next step up in bike

[flygirl]

so what would be a good bike for the next step up from a250 ninja? Id like to get some ideas...in the near future I maybe looking into it...please post up a pic too with the bike so I have a visual also..the ex sent me a link of this one for 6,000.00...but yuck I dont like the color for sure

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[Seca]

buy Bartons 03 R1.

[wicked]

a cbr600rr would make a great next step. my girlfriend has one and absolutely loves it. the cool thing about a 600 is that theyre not a bad size for entry to mid level experienced riders...but they have enough power and technology so that theyre even fun for experienced riders...honestly, ive been riding for 30+ years and the last 5 of those have been on a zx-10r...and i just got rid of it for a new zx-6r because modern 600s are really that much fun to ride...

here's our pair of 6 shooters (mines the black zx-6r, hers is the white cbr)
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs035.snc3/12310_1394550546649_1318740625_31099603_3682231_n. jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs015.snc3/12310_1394550586650_1318740625_31099604_5398603_n. jpg

[bigb996]

i cant see the picture of what you have posted because im at work. Depends really on what your ready for. Some people transition to the 650 genre, some go to supersports.

The ER-6n, or ninja 650 are great choices. The sv650, or gladius are great choices as well. Another one to look at would be the FZ-6R.

Then you jump into the 600ss class with completly different monsters.

cbr600rr, daytona 675, zx6r, R6, GSXR 600.

I actually really like the ER-6n
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For the supersports i like the GSXR 600 and the ZX6R(price is to hard to beat right now)
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[NiceGuysFinishLast]

I'd say an SV650. I went from 3 years on my gs500 to my SV650, and it was a nice step up. More power, more torque, more comfy than a supersport (especially if you get an N instead of an S... The naked lacks a fairing, but has nice upright bars vs. clipons)

[Seca]

just ride different bikes. Go with the one that fits you the best. I know most folks are hard up about letting people ride their bikes but some will let you.

[wicked]

just ride different bikes. Go with the one that fits you the best. I know most folks are hard up about letting people ride their bikes but some will let you.+1

except my SigO...she seems to want to teach every gal in the atlanta area to ride on her bike lol

[flygirl]

a cbr600rr would make a great next step. my girlfriend has one and absolutely loves it. the cool thing about a 600 is that theyre not a bad size for entry to mid level experienced riders...but they have enough power and technology so that theyre even fun for experienced riders...honestly, ive been riding for 30+ years and the last 5 of those have been on a zx-10r...and i just got rid of it for a new zx-6r because modern 600s are really that much fun to ride...

here's our pair of 6 shooters (mines the black zx-6r, hers is the white cbr)
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs035.snc3/12310_1394550546649_1318740625_31099603_3682231_n. jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs015.snc3/12310_1394550586650_1318740625_31099604_5398603_n. jpg

thanks for your input...how long has your girlfriend been riding?

[flygirl]

+1

except my SigO...she seems to want to teach every gal in the atlanta area to ride on her bike lol

maybe I need to come over then :lol:

[wicked]

shes been riding a little over four years...she had an hd sportster when we got together four years ago. we swapped bikes on a ride back from dahlonega one afternoon and she was hooked. we went to the motorcycle show and she fell in love with the cbr she has now. she got it in 07. it was her first sport bike and she still loves it to this day. it suites her when she just wants to putt around and when we go up to the twisties and she wants to ride a little harder.

[wicked]

maybe I need to come over then :lol:

honestly, im sure shed probably love that...you should go riding with us one weekend...

[flygirl]

honestly, im sure shed probably love that...you should go riding with us one weekend...

I have the week end of the 17th off and also there is going to be a ladies ride on april 24th if she would like to join a few of us :)

[wicked]

cool...ill let her know...and i can assure you that if the weather is decent that weekend, we'll be riding

[Ga-Bandit]

Southern Honda has some good deals on the new ones:


http://www.southernhonda.com/pages/newvehicles/viewmodel/25/37/446/2009/honda-cbr600rr.aspx

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[JSKeezy]

Those are some good deals on a bike...Pretty much everyone has said the correct thing...Just try every bike...Every 600 is totally different.....and then get your mtn run on and trackday and be broke like me :lol:

[BlueLghtning]

Alicia. The Ninja 650R (or ER6n) would make a great step up for you. Its still a parallel twin motor with plenty of grunt and much more comfortable on the interstate then your 250, but not quite the jump of a 600SS. I think you'll be much happier on a parallel twin or V-twin bike which is what the Ninja 650R, SV650, or Gladius are. They are also more comfortable then a full on 600SS

[Seca]

If you wanna try a DS bike you can try out the DRZ. I know thats not what you are looking for but DS bikes are a lot more fun that plain ole street bikes.

[speedracer]

Hey flygirl you can ride my 650r anytime you want to try it! Drew

[brandon357]

even though they are not making them anymore try buell, i love mine and to me it is more fun than an inline 4.... atleast the ones i rode.

[wicked]

not a huge fan of the 650s...the sv or the r...the 650 twins feel anemic to me...and why take the intermediary step? sorry, i disagree about a 650 twin being the logical choice as a bike to step up to from from a ninja 250...but to each their own...ive said it a million times to a million people...for sport bike riders, the 600 class is perfect for all levels of riders...entry level, intermediates and old guys like me that have been riding for a hundred years...a class of bike you can use as a starter but not tire of.

again, just my 2¢

[BiggsRR07]

The pearl white 07 cbr600 was my very first bike. I bought it new in 07 and I loved it. Felt great and handled better. I upgraded to a 1000 last year but I would get another 600 in a heartbeat. I think its a good choice to move up to.

