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    the folks involved in this event, who dont even know you exist, likely dont give a damn that you dont give a damn.....:-)

    I suppose the World Series doesnt exist either since its only American teams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KTM Rider View Post
    the folks involved in this event, who dont even know you exist, likely dont give a damn that you dont give a damn.....:-)

    I suppose the World Series doesnt exist either since its only American teams?
    Is it the 24 Hours of LeMans if they run it at Watkins Glen?

    Is it the Baja 1000 if they run it in Dubai?

    Is it the Daytona 500 if they run it at Twin Ring Motegi?

    Calling a race in South America the Dakar is frakkin silly. Move the race, change the damn name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan43 View Post
    Is it the 24 Hours of LeMans if they run it at Watkins Glen?

    Is it the Baja 1000 if they run it in Dubai?

    Is it the Daytona 500 if they run it at Twin Ring Motegi?

    Calling a race in South America the Dakar is frakkin silly. Move the race, change the damn name.
    With LeMans and Daytona, I'd agree with you, but those types of motorsport are far more mainstream and people would still follow it. However, you could move Baja to Arizona or Nevada and still call it the Baja 1000, because people associate that name more with a type of race than a place. Baja is flat-out desert racing, Dakar is a much longer, more varied terrain race. I agree with Frank, I doubt they care what you think and I'd say that probably 95% of the rest of the world couldn't care less if they continued to use the Dakar name. Heck, for much of the world, if you said "Dakar" most people would think of the race and not "Oh, you mean that town in Senegal..." most wouldn't even know Senegal was a country!

    For what it's worth, I think they have dropped the Paris from it, since it's no longer a Paris to Dakar race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliff0529 View Post
    However, you could move Baja to Arizona or Nevada and still call it the Baja 1000, because people associate that name more with a type of race than a place.
    Calling a race in Arizona or Nevada the Baja 1000 does not in fact make that race the Baja 1000. You can only have a Baja 1000 if you run the race in Baja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan43 View Post
    Calling a race in Arizona or Nevada the Baja 1000 does not in fact make that race the Baja 1000. You can only have a Baja 1000 if you run the race in Baja.
    Says you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliff0529 View Post
    Says you.
    Says common sense.
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    In principle, he's right. However, that excludes the owner's of the race being able to call it whatever they want so long as they have the rights to the name. If Nintendo were cool with it, and for free advertising I'm sure they would be, they could call it Mario Kart. At the end of the day though what does it really matter?
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    The Dakar Rally is what it is not because of a geographical location involved in its conception but instead because of what has been over the years. That is what the race is about and regardless of where it is raced, that is what it will always be and therefore why it will be called the Dakar Rally.

    The reason the same thing cannot be applied to Le Mans or Indy is because those races have been solely about the tracks....like the 'ring in Germany. Even when the Dakar Rally actually touched Dakar, the course itself was dynamic from year to year and wasnt about either Paris or Dakar.
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    It really hasn't been the Paris to Dakar rally for awhile -- look up some history on the routes:

    Complete list of routes
    1979–1980: Paris–Dakar
    1981–1988: Paris–Algiers–Dakar
    1989: Paris–Tunis–Dakar
    1990–1991: Paris–Tripoli–Dakar
    1992: Paris–Cape Town
    1993: Paris–Dakar
    1994: Paris–Dakar–Paris
    1995–1996: Granada–Dakar
    1997: Dakar–Agadez–Dakar
    1998: Paris–Granada–Dakar
    1999: Granada–Dakar
    2000: Dakar–Cairo
    2001: Paris–Dakar
    2002: Arras–Madrid–Dakar
    2003: Marseille–Sharm el-Sheikh
    2004: Clermont-Ferrand–Dakar
    2005: Barcelona–Dakar
    2006–2008: Lisbon–Dakar[4]
    2009: Buenos Aires–Valparaíso–Buenos Aires[5]
    2010: Buenos Aires–Antofagasta–Buenos Aires[6]
    2011: Buenos Aires–Arica–Buenos Aires[7]
    2012: Mar del Plata–Copiapó–Lima

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbeck257 View Post
    It really hasn't been the Paris to Dakar rally for awhile -- look up some history on the routes:

    Complete list of routes
    1979–1980: Paris–Dakar
    1981–1988: Paris–Algiers–Dakar
    1989: Paris–Tunis–Dakar
    1990–1991: Paris–Tripoli–Dakar
    1992: Paris–Cape Town
    1993: Paris–Dakar
    1994: Paris–Dakar–Paris
    1995–1996: Granada–Dakar
    1997: Dakar–Agadez–Dakar
    1998: Paris–Granada–Dakar
    1999: Granada–Dakar
    2000: Dakar–Cairo
    2001: Paris–Dakar
    2002: Arras–Madrid–Dakar
    2003: Marseille–Sharm el-Sheikh
    2004: Clermont-Ferrand–Dakar
    2005: Barcelona–Dakar
    2006–2008: Lisbon–Dakar[4]
    2009: Buenos Aires–Valparaíso–Buenos Aires[5]
    2010: Buenos Aires–Antofagasta–Buenos Aires[6]
    2011: Buenos Aires–Arica–Buenos Aires[7]
    2012: Mar del Plata–Copiapó–Lima
    So with the exception of 1992 and 2003 the Rally route included Dakar for 30 FREAKING YEARS. And even in 1992 and 2003 it was in Africa. How does the location for 30 FREAKIN YEARS have no bearing on the Rally?
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