Lasoski trying to be a bottom dweller in the low line and Joey Saldana trying to run the cushion the whole race if they can.

[ramm]

Ok....put some tread on your tires and learn how to drive in the water.

Nascar full of pussies or what?

[SpeedGeek]

At the speeds those cars drive at, especially on ovals, windshield wipers are USELESS. Not to mention that the tread would be torn off the tires, and the tires would never be able to hold grip, rain tires or not.

NASCAR style racing just doesn't work in the rain, period. They've tried it, and it just doesn't make for a safe race, an interesting race, nor a competitive race. MotoGP ran the first race at Indy in a GD hurricane - I was there- it SUCKED! I would have much rather they postponed the race 24 hours than make us sit there and watch a CRAP race in horrible conditions. F1 rain races tend to suck as well...

Let's face it, it's not that you hate NASCAR for being NASCAR, you just envy the fact that it gets a lot of coverage and people watching it, while motorcycle racing in this country doesn't. Sad, but that's the way it goes. There are people who live for thunderboat racing, and they get way less coverage than motorcycle racing gets! So, it could be a LOT worse!!!!

[Wheedle]

At the speeds those cars drive at, especially on ovals, windshield wipers are USELESS. Not to mention that the tread would be torn off the tires, and the tires would never be able to hold grip, rain tires or not.

Dunno... works for the 24Hrs of Daytona....