[wicked]

that 07 pearl white 600rr is the reason that when it came time for a new bike i went from a 10r to a 6r...the SigO and i went up to deals gap right after she picked it up and MAN was that thing a blast to ride...

[BothaBoxer]

I know of someone selling a SV650 in great condition.Hes to scared to ride,the hypes worn of and he'll take peanuts for payments..He'll let you test drive it.Even if you dont buy it,you'll know to either cross it of your potential list,or look for a better SV bargain....

[Rottie]

I am having the same dilemma as FlyGirl. I have been on CBR600's for about 17 years (F, F3, F4) but I think I want something with more mid-range power and new tech bits but still just as nimble and forgiving as an F4. I've also started doing more track days each year so I'm looking for something that can do both street and track easily. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Oh, used it is going to have to be. New bike prices will never make it past the spousal unit. :grin:

Thanks,

David

[BlueLghtning]

not a huge fan of the 650s...the sv or the r...the 650 twins feel anemic to me...and why take the intermediary step? sorry, i disagree about a 650 twin being the logical choice as a bike to step up to from from a ninja 250...but to each their own...ive said it a million times to a million people...for sport bike riders, the 600 class is perfect for all levels of riders...entry level, intermediates and old guys like me that have been riding for a hundred years...a class of bike you can use as a starter but not tire of.

again, just my 2¢

The 650's may seem anemic when you are used to the rush of a I-4 600cc sport bike up in its power band, but they are very capable bikes with more then enough power on the street to get you in trouble. And with the right rider, other then an all out drag race, that 650 will easily be right there with the 600c in the twisties. They have lots of grunt down low and personally I think a much better engine for street riding then a high revving sport bike. I'd rather have all that power down low and enjoy the nice engine that actually has some get up and go when I'm down low in the rev range.

I flat out disagree that 600cc sport bikes make good entry level bikes. Sure plenty of people survive them, but I think people that start small and move up become much better riders much faster and overall end up being smoother riders. The race performance of the SS bikes just don't lead themselves to be very forgiving bikes and end up putting more people on their butt then they should.

I'm guessing you've never spent much time with a timid female learning how to ride or seeing them struggle with bikes too big and too heavy for them. Some guys just don't get it, especially when it comes to females moving up in the bike department. Frankly, I think it's pretty stupid to go from a bike that makes 26hp to one that makes damn near 100, especially for a timid female rider. The 650 bikes with their 65-70 hp are a perfect step and maybe all the bike they ever need. How fast do people really want to go on the road?

I frankly don't see the desire for pure SS sport bikes on the street anymore. They are really great bikes and handle amazingly well, but I just don't see the fun in the street. I'd rather have the extra comfort you get from bikes in the 650 category that are usually more comfortable, but still with great handling and lead themselves to be great all around bikes. I love a proper 600SS on the track, but on the street, I'll take comfort and the twin grunt any day.

Heck, I have so much more fun on my big goofy Vstrom tearing up the twisties then I ever did on a sport bike. I'm not saying people shouldn't ride them, but I just don't see the point in owning such a refined machine when you can never stretch it legs on the street without breaking ever law out there and putting yourself and anyone around you in danger.

[chris]

I've ridden my 250 since Aug of last year, 6k miles so far. I really want bigger bike and would love a vtwin like the Honda Interceptor or maybe a Triumph Sprint ST. But since I still can't outride my 250 I'm going to wait another year. This weekend up in the twisties I'm really starting to stick the corners so I know I'm getting better (new tires helped alot).

Good luck on your search Flygirl! Hope to ride with you when you get your new toy! :)

[James Adie]

Excellent post BlueLightning, I agree with you 100%. It's refreshing to read your good sense and realistic outlook.

I'm always deathly afraid to think of the majority of riders on liter ss bikes with the goal of riding on the road. So often I hear of unhappy or frustrated folks dealing with an overpowered, uncomfortable bike that actually may kill them before making them a better rider. I believe the time to upgrade equipment is when your skill exceeds the capabilities of the machine and then move up the next step. In this case, the perfect choice may be something with 600-range power and a not overly-aggressive stance. Whether you'd prefer the grunt of a twin or top-end of an inline-four is personal preference and frankly, more of an academic argument.

Of course, this is my opinion, I could be wrong.

[03sprint]

+1 for BlueLightning. I put my wife (Ninjagirl06) on a 650R as her first bike. When you get a chance go and read the write up on the 650r http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/kawasaki/first-ride-2006-kawasaki-ninja-650r-15793.html this bike is designed around the rider not for racing like a ss bike. This bike is light nimble and quick but not so much power to get you into trouble in the twisties. I chose to put her on this bike instead of the 250 because I knew she would want more then what the 250 would give her. I don't know how much you ride, but I get her out on her bike as much as possible, last year she logged approx. 7,000 miles and most of that was in the hills of GA, NC, TN. If you get a chance to ride one, try it out it may surprise you. Have you been to WOW motorcycles? You can sit on just about every make and model.

[wicked]

@blue: I've been riding since bikes had stone wheels and over the years and one thing I've found is that eveyone has their opinion about just about everything...especially when it comes to all things motorbikes. Even though I'm not a formal instructor, I have taught many men and women to ride over the years...timid and otherwise and with a few exceptions they were all on 600 class bikes and not one of them was a skeerdy cat and afraid of the big bad supersport. Furthermore, nearly half the people I ride with are women. Several are petite. One learned on a buell blast and one owned an sv650. Both got rid of them. Both grew tired of them quickly. Both (and many longtime riders I know) consider the twin 650 class to be entry level starter bikes. If a person (male or female) has learned the basics on a 250 and they are looking for more then a 600 ss makes perfect sense. And with the smooth power delivery, amazing breaking and on and on, they are bikes that can be ridden gingerly or hard. And his generations bikes are exceptionally forgiving. In the end, how a bike rides is completely and totally dependant upon the rider.

Again everyone has opinions. This is mine, that is yours.

[wicked]

Excellent post BlueLightning, I agree with you 100%. It's refreshing to read your good sense and realistic outlook.

I'm always deathly afraid to think of the majority of riders on liter ss bikes with the goal of riding on the road. So often I hear of unhappy or frustrated folks dealing with an overpowered, uncomfortable bike that actually may kill them before making them a better rider. I believe the time to upgrade equipment is when your skill exceeds the capabilities of the machine and then move up the next step. In this case, the perfect choice may be something with 600-range power and a not overly-aggressive stance. Whether you'd prefer the grunt of a twin or top-end of an inline-four is personal preference and frankly, more of an academic argument.
Of course, this is my opinion, I could be wrong.I agree. In my opinion there isn't a rider on the planet that should start out on a liter bike. In a perfect world, everyone would learn on a dirt bike...

And opinions are never wrong...

[A&A Motorsports]

I got 08 SV650, 09 650R Ninja and an 08 ZX-6R for sale and if you wanna test both out and see what you like more.
Either way great bikes.

[Lazarus]

Gixxers have the lowest seat height so I'd say get one if you are short plus you can select how much power you want.

[svmtbman]

I've got a yellow/black '05 GSXR 750 for sale if your interested.

[flygirl]

thanks everyone..Ive been working alot so my pc time is limited..Ill get back to this thread on my day off..I see some people have bikes they are selling..I need to get some rest and have a day off...Im not rushing into anything...just wanted to get an idea of what bike next and plan on doing it in the near future..probably gonna take an advanced riders course first before I go through with it...anyway..Ill check back at this thread when I get home from my trip in a couple days.

[Nycool]

Flygirl, I haven't seen a single post about what YOU want in a bike and the type of riding you are looking to do with it. I mean there is some great options out there and in this thread but they don't really matter all that much if they aren't cut out for what you want of it. Do you just want another same ole everyone has one sportbike, do you want to tour, cruise, trackday only, just do bike nights? I mean there are so many bikes out there but no one said you have to get another honda/gsxr just cause thats the next step in CC's.

Again just my opinion.

[flygirl]

Flygirl, I haven't seen a single post about what YOU want in a bike and the type of riding you are looking to do with it. I mean there is some great options out there and in this thread but they don't really matter all that much if they aren't cut out for what you want of it. Do you just want another same ole everyone has one sportbike, do you want to tour, cruise, trackday only, just do bike nights? I mean there are so many bikes out there but no one said you have to get another honda/gsxr just cause thats the next step in CC's.



Again just my opinion.
sorry nycool if I wasnt specific enough...I am a fairly new rider with about 2yrs riding and 10,000 miles on the 250....I ride mostly interstate and the mountains on my days off..I was thinking somthing along the lines of what I already have...a sportbike with just a little bit more power but now too much for my experience level.

[Nycool]

Well why do you feel the need to move up? Is it just the little extra power thing? I mean I think a lot has to do with your confidence in yourself what bike is going to be better for what you want to use it for. Does the thought of riding a newer 600ss make you nervous with the power different cause it will be pretty different. I think an SV650 I would me more along the lines or something you might be happy with but I would ride anything you can get your hands on.

[wicked]

sorry nycool if I wasnt specific enough...I am a fairly new rider with about 2yrs riding and 10,000 miles on the 250....I ride mostly interstate and the mountains on my days off..I was thinking somthing along the lines of what I already have...a sportbike with just a little bit more power but now too much for my experience level.do you commute on I-85 south in the mornings?

[wicked]

Well why do you feel the need to move up? Is it just the little extra power thing? I mean I think a lot has to do with your confidence in yourself what bike is going to be better for what you want to use it for. Does the thought of riding a newer 600ss make you nervous with the power different cause it will be pretty different. I think an SV650 I would me more along the lines or something you might be happy with but I would ride anything you can get your hands on.ever ridden a 250R on the interstate? :-)

[flygirl]

ever ridden a 250R on the interstate? :-)

thankyou sooooooooooooooo much ..you wouldnt believe how many people dont get this!!

[flygirl]

do you commute on I-85 south in the mornings?

no Im a flight attendant so I cant ride to work... but the bike is my main and only mode of transportation right now and I do alot of interstate riding...85 ,285 400 etc

[flygirl]

Well why do you feel the need to move up? Is it just the little extra power thing? I mean I think a lot has to do with your confidence in yourself what bike is going to be better for what you want to use it for. Does the thought of riding a newer 600ss make you nervous with the power different cause it will be pretty different. I think an SV650 I would me more along the lines or something you might be happy with but I would ride anything you can get your hands on.

I had a lot of confidence until I posted this exact same thread on another board and well lets just say it didnt turn out like I thought it would and one half saying one thing and the other half pming me the opposite...I did get some good suggestions though but mostly I think it almost confused me...Im not nervous with the power just on the other board they said so many bad things about it ...like I havent been riding long enough ,,,I just want to use my head when upgrading and not doing anything dumb ...I dont have the yrs of experience so I come to the boards for information...so in other words...I was thinking a bike that had more power but not a monster that would be beyond my level of riding experience...am I making sense?

[flygirl]

so ive come to the conclusion that I will try out some different bikes from those that have offered to see how I feel on them...I ll take an extra advanced riders course and maybe a couple track days...those were some of the suggestions given to me that I found to be useful...Im not in a huge rush...I want to make a fully informed decision when buying my next bike

[Todd]

Alicia, i know youre gonna think im just pimping Ed's school, but seriously consider taking it (take it on the 250 if you still have it when the time comes since thats the bike youre most comfy on). But, if you'll take the school (and no, its not JUST a race school), i think you'll learn ALOT of stuff you werent even aware of. You'll find out stuff that youve been doing wrong and learn to do it the right way. The way Ed explains things in his classroom lectures will make ALOT of the stuff you've often questioned make sense. Seriously, it'll be some of the best riding information you'll EVER get, and you'll wonder why you didnt do it sooner. We dont make you ride any faster than youre comfortable with, so dont go thinking you'll get in over your head, i promise you, we wont let that happen. :up:

[Nycool]

ROFLMAO being a member on the ther other board I understand. Look only you can figure out what you really want and like. You do a lot more interstate and you couldn't pay me enough to ride anything less than a 750 for daily interstate riding cause thats my personal preference. Maybe a Kawi 636 would be a good fit for you? I mean it does the highway great and mountains and trackdays really great also. The 650r I don't really like the looks but if you like it try to ride it. You have more miles than some of my customers with far larger bikes and you know your mentality when it comes to bikes. It is a respect thing and can't ride any bike that you are terrified of and be prepared for grandma pulling out in front of you. Go to every place you can and sit on everything you can and see if it feels comfortable.

[flygirl]

Alicia, i know youre gonna think im just pimping Ed's school, but seriously consider taking it (take it on the 250 if you still have it when the time comes since thats the bike youre most comfy on). But, if you'll take the school (and no, its not JUST a race school), i think you'll learn ALOT of stuff you werent even aware of. You'll find out stuff that youve been doing wrong and learn to do it the right way. The way Ed explains things in his classroom lectures will make ALOT of the stuff you've often questioned make sense. Seriously, it'll be some of the best riding information you'll EVER get, and you'll wonder why you didnt do it sooner. We dont make you ride any faster than youre comfortable with, so dont go thinking you'll get in over your head, i promise you, we wont let that happen. :up:

pm me the info on it please

[impalanar]

This is still what I recommend to everyone. :)

http://www.usway-road.com/images/2006_triumph_daytona675_side_web.jpg

[Todd]

This is still what I recommend to everyone. :)

http://www.usway-road.com/images/2006_triumph_daytona675_side_web.jpgthat would actually be an EXCELLENT choice. :up: With the down low grunt of a v-twin, but the top end speed of an inline 4 gives you the best of both worlds.

[flygirl]

ROFLMAO being a member on the ther other board I understand. Look only you can figure out what you really want and like. You do a lot more interstate and you couldn't pay me enough to ride anything less than a 750 for daily interstate riding cause thats my personal preference. Maybe a Kawi 636 would be a good fit for you? I mean it does the highway great and mountains and trackdays really great also. The 650r I don't really like the looks but if you like it try to ride it. You have more miles than some of my customers with far larger bikes and you know your mentality when it comes to bikes. It is a respect thing and can't ride any bike that you are terrified of and be prepared for grandma pulling out in front of you. Go to every place you can and sit on everything you can and see if it feels comfortable.

thank you I appreciate your input :)

[BlueLghtning]

ever ridden a 250R on the interstate? :-)

Yep, a bunch, and I weigh a heck of a lot more then flygirl does too. a 250 hauls my butt at 80 mph just fine.


thankyou sooooooooooooooo much ..you wouldnt believe how many people dont get this!!

Alecia, I'm not trying to knock you here, but the 250 will do 80mph just fine if you twist the throttle hard enough. Now granted bigger bikes get up to speed faster and aren't as close to their top end, but at your size and weight, you should have no trouble holding 80mph+ on the 250 all day long. Bigger bikes generally are more comfortable and tend to wear you out less, but the 250 sure can do it.

Heck 4 of us big goofy guys rode 250s 2500 miles to Arkansas and back. We spent so much of the time racing each other and laughing our butts off with the throttles pinned at times and not being able to pull away from each other.

I do really think a track day school would be the best on the 250 right now and probably should be your next step before you even think about a new bike. You will really learn a lot. Take Todd up on his offer for Bargey or go to an STT event. Either one will work and really help you leaps and bounds.

And definitely throw a leg over anyone's bike that will let you. Ride a Ninja 650r/SV650 with a twin. Ride an FZ6 or something with an I-4 to feel what its like. Go ride a BMW 650 like Sarah has and feel what an adventure bike feels like. You might change your mind with all the distance you cover and enjoy something a bit more comfy, but still sporty enough to have fun in the mountains. You'll be amazed at what all the different bikes feel like.

[Todd]

Yep, a bunch, and I weigh a heck of a lot more then flygirl does too. a 250 hauls my butt at 80 mph just fine.



Alecia, I'm not trying to knock you here, but the 250 will do 80mph just fine if you twist the throttle hard enough. Now granted bigger bikes get up to speed faster and aren't as close to their top end, but at your size and weight, you should have no trouble holding 80mph+ on the 250 all day long. Bigger bikes generally are more comfortable and tend to wear you out less, but the 250 sure can do it.

Heck 4 of us big goofy guys rode 250s 2500 miles to Arkansas and back. We spent so much of the time racing each other and laughing our butts off with the throttles pinned at times and not being able to pull away from each other.

I do really think a track day school would be the best on the 250 right now and probably should be your next step before you even think about a new bike. You will really learn a lot. Take Todd up on his offer for Bargey or go to an STT event. Either one will work and really help you leaps and bounds.

And definitely throw a leg over anyone's bike that will let you. Ride a Ninja 650r/SV650 with a twin. Ride an FZ6 or something with an I-4 to feel what its like. Go ride a BMW 650 like Sarah has and feel what an adventure bike feels like. You might change your mind with all the distance you cover and enjoy something a bit more comfy, but still sporty enough to have fun in the mountains. You'll be amazed at what all the different bikes feel like.:goodpost:

[Nycool]

Dan you know I have nothing but respect for you but some people don't LIKE having to always ring the neck of a 250 everywhere. When you are lighter and smaller it really isn't comfortable for long amounts of time at highway speed. I mean yes is it the awesome bike for the mountains, tracksdays, but not for everyday interstate riding for some people. I mean just cause it will do 80 doesn't mean it is enjoyable. Just a thought on that. I will say what Todd and Dan are talking about taking a trackday class would probably work wonders for you no matter what you end up with. I also have never ridden with flygirl so I don't know her riding style but it does seem she tries to ride when she can work/weather wise. Also Flygirl if you ever want to sit on the 636 let me know and I can bring it to my store or you can hop on it anytime Jordan is at the Roswell store with it.

[Lazarus]

Just buy a CBR and be done with it.

If you want to be a better street rider go to Laz's School of Street Riding. :D

[TarzanMan]

250's suck for riding at Atlanta highway speeds. If you don't believe me, then just try riding one out to Covington down I-20.

As for what to upgrade to? A lot of riders go to this class of bike after they have mastered their 250. No lie.
http://www.blogmotori.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/yamaha-m1-fiat.jpg

[BadAssRX-7]

well everybody has likes and dislikes about bikes. and Al the fiddy is a good cheap starter bike. and you have added seat time/skill/ riding ability to your person. so sure start looking around@ bikes a 600-650 is pleanty of bike for keeping a good pace on the roads and in the hills. See if you can take a few laps around a parking lot on a twin like the 650 ninja and then on a inline 4. and also grab some seat time and figure out what riding postion you like. I know that the yam.r6 has you sitting up high on the bike, you almost feel like your on top of the tank.... or i do on my friends 07r6, then try out a gsxr and a cbr and a zx6r now the 1 point i was kinda surprized that wasnt addressed was lookin at a sport touring rather than a sport/race. Like my 05 zzr600 its more or less a 00-02 zx6r minus less tha 10 ponys. but it has a better riding postion than the zx6r. so you would be in the vfr's honda ,gs or katanas or bandits or sv's suzuki, yzf600 yamaha, the zzr in kawi. you can lowwer the bike and if you dont do a huge drop you cant hardly tell a diffrence in the way the bike rides, respondes. Your more than welcome to get some seat time on my scooter if you want to try it on for size... just get your ass down here so we can pm yours and then we can go tooling about and you can check out the zzr for a good"test drive"

[wicked]

Alicia, i know youre gonna think im just pimping Ed's school, but seriously consider taking it (take it on the 250 if you still have it when the time comes since thats the bike youre most comfy on). But, if you'll take the school (and no, its not JUST a race school), i think you'll learn ALOT of stuff you werent even aware of. You'll find out stuff that youve been doing wrong and learn to do it the right way. The way Ed explains things in his classroom lectures will make ALOT of the stuff you've often questioned make sense. Seriously, it'll be some of the best riding information you'll EVER get, and you'll wonder why you didnt do it sooner. We dont make you ride any faster than youre comfortable with, so dont go thinking you'll get in over your head, i promise you, we wont let that happen. :up:+1

[Jared]

Buy whatever the hell flips your switch.

[wicked]

Yes I know for a fact and from experience that a 250 will carry you at 80 mph on a highway...but I wasn't talking about speed...I was talking primarily about stability. On a bike that small ou can easily be tossed around by the wind, by passing trucks or what have you. I'm coming off a liter bile and bought a zx-6r and it amazes me how much more easily this bike can be pushEd around. One of my riding buddy's wife has an 08 250r and I've ridden it on i85 and I can tell you that that isn't something I'd want to do on a daily basis...not to mention that to ride a 250 at highway speeds means keeping it reved and using the majority of the power it makes...buzzy buzzy hands...I can't imagine having to run a bike nearly WOT unless I'm on the track...

[wicked]

Buy whatever the hell flips your switch.
+1

[I.P. Freely]

I frankly don't see the desire for pure SS sport bikes on the street. They are really great bikes and handle amazingly well, but I just don't see the fun in the street. I'd rather have the extra comfort you get from bikes in the 650 category that are usually more comfortable, but still with great handling and lead themselves to be great all around bikes.

I'm not saying people shouldn't ride them, but I just don't see the point in owning such a refined machine when you can never stretch it legs on the street without breaking ever law out there and putting yourself and anyone around you in danger.+1

[chris]

Let's simplify this thread.

What Flygirl wants is a sub-100 hp bike that looks like a Ducati 848.

Discuss. :)

[eeeee]

i haven't read all of these pages but i know a guy who is selling basically a brand new (<2000 miles) Yamaha FZ6 with a full exhaust system and Power Commander. it would probably be a nice step up from the 250. let me know if you're interested.

[Eagalicious]

I started with Suzuki's new Sport Touring (GSXX650F) as my first bike. I am 4 months old and love it to death. She is an absolut dream to ride.
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/Eagalicious/GSX.jpg
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/Eagalicious/IMG_0021-1.jpg
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/Eagalicious/IMG_0020-1.jpg

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

I started with Suzuki's new Sport Touring (GSXX650F) as my first bike. I am 4 months old and love it to death. She is an absolut dream to ride.
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/Eagalicious/GSX.jpg
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/Eagalicious/IMG_0021-1.jpg
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/Eagalicious/IMG_0020-1.jpg

John, how many other bikes have you ridden (I'm only curious if you have a basis for comparison or not), and what are your thoughts on the weight and height of your bike? I only ask because the two ride reports I've read when the 650 first came out said that while it was a good all around bike, it was slightly heavy. I know Alicia's a smaller lady, that's the only reason I ask.

[eersfanpilot]

I started riding about 2 years ago also. I bought a 1974 Honda CB360 and then transitioned to this:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/jknightcfi/MountainRide1017.jpg

The transition was noticeable but at the same time I paid a lot of attention to the details of how I was riding, read a lot of pointers and watched videos, simply because of my vested interest in the bike. This has been my favorite bike since I was in high school. I think you will be fine no matter what size bike you go to as long as you take your time and do not ride above your ability. I am still taking it slow and steady on this. I work in Cartersville and Lawrenceville but live in Kennesaw. I do a lot of interstate riding so I like having the larger displacement and mid-range power. There are a lot of great older bikes out there too, 900rr, 929rr, the F4i, 1100xx, the YZF's...

Shop around, find something you take a personal interest in that fits you and your personality and you will be happy with whatever bike you buy.

[Georgiacbr]

I started riding about 2 years ago also. I bought a 1974 Honda CB360 and then transitioned to this:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/jknightcfi/MountainRide1017.jpg

The transition was noticeable but at the same time I paid a lot of attention to the details of how I was riding, read a lot of pointers and watched videos, simply because of my vested interest in the bike. This has been my favorite bike since I was in high school. I think you will be fine no matter what size bike you go to as long as you take your time and do not ride above your ability. I am still taking it slow and steady on this. I work in Cartersville and Lawrenceville but live in Kennesaw. I do a lot of interstate riding so I like having the larger displacement and mid-range power. There are a lot of great older bikes out there too, 900rr, 929rr, the F4i, 1100xx, the YZF's...

Shop around, find something you take a personal interest in that fits you and your personality and you will be happy with whatever bike you buy.

I like the color of your bike and hey that picture was taken on the Mountain ride you and me did a wile back (LOL).

[BadAssRX-7]

yea you need a 996! i rember when a buddie got his i snagged the key and ran it around the "big" block i loved the fact that i romped on it really good from a stoped right turn and pulled it up in 1st click click and set it down hualin ass in my hood. loved the low end grunt a twins got. he ended up spinning some bearings cus it was always on 1 wheel.

[eersfanpilot]

I like the color of your bike and hey that picture was taken on the Mountain ride you and me did a wile back (LOL).

You are correct sir! What's been going on? It's been a while since I caught up with you.

[nhs]

One of your major considerations will probably be ergonomics/comfort. The Ninja 650R "feels" much like your 250 - with a fairly upright seating position. It obviously has a lot more power, and handles brilliantly IMHO (was my first bike). The only reason to get a 600 I4 (which was my second bike) is if you prefer the more aggressive look/ergonomics and want a bike that takes off in the higher RPM range (vs. delivers lots of low end torque like a Ninja 650R). The Ninja is infinitely more comfy than my current 600 - I've got a Yamaha R6S - arguably the most comfortable current production 600cc sport bike - with clip-ons level with the triple clamp (vs. below it for other current bikes). The only other 600cc I considered was a Honda CBR600 F4i - an out of production model but one with very comfy ergonomics too. Ultimately I found a new '07 R6S for just slightly more than I'd have paid for a used F4i, so the R6S won.

Here's what I'd pick in your shoes:

1. If I wanted something comfy, sporty-looking with plenty of torque in the low to mid RPM range: Kawasaki Ninja 650R (it won't run out of breath on interstates)

2. If I wanted something sporty-looking, with low end torque and more aggressive 600cc-like ergnomics: Suzuki SV650 (fully faired)

3. If I wanted something smooth, unusual-looking with a bit more power than the above two: BMW F800S (probably w/o ABS - too many issues); pick the ST if you want 650R-like ergonomics.

4. If I wanted a comfy (relatively speaking) 600c supersport: Honda CBR F4i or Yamaha R6S

5. If ergonomics was no issue and I wanted a high revving 600cc: Yamaha R6, Honda CBR600RR (probably with ABS) or Kawasaki ZX-6. I suppose you could pick up a Gixxer as well.

Oh, and I'd avoid a 500cc altogether - the power improvement will be marginal, and the bikes aren't aesthetically pleasing IMHO.

[invader]

One of your major considerations will probably be ergonomics/comfort. The Ninja 650R "feels" much like your 250 - with a fairly upright seating position. It obviously has a lot more power, and handles brilliantly IMHO (was my first bike). The only reason to get a 600 I4 (which was my second bike) is if you prefer the more aggressive look/ergonomics and want a bike that takes off in the higher RPM range (vs. delivers lots of low end torque like a Ninja 650R). The Ninja is infinitely more comfy than my current 600 - I've got a Yamaha R6S - arguably the most comfortable current production 600cc sport bike - with clip-ons level with the triple clamp (vs. below it for other current bikes). The only other 600cc I considered was a Honda CBR600 F4i - an out of production model but one with very comfy ergonomics too. Ultimately I found a new '07 R6S for just slightly more than I'd have paid for a used F4i, so the R6S won.

Here's what I'd pick in your shoes:

1. If I wanted something comfy, sporty-looking with plenty of torque in the low to mid RPM range: Kawasaki Ninja 650R (it won't run out of breath on interstates)

2. If I wanted something sporty-looking, with low end torque and more aggressive 600cc-like ergnomics: Suzuki SV650 (fully faired)

3. If I wanted something smooth, unusual-looking with a bit more power than the above two: BMW F800S (probably w/o ABS - too many issues); pick the ST if you want 650R-like ergonomics.

4. If I wanted a comfy (relatively speaking) 600c supersport: Honda CBR F4i or Yamaha R6S

5. If ergonomics was no issue and I wanted a high revving 600cc: Yamaha R6, Honda CBR600RR (probably with ABS) or Kawasaki ZX-6. I suppose you could pick up a Gixxer as well.

Oh, and I'd avoid a 500cc altogether - the power improvement will be marginal, and the bikes aren't aesthetically pleasing IMHO.

+1 on the 650R and the SV. Both are comfortable, and have enough power and weight to be a more stable highway ride. The new suz 650 is also a very comfortable bike, originating from the GS500F and katana (the GS500F is also a stable option, and can be had for nary a song).

The FZ6 is incredibly comfortable also, and has enough weight/power to make it an enjoyable rider too.

Some pricing ideas:

91124 2005 GS500 RED/BLK 10254 $3,260
91086 2006 GS500 BLU/WHT 2061 $3,460
90930 1989 GS500 WHT 20884 $2,250
91270 2005 GS500 SLV/BLK 1132 $3,260
91375 2008 GS500 BLU/WHT 1734 $3,860
91517 2005 GS500 BLK/SIL 11048 $3,260
91694 2006 GS500 BLU/WHT 5751 $3,460
95002 2007 GS500 BLK/SLV 668 $3,570

95410 2008 GSX650F BLK/SLV 5068 $4,970

95414 2002 SV650 SLV 2195 $3,970
95321 2007 SV650S BUR 1906 $4,260

95395 2008 VFR800 GRY 1871 $8,670
95303 2004 VFR800 RED 8446 $6,170
95360 2006 VFR800A WHT 4095 $7,960

91518 2005 FZ6 BLU 6190 $3,860
95420 2006 FZ6 RED 7252 $4,360

The 500 ninja is still a little squirrely on the hwy due to weight and narrow tires.

GS500F
http://www.suzuki-bikes.com/images/2004GS500F.jpg
plus
Katana
http://www.aisha.co.jp/bikes/SUZUKI_KATANA.jpg
plus a little GSXR-600
http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/suzuki-gsx-r-600-e-1000-replica-tourist-trophy-2008/Suzuki_GSXR_600_Replica_TT_1.jpg
equals
GSX650
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200707/2008-suzuki-gsx-650-_460x0w.jpg

[eersfanpilot]

Katana
http://www.aisha.co.jp/bikes/SUZUKI_KATANA.jpg

Yuck! Not a fan of the Katana.

I forgot to throw in the VFR's up in my post I am glad invader threw those out for consideration. Great bikes!

[invader]

Yuck! Not a fan of the Katana.

I forgot to throw in the VFR's up in my post I am glad invader threw those out for consideration. Great bikes!

Yup, I agree the kanOtuna isn't a great choice, but it helped the evolution of the GS line into the new GSX650F. Can't really count out its impact in the smaller bike livery. I wasn't recommending it, just pointing out its assistance in Suz producing a very capable bike from 2 moderate performers. Ain't technology grand.

[Eagalicious]

John, how many other bikes have you ridden (I'm only curious if you have a basis for comparison or not), and what are your thoughts on the weight and height of your bike? I only ask because the two ride reports I've read when the 650 first came out said that while it was a good all around bike, it was slightly heavy. I know Alicia's a smaller lady, that's the only reason I ask.

I am a brand new rider. I am only 5 months old now and this is my very first bike. I am 5'9" and I sit on her with knees bent and both feet flat. As far as weight, if she falls over, which I had done twice the first week, you can't just bend over and pick her up like a crotch rocket. You need to put your butt in the seat and grab both ends and lift with your legs. Other than that, the riding position is more upright and comfortable for me that a crotch rocket, so I don't really notice the weight at all. Maybe we could get together sometime and she could ride it and see. :)

[wicked]

the CBR600 F4i is actually a really good suggestion...lives somewhere in between the 650 twin and the 600 supersport classes

[Brooke]

I was in a similar situation last summer when deciding on my second bike after the wreck. I had over 12,000 miles on my first little ninja and was getting increasingly frustrated with the inability to pass anything at highway speeds.

The SV seemed like the perfect bike. And it is really the perfect "step up." But for me, the riding position was too upright for what I prefer. I just couldn't feel comfortable on an SV when I road one. I'd encourage you to get out and test drive an SV to see if could be a bike for you (or not).

I was also interested in a CBR 600 and GSXR 600. The riding position felt great on the CBR felt great and the GSXR had a nice low seat height.

But ...

When I factored money into the equation I ended up getting another 2009 Ninja 250. I rewarded myself with an exhaust and Huey re-jetted the little ninja. Insurance was going to be triple the cost and purchase price is also triple the cost of the ninjette.

So, that is where I am at now. I am still frustrated when riding in a group - there will be times when people will pass a slow car and I can't keep up because I don't have that type of acceleration. I certainly don't regret my decision to get another 250, but I think if I had more cash on hand I would have made a different decision.

[flygirl]

this thread had become very informative and with pictures too...thanks everyone for all your input...

[flygirl]

I was in a similar situation last summer when deciding on my second bike after the wreck. I had over 12,000 miles on my first little ninja and was getting increasingly frustrated with the inability to pass anything at highway speeds.

The SV seemed like the perfect bike. And it is really the perfect "step up." But for me, the riding position was too upright for what I prefer. I just couldn't feel comfortable on an SV when I road one. I'd encourage you to get out and test drive an SV to see if could be a bike for you (or not).

I was also interested in a CBR 600 and GSXR 600. The riding position felt great on the CBR felt great and the GSXR had a nice low seat height.

But ...

When I factored money into the equation I ended up getting another 2009 Ninja 250. I rewarded myself with an exhaust and Huey re-jetted the little ninja. Insurance was going to be triple the cost and purchase price is also triple the cost of the ninjette.

So, that is where I am at now. I am still frustrated when riding in a group - there will be times when people will pass a slow car and I can't keep up because I don't have that type of acceleration. I certainly don't regret my decision to get another 250, but I think if I had more cash on hand I would have made a different decision.

thanks for posting brooke ..yea I dont like the upright positon on bikes either...I only sat on one so far like that and I was not comfortable at all...are you coming on the womens ride on the 24th?

[flygirl]

I am a brand new rider. I am only 5 months old now and this is my very first bike. I am 5'9" and I sit on her with knees bent and both feet flat. As far as weight, if she falls over, which I had done twice the first week, you can't just bend over and pick her up like a crotch rocket. You need to put your butt in the seat and grab both ends and lift with your legs. Other than that, the riding position is more upright and comfortable for me that a crotch rocket, so I don't really notice the weight at all. Maybe we could get together sometime and she could ride it and see. :)


I looked at the picture of your bike and it doesnt look like you would be sitting upright too much? hmmm

[flygirl]

oh and bluelightning in case your reading this ...im planning on taking the advanced riders course on the 23rd with bond girl ;)


just getting my info now for when Im ready to purchase in the future I will know what to get :)

[BlueLghtning]

oh and bluelightning in case your reading this ...im planning on taking the advanced riders course on the 23rd with bond girl ;)


just getting my info now for when Im ready to purchase in the future I will know what to get :)

:lol: I was trying to stay out of this thread.

[flygirl]

:lol: I was trying to stay out of this thread.

hahahahhahah dont worry Im not buying it tomorrow ...LOL...Im glad you guys care...{hugs}

[eersfanpilot]

Yup, I agree the kanOtuna isn't a great choice, but it helped the evolution of the GS line into the new GSX650F. Can't really count out its impact in the smaller bike livery. I wasn't recommending it, just pointing out its assistance in Suz producing a very capable bike from 2 moderate performers. Ain't technology grand.

Oh I agree with you on it's contributions and was only speaking in terms of its style and look. It almost seems to me that they mismatched the front design with the tail. It looks round and bubbly in the front, I do not think that matches the tail.

[eersfanpilot]

the CBR600 F4i is actually a really good suggestion...lives somewhere in between the 650 twin and the 600 supersport classes

Wicked, did they ever make the F4i in the Smokin Joes scheme? That was always my favorite scheme of the F2 and F3. I am probably in a very small group of people who actually liked that scheme but I always thought it was sharp.

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/members/images/CoryMorgartSmokinJoe.jpg

[BadAssRX-7]

Wicked, did they ever make the F4i in the Smokin Joes scheme? That was always my favorite scheme of the F2 and F3. I am probably in a very small group of people who actually liked that scheme but I always thought it was sharp.

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/members/images/CoryMorgartSmokinJoe.jpg

back when i couldnt aford a bike i was swo into the smokin joes i love the layout. then when i could afford a bike they were all beat to hell and old if it was a joe and 4 sale

[wicked]

Wicked, did they ever make the F4i in the Smokin Joes scheme? That was always my favorite scheme of the F2 and F3. I am probably in a very small group of people who actually liked that scheme but I always thought it was sharp.


doubtful...i think the f4i came after the whole 'no more advertising tobacco products' thing

[Eagalicious]

I looked at the picture of your bike and it doesnt look like you would be sitting upright too much? hmmm

I do lean a little forward. I don't sit straight up or back like a cruiser at all. If you show up at the race or this charity ride we are having for a Firefighter, I would be more than happy to let you check her out :)

[flygirl]

I do lean a little forward. I don't sit straight up or back like a cruiser at all. If you show up at the race or this charity ride we are having for a Firefighter, I would be more than happy to let you check her out :)

what race? and when is the charity ride?

[TroyBoy30]

Wicked, did they ever make the F4i in the Smokin Joes scheme? That was always my favorite scheme of the F2 and F3. I am probably in a very small group of people who actually liked that scheme but I always thought it was sharp.

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/members/images/CoryMorgartSmokinJoe.jpg

this was my 1st bike

http://www.bikez.biz/pictures/1995/32736/photo.jpg

[eersfanpilot]

this was my 1st bike

http://www.bikez.biz/pictures/1995/32736/photo.jpg

Good looking bike man. I have never ridden an F3 or F4 but from their reputation they are always highly regarded. Seem like great bikes.

[Eagalicious]

what race? and when is the charity ride?

The Road Atlanta race this weekend. Sorry I missed your post reply. The charity ride is over and it was a hoot. 80 miles around Forsyth and we road by every Fire Station there :) As far as the Road Atlanta Superbike race this weekend I will attending Sunday if not Saturday too